David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

[Mason I Bilderberg]

oh for fuck's sake.

who among us are the mind controlled, thought stopped? it's really really really obvious what the answer is at this point, so I'm out. I tried.
No dialog to be had, just an endless game of chase the goal posts.

The thought stopping techniques- for example "He/she linked to somebody who linked to James Randi so obviously the arguments are not worthy of any consideration" are self-induced and/or shared means of avoiding the substance of the argument.

Never entertaining substantive critique is definitely a technique used by the Moonies- this does not mean that everyone here is a glassy-eyed Moonie- but it does suggest that there is a serious problem in David Icke Land.

The key problem is avoiding the substance of the argument.

Scientologists use thought stopping phrases like "suppressive." Many cults do this - they create their own world of phrases and acronyms. Not only does it help enhance group identity, it also keeps the people from thinking outside the box.

[American Dream]

I agree that there is evidence of pedophilia in high places but what's the best evidence for organized blood-drinking and human sacrifice in very elite circles? I know we can document femicides around Northern Mexico and Southwestern Canada but I don't think we can prove that prime ministers and industrialists are responsible...

The exigencies of modern life may have changed aspects of human sacrifice, but there are certain deaths which seem suspiciously caused and timed. Actual hard evidence for the non-metaphorical ritual behavior of the killers is lacking, I'd agree.

WRT blood drinking, I think there's some evidence. You can frame it anyway you'd like, in terms of youthful exuberance, "fake" blood, or whatever, but...

AMY GOODMAN: Alexandra Robbins, our guest, "Secrets of the Tomb" is her book. What about the induction ritual.

ALEXANDRA ROBBINS: That's a weird one. It's sort of a cross between Harry Potter novel and a haunted house. The heart of the initiation is a ceremony that takes place in Skull and Bones' most secret room which now we know is probably called -- well, you would think it probably is, I can tell that you it definitely is called room 322. It's also called the Inner Temple. I did get a hold of the script for initiation. I lay that out in my book. But to give you a little teaser, there is somebody dressed as the devil, somebody dressed as Don Quixote, somebody who is dressed as a pope who has one foot sheathed in a monogrammed white slipper resting on a skull, and the other knights are dress as alumni or patriarchs. In part of that ceremony, the neophytes must kiss the pope's foot, drink quote, unquote, blood from the eurich, which is a skull container and the initiation ends when the initiator is shoved to his knees in front of Don Quixote as the shrieking crowd falls silence and Quixote taps the junior on the shoulder with a sword and he says, "By order of our order, I dub you the knight of Eulogia."

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0122-10.htm

And, you know... I'm not trying to support Icke's mythology with this information. I'm just sitting here not ignoring the fact that we basically know that at least two presidents and numerous elite men within US society eagerly drank blood from a human skull as mature adults.

Excellent point about Skull and Bones, though I know nothing about what "quote unquote blood" is- would like to know...

I think this gets at Icke's greatest strength- and worst weakness. He takes it all- the good, the bad and the ugly- and mixes well, without much discrimination.

Might taste good if you swallow quickly but the aftertaste can smack of something toxic...

[Searcher08]

Do you really think that anyone seriously entertains literal reptilian shapeshifters as a reasoning for the existence of this board?

"as a reasoning for the existence of this board"?

I don't think i claimed this board was created my human-alien hybrid believers. I do wonder if anybody in this thread believes in the existence of human-alien hybrids. Big difference.

You should become a psychic. You have this uncanny knack of deriving lots of false impressions from little or no information. What else do you see in your magic gutter?

Let's see smugness indicator 9.8, patronising reading 8.9 Sneer-o-meter 9.9

Yep, we have a authentic pseudoskeptic, second class

[Mason I Bilderberg]

Fuck this guy, MIB. He can get lost as far as I am concerned. His name is stupid, his website is incurious and he's a dick. Fuck him and ban him. Also, fuck David Icke. I don't get a bit of it. I don't buy it but can see fascination and relate to the fascinating subject he seems to espouse. I've seen enough David Lynch and read enough Philip K. Dick and also a disciple of Sagan's Demon Haunted World to say to MIB is a fool. I hope he sticks around though actually. There's nothing more fun than dealing with a humorless cocksucker on the many meta levels he senses he has the grip on and misses the entire forest. Let's see if he can chill out and converse as opposed to his extra special abilities of being perfect. I very much doubt it. I look forward to being proven wrong.

