Ambassador killed -- something tells me there is more to it

[solace]

Anyone remember the "were gonna blow up Saudi/US/Israeli diplomats/consulates with help from Mexican drug runner" plot blamed on Iran?
Who makes up this stuff?

Hey, maybe Iran made the movie. After all, now Obama can be a big hero before the election by blowing up the AL-Queda guys who are the REAL culprits in Libya instead of blowing up Iran. Everybody wins!

[justdrew]

[compared2what?]

Started to do state business registry searches and quickly discovered the internet got there first.

From Daily Kos:

Tracing the Sam Bacile Network

Steve A. Klein lives in the interior southern California region of Hemet/San Jacinto He is associated with an small insurance agency, Wise and a contracting firm "Heritage Ranch"
http://wisehomeinsurance.com/
Klein describes himself:

I am a born-again Christian – in history Cromwell and George Washington are my heroes. I look at life as ceaseless spiritual warfare ending only in a noble death for King Jesus – and I conduct myself as if it is spiritual warfare, using the skills of the USMC to resist evil with good.

... With 9/11 2001 I immersed myself with Islam in America – went to every major Mosque in SoCal with Arabic-speaking Christians as translators and uncovered useful information about many Mosques being the head quarters of terrorism in America.

... Contracted with USMC, IMEF – to teach Marines Arabic and Islamic Philosophy – fired by the USMC as I taught the TRUTH about Mohammed and how Muslim soldiers and leaders follow his murderous example. I was paid $500 an hour and was told by the IMEF operations officer, “Mr. Klein, you may be correct about Mohammed, but I have been commanded by the Pentagon that I must be PC … and PC I will be. I politely told the Colonel that I would not comply and was fired.

Klein's Facebook most frequently promotes a site http://www.atvsat.com/... This is a evangelical Islam>Christian conversion platform. Klein hosts a video podcast out of the site called "Wake Up America" http://www.atvsat.com/...

Klein associates with James E. Horn to distribute flyers at Temecula/Murietta High Schools protesting Islam. See news articles , and (more importantly) the massive comments by Horn and Klein on these the agit-prop events. Klein's archive comments are http://temecula.patch.com/...

The Murrieta leafleting news reporting archives the leaflet handed out. This is useful for additional links and sources. http://murrieta.patch.com/... see the pdf file.

The leaflet (and the Altar or Abolish) website make the child marriage of Mohammed a central issue. This parrallels the video.

Horn and Klein also agitated on a mosque in Temecula with much additional reporting and letters to the editor.

Horn has published several books. He claims to be CIA officer from Vietnam-era Cambodia. He maintains websites http://www.dididawdawdidi.com/ http://experiencingislam.com/ http://www.jamesehorn.com Horn links to the virulently anti-Muslim website http://www.godsaveusa.com

Klein is also an author "Is-Islam-Compatible-with-the-Constitution" Google books has excerpts and the whole text is at http://www.scribd.com/...

Klein's Altar or Abolish page has screed's against a host of enemies:
LA sheriff Lee Baca, Grover Norquist ??

Max Blumenthal has a blog post that recapitulates much of this information, and expands it by placing Klein as an armed trainer at a Sequoia area Christian militia camp.
http://maxblumenthal.com/...

Much of Blumenthal's information was sourced from this SPLC report on the Kaweah Christian compound. http://www.splcenter.org/...

The local Hemet press is now reporting on Klein. They add the information that Klein was a 2002 candidate for California Insurance Commissioner with American Independent Party backing. http://www.pe.com/...

The charity Klein was associated with "Courageous Christian United" has IRS form 990's on Guidestar for 2002, 2003 (when Klein was "CEO") and 2009 (when he is secretary). The current president is Rob Sivulka from W. Jordan Utah. Sivulka was paid 22,855 in 2009. Sivulka maintains a facebook page (updated to include the Blumenthal blob article). The 2009 board has other Sivulka family members. Other names include Brett Kunkle from Newport Beach Ca -- the only other holdover (with Klein) from the 2003 board. https://www.facebook.com/...

The current iteration of CCU is virulently anti-Mormon.

Lots of other links and info here.

Much appreciated by me.
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Makes no clear coherent sense wrt agency, though.

I retract all earlier assessments, except about the spin and analysis. I know nothing.

[TheDuke]

I am a born-again Christian – in history Cromwell and George Washington are my heroes.

One of the great mass murderers as his hero.

[Nordic]

So .... are we just supposed to accept on face value that the attacks in Libya came about as a result of this stupid "movie?"

I mean, that's what we're being fed by the media and our government, and everybody seems to just be accepting that, but ..... does anybody know?

I'm having a hard time buying it. For chrissakes it was on 9/11, nothing like a remembrance of that fucking day to get pissed off at the U.S., right?

Seems to just reinforce the meme that "the crazy Muslim ragheads are a bunch of lunatics who deserve to be blown up with drones."

[lupercal]

hmm.. a friendly Cal connection, meaning he's not full of righteous wrath, so he was likely inconvenient in some way to WAR Inc., which is getting impatient waiting for its next ME bonanza. Soft power has its charms but where's profit in it? If bombs aren't a-falling the triple digit returns on investment aren't a-rolling in, and the next thing you know there'll be climate change legislation. So Bibi isn't the only one with a hand in this though he's an obvious beneficiary.

Klein on the other hand is probably a very casual participant and his idiotic vid doubtless remains unknown to 99.99% of Muslims including the ones hired to protest in Egypt. In Libya I noticed they didn't even bother -- no crowds nowhere, fake or otherwise. I have yet to see a night photo with more than three clean cut special-forces types running around but then it's still early.

Anyway simultaneous attacks + "al Qaeda" (tidy photos of AQ planting its flag in Libya) + brutalization of the corpse = the usual suspects and that doesn't include Obama, Ahmadinejad or Hillary, though the local tea party crowd will probably find a way to pin it on them just like they're "sposed" to.

[8bitagent]

[gnosticheresy_2]

(2:40:22 PM) vile_rat: FUCK
(2:40:24 PM) vile_rat: gunfire

[bks]

c2w? wrote:
I'm getting surer with every passing minute that the eight-ton gorilla nobody's mentioning is Hillary's husband, what's-his-name, looking to avenge his lost legacy as the Roadmapper of Middle East Peace. On behalf of the stakeholders he assembled back when that enterprise hadn't yet fallen through, whoever they are.

It's always hard to remember who and what he is, for some reason. He's so damn charming.

c2w? wrote:

Makes no clear coherent sense wrt agency, though.

I retract all earlier assessments, except about the spin and analysis. I know nothing.

Retraction noted. But help a brother out: even though you've distanced yourself from your earlier comments about Mr. Gorilla, care to explain why they made sense to you in the first place? His lost legacy on this front is lost, buried under 13 years of historical debris that makes Camp David seem like it happened in another millenium (heh). The "Roadmap" was a Bush administration undertaking. So I don't follow.

[compared2what?]

^^

It's kind of a long story. But I guess the short version would be: I think he has an ongoing interest in the region for real but kinda abstruse reasons unrelated to instant events. And I also think he's that kind of power-crazy. Personally competing to rule large parts of the world as its chief executive. That type of thing.

Wild speculation, basically. Very wild. Of a kind that really can't be much more than very loosely right, at best, ever. It more or less amounts to saying: I suspect he's up to unknown tricks for profit with some billionaires in all the usual places.

[bks]

thx for reply

[dbcooper41]

this just got kinda weird in my opinion.
i think this links the OP to the WTC, TWA-800, and the nyc FBI mobsters.
try and follow this and feel free to offer me a reality check.

i apologize for only providing links but these are mostly pdf files and i can't post them directly. if anyone can post them please do but they are worth reading.

ok, nakoula basseley nakoula signed an agreement with the us government.
his attornety was James D Henderson Sr.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/105762440/USA-v-Nakoula-Basseley-Nakoula-Judgment-and-Commitment

here's Henderson's web page.
http://www.jdhlawgroup.com/LawOfficesJamesDHendersonSr.html

so, james d henderson sr is a former head of a "strike force" where he made a rep fighting organized crime.
he was also accused by some of being soft on the mob. a long drawn out lawsuit resulted.
http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F2/972/1511/177233/

these charges were primarily based on allegations by one Gerald Van Hoorelbeke, aka Vann, who worked as a federal informant. this goes back to the reagan years.
eventually it was ruled that van hoorelbeke was not telling the truth about henderson.
http://articles.latimes.com/1985-04-06/news/mn-18319_1_strike-force

now Gerald Van Hoorelbeke's story is where it gets very "spooky".
he apparently was a jail house friend with Ramsey Yousef and supposedly sent Louis Freeh information on 2/15/2001 stating
"...soon "Bin Laden" will use your own planes as bombs to take down the W.T.C.".
http://www.forensic-intelligence.org/GVHLFScarpa.pdf

he also supposedly provided this information to James Kallstron and Pat white from the FBI as well as Patrick Fitzgerald, and Mary Jo White.
http://forensic-intelligence.org/911CommRel.pdf

now to me "forensic-intelligence.org seems a bit fishy but....

finally, here's a google book link that provides more insight into mr van hoorelbeke's story.
http://books.google.com/books?id=8jH_ypCfwSAC&pg=PA294&lpg=PA294&dq=Gerald+Van+Hoorelbeke&source=bl&ots=CmFhmWH9nv&sig=68lOvpMsWPPOsZh1m7opzJ2mf5o&hl=en#v=onepage&q=Gerald%20Van%20Hoorelbeke&f=false

so wtf?

[hava007]

emmm....a reactionary coptic egyptian expat from the USA....kind of rings a bell

[seemslikeadream]

Libya Makes Arrests After Benghazi Attack

By MARGARET COKER

BENGHAZI—Four people have been arrested in connection with the attack against the American consulate here that resulted in the death of the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other Americans, a Libyan official involved with the manhunt for the militants said.

Libyan security sources have a larger group of people under surveillance, the official said,

The Libyans have organized a multiagency task force, combining all available resources to hunt down the suspected Islamic militants, including intelligence, defense and interior officials, said the official. He declined to say how many suspects that the Libyans were watching, citing sensitivities of the continuing investigation.

"There is a group now that is under our custody, but there is a group we're following to know who's connected to them, and they are monitoring their phone calls," the official said.

There is no discernible ramp up of security across the streets of Benghazi in the aftermath of the attacks on the Americans that elevated tensions across the Middle East and raised concerns about how well the U.S. can protect its diplomats around the world.

There are no security checkpoints at major intersections or in front of the burned-out consulate complex. At the downtown hotel where many foreign institutions house their staff, a Libyan army tank stood outside the front door.

[IanEye]

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