I take it you don't believe alien-human hybrids exist?

I take it you cannot answer the issues I raised?
Pseudoskeptics DO seem to run away from anything that looks at shining a light on their assumptions and beliefs.

"Pseudoskeptic" is just name calling. People generalize to simplify the world around them - it makes the world easier for them to understand.

I don't recall what issue you raised. Did it have to do with Icke?

[Mason I Bilderberg]

Human sacrifice is certainly a part of history, but in the context of Icke, he asserts presidents and people in positions of power are currently engaging in human sacrifices and blood drinking (not to mention pedophilia). This is an example of Icke's masterful ability to interweave plausible with crazy.

This is actually your engaging in a really (frankly rather shite) interweaving, mocking 'presidential pedophilia' in the same breath as human sacrifices.

I raised the issue of whether you had read Nick Bryant's account of the Franklin Scandal, but again all I got was tumbleweeds. What a surprise!

I imagine that you will start wailing about 'ad hominem attacks' if I point out this hypocracy, so I wont bring that up.

My point was, Icke has some crazy assertions that his faithful refuse to address. If you're an Icke faithful, do you believe in alien-human hybrids?

Everything else is a distraction.

[Searcher08]

who among us are the mind controlled, thought stopped? it's really really really obvious what the answer is at this point, so I'm out.

I can see it in a few places. For example, throwing out the phrase "pseudoskeptic" can be considered a thought terminating phrase. Saying "pseudoskeptic" serves as a substitute for a real exchange of ideas - it's conclusive, not requiring further thought.

The word 'pseudskeptic was actually created as I mentioned earlier by one of the people who founded CSICOP. It describes what you do very very accurately.


They tend to block honest inquiry, in my opinion. Most of them are not agnostic toward claims of the paranormal; they are out to knock them. [...] When an experiment of the paranormal meets their requirements, then they move the goal posts. Then, if the experiment is reputable, they say it's a mere anomaly.[4]



Truzzi attributed the following characteristics to pseudoskeptics:[5]

Denying, when only doubt has been established
Double standards in the application of criticism
The tendency to discredit rather than investigate
Presenting insufficient evidence or proof
Assuming criticism requires no burden of proof
Making unsubstantiated counter-claims
Counter-claims based on plausibility rather than empirical evidence
Suggesting that unconvincing evidence provides grounds for completely dismissing a claim

Truzzi characterized "true" skepticism as:[5]

Acceptance of doubt when neither assertion nor denial has been established
No burden of proof to take an agnostic position
Agreement that the corpus of established knowledge must be based on what is proved, but recognising its incompleteness
Even-handedness in requirement for proofs, whatever their implication
Accepting that a failure of a proof in itself proves nothing
Continuing examination of the results of experiments even when flaws are found



You are interested in providing material for other pseudoskeptics to sneer at.
To say that you have no agenda here, given the purpose of your website is hilarious.

[Wombaticus Rex]

If you're an Icke faithful, do you believe in alien-human hybrids?

Everything else is a distraction.

Quite so!

You've been told over and over there is no such strawman at this address.

So what's distracting you from that?

[Mason I Bilderberg]

No it isnt. It fits you and your site perfectly. You are in it for righteousness LULZ.

Irrelevant. Like questioning somebody's motive for asking "what is 2 + 2?"

I'm simply looking for Icke believers who also believe alien-human hybrids exist. My motives are irrelevant.

Who i am, my blog, weight, height, shoe size - doesn't alter or change the answer sought.

[American Dream]

You may have heard me ie understand / parse what I have said, but I dont feel any empathy for the experience I have, which is that no matter what I say is treated as de facto 'bad faith' and at best being blind and at worst lying

I dont know what to suggest to move it forward - I dont know who the "Defenders of Icke" in this case are, I dont know anyone of RI who believes in lizard aliens though you yourself did acknowledge it is a possiblility (although unlikely). I have re-iterated my position to you several times in this thread, and slad seems to have a similar position.

As I mentioned, anything said about the structure of your communication is taken by you as more proof of my defending Icke and probably my silence as assent.

My previous boldened post describes even more accurately my experience -
I am puzzled that someone with your NVC / Rosenberg experience isnt connecting...
I feel sad and disconnected as I am trying to do my best to be empathic and you said I understood your need for truth and veracity as a value in your activism, but I am not getting *my* need - to have my experience of how your communications are 'landing over here' taken on board met.

Sorry if you're not feeling openness to your position- I'm trying but very distracted now- really don't have time to read thoroughly or backtrack much- will have to go soon and focus at the tasks at hand.

When I say "defenders of Icke", that's very deliberate phrasing- defenders might be true believers but it's hard to know since I haven't even heard anyone from that sector accept or reject one fundamental precept with real clarity. Call me paranoid, call me a "conspiracy theorist" but I do suspect that some people here don't want to share the depth and breadth of their positive feeling for Icke.

That said, when I speak of the defenders of Icke, I'm not thinking primarily of you. I see you in more of a secondary role on this thread, not primary. And I mean that honestly, factually, and without bad lntent.

I do have a question though: if no one here thinks human-alien hybrids are real then how can they take Icke's world as anything more than myth or fiction? And if we all agree that Icke's world is based fundamentally on myth and fiction then aren't we all getting on the same page?

[Mason I Bilderberg]

No, I don't believe there is any credible evidence that human-alien hybrids exist.

[slimmouse]

Scientologists use thought stopping phrases like "suppressive." Many cults do this - they create their own world of phrases and acronyms. Not only does it help enhance group identity, it also keeps the people from thinking outside the box.

Well thank heavens we've got the kind of place your affiliated with to keep that in order huh?

And no government conspirators. I was hoping you might have cleared that up for us by now, but of course you aren;t here to face yourself, or your pretty dire video are you?

I personally think that humans who run away from the very serious responsibilitiy of being true to yourself are a real problem on this earth just now.

It shows an eery lack of class, courage and ultimately responsibility to others.

And for all of his archontic hybrid reptilians and PEZ endorsement , I sure as hell dont think that Icke is one of them.

[Mason I Bilderberg]

The word 'pseudskeptic was actually created as I mentioned earlier by one of the people who founded CSICOP. It describes what you do very very accurately.

I'm simply asking Icke faithfuls if they also believe alien-human hybrids exist.

Is it pseudskeptical to ask "what does 2 + 2 equal?"

My inquiry is neutral. What you project onto my inquiry is a reflection of your own bias, not mine.

[Mason I Bilderberg]

If you're an Icke faithful, do you believe in alien-human hybrids?

Everything else is a distraction.

Quite so!

You've been told over and over there is no such strawman at this address.

So what's distracting you from that?

Nobody on this forum has ever defended Icke? Ever? Never, ever, ever?

[Wombaticus Rex]

Nobody on this forum has ever defended Icke? Ever? Never, ever, ever?

Defending Icke doesn't equate to "Icke faithful" or "Icke believers."

I've defended him on numerous occasions, here and elsewhere, but that doesn't mean I'm a fan of his work.

Again, mate, if asking these questions of the believers is your interest, why aren't you on Icke's forum? There's thousands of geniuine believers there, right now.

[Searcher08]

No it isnt. It fits you and your site perfectly. You are in it for righteousness LULZ.

Irrelevant. Like questioning somebody's motive for asking "what is 2 + 2?"

I'm simply looking for Icke believers who also believe alien-human hybrids exist. My motives are irrelevant.

Who i am, my blog, weight, height, shoe size - doesn't alter or change the answer sought.

No , not just 'simply looking' which is a deeply disingenuous thing to say
for a LULZ-seeker. that - because there are none here, but you still stick around

and no, not 'irrelevant' at all - what stupid thinking. Have you ever thought that a communication has a context? and that you might get a different answer depending on the context? And this from the person who is the expert on 'emotional manipulation techniques'?

You only communicate to me that you are a self-righteous troll feeding your feelings of smug superiority as you try to rise in the clergy of the Church of Holy Scientism.

Even your question is revealing -
2 + 2? ambiguous question -
In the case of Modulo 4 addition 2 + 2 actually equals 0.
Why would anyone want to engage with you in good faith when you show none?

Go to the Icke forum.