How Bad Is Global Warming?

[Ben D]

IOW: i couldn't find anything to support my pro-polluter opinion but am incapable of admitting it.

IOW: ask me again in 50 years.

Solar science is still in its relative infancy, a Maunder minimum is the perfect event for solar scientists to learn more. some will be left with egg on their face if the cooling happens.

Fwiw, my gut feeling from reading the debate is that the Earth will cool with a Maunder minimum, that you think differently is no bother, we will see. In any event, all arguments aside, it will be an extremely exciting time for solar science, it would be nice to be one at this time.

[wintler2]

IOW: i couldn't find anything to support my pro-polluter opinion but am incapable of admitting it.

IOW: ask me again in 50 years.

Solar science is still in its relative infancy, a Maunder minimum is the perfect event for solar scientists to learn more. some will be left with egg on their face if the cooling happens.

Fwiw, my gut feeling from reading the debate is that the Earth will cool with a Maunder minimum, that you think differently is no bother, we will see. In any event, all arguments aside, it will be an extremely exciting time for solar science, it would be nice to be one at this time.

You've just admitted that your countless sun related posts were offtopic trolling.
Fwiw, my gut feeling is you should report back in 50 years, not before, and not on this thread.

[Ben D]

You've just admitted that your countless sun related posts were offtopic trolling.
Fwiw, my gut feeling is you should report back in 50 years, not before, and not on this thread.

You've just proved that you are not interested in the science, but a sad case name caller...

[wintler2]

Global Heatwave: Temperatures Reaching Record Levels in UK, China, Korea, Austria and Hungary
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/49807 ... ungary.htm

Countries across the world are witnessing record temperatures, with Korea, China and many parts of Europe in the grip of heatwaves.

Health authorities across the globe have issued warnings about the dangers of hot weather, with people living in affected areas told to seek shade and drink lots of water. The UK's Met Office says that, during a heatwave, children and elderly people are at particular risk.

The UK has already experienced a heatwave this year, with July being the third hottest month on record. The hottest day of the year so far was 1 August, when the mercury at Heathrow rose to 34.2C. However this record is expected to be beaten in the very near future. ..

China
Since the start of the heatwave around two weeks ago, at least 10 people have died in Shanghai from the scorching temperatures and the government was forced to issue a heat alert.
To keep cool, people in Beijing have been visiting the air-conditioned paradise of Ikea. The Swedish furniture store has witnessed a surge in visitors in recent weeks, with people taking the chance to chill out on sofas and beds. ..

South Korea

Record temperatures have been recorded in South Korea for the past week, forcing the government to issue a warning about power shortages as electricity consumption increases.
An official from Korea Power Exchange said. "We breathed a sigh of relief after the daytime high temperature in Seoul was three degrees lower than forecast, but the supply shortage is expected to worsen as the heatwave continues."
Heat alerts were issued for most of the country, with temperatures remaining at around 35C. In Ulsan, the hottest day for 30 years was measured when the mercury climbed to 38.8C.
Night-time temperatures have remained higher than 25C for most parts of South Korea. Weather officials have said the hot weather is likely to continue for at least another week.

Hungary
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Austria
Hungary's neighbour Austria has witnessed record-breaking temperauters of 40.5C, beating the record 39.9C set five days earlier. ..

Bulgaria
A Code Yellow heatwave alert was issued by the Bulgarian government on 8 August after mercury rose to 38C in parts of the country. Code Yellow is the second-highest warning in the country's alert system, with Red indicating extremely dangerous weather. ...

[Luther Blissett]

Let's stop polluting the planet.

[Ben D]

Re possible solar activity and possible cooling comment from world renowned Danish astrophysicist Henrik Svensmark...

Since the 1940s and up to 10 years ago we have had the highest solar activity in 1000 years. The last time we had solar activity that high was when we had the Medieval Warm Period from year 1000 to around 1300. … Historically there has been a close connection between solar activity and temperature for the last 1000 years. Therefore the sun’s activity will also have influence the coming many years. … The unusual thing right now is that sun’s activity is decreasing while there’s a great increase in atmospheric CO2. For that reason the question is how much the earth will cool in a time of decreasing solar activity. … The development is beautifully consistent with a cooling effect of the solar activity in the same period. This could mean that the temperature will not rise for the next 30 years or maybe begin to decrease.”

http://notrickszone.com/2013/08/09/major-danish-daily-warns-globe-may-be-on-path-to-little-ice-age-much-colder-winters-dramatic-consequences/

[wintler2]

Re possible solar activity and possible cooling comment from world notorious [fixed that spelling for ya] Danish astrophysicist Henrik Svensmark...

Since the 1940s and up to 10 years ago we have had the highest solar activity in 1000 years. [no fucking way anyone knows that] ..http://notrickszone.com/2013/08/09/major-danish-daily-warns-globe-may-be-on-path-to-little-ice-age-much-colder-winters-dramatic-consequences/

Cosmic rays, yawn.

..Cosmic ray flux on Earth has been monitored since the mid-20th century, and has shown no significant trend over that period.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/cosmic- ... vanced.htm

Note the many links to published peer reviewed papers disproving the cosmic ray theory at skepticalscience.com, compare with the breathless uncritical excitement at BenDs denier dejour, and hilarious creationism debate in comments.

Polluters love to keep the focus off planet.

[brainpanhandler]

Let's stop polluting the planet.

Fuck you tree hugger. We can't stop polluting the planet or my taxes might go up.

[Ben D]

Danish astrophysicist Henriks Svensmark...
......Since the 1940s and up to 10 years ago we have had the highest solar activity in 1000 years. [no fucking way anyone knows that]

Cosmic rays, yawn.
Cosmic ray flux on Earth has been monitored since the mid-20th century, and has shown no significant trend over that period.
Note the many links to published peer reviewed papers disproving the cosmic ray theory at skepticalscience.com

Where is your citation to back up your claim that no one could know what Henriks Svensmark claims?

Who mentioned anything about Cosmic rays?

Btw, quoting from SkS is a joke, no real science is done there, it exists for no other reason than to attack skeptical science.

[wintler2]

Danish astrophysicist Henriks Svensmark...
......Since the 1940s and up to 10 years ago we have had the highest solar activity in 1000 years. [no fucking way anyone knows that]

Cosmic rays, yawn.
Cosmic ray flux on Earth has been monitored since the mid-20th century, and has shown no significant trend over that period.
Note the many links to published peer reviewed papers disproving the cosmic ray theory at skepticalscience.com, compare with the breathless uncritical excitement at BenDs denier dejour, and hilarious creationism debate in comments.

Polluters love to keep the focus off planet.

Where is your citation to back up your claim that no one could know what Henriks Svensmark claims?

"Highest solar activity in 1000 years" - Where is Svensmark getting his measurements of solar activity in 1013? The vatican? bullshit.

Who mentioned anything about Cosmic rays?

All propolluter talk about the sun is ultimately about cosmic rays &/or sunspots, cos theres less data on them & solar irradiance varies bugger all so is much harder to make up lies about.

Btw, quoting from SkS is a joke, no real science is done there, it exists for no other reason than to attack skeptical science.

No we're the skeptics, your lot are the pro-polluter parrots, thats why you keep repeating deceits from years ago; Svensmark lost credibility in 09 with his curiously timed 'heart attack'.

And actually, no real science is done online at all, this is a merely symbolic space. If you can't tell the difference, its time to unplug. MAybe check out (your home state) Queenslands Great Barrier Reef while theres still some bits left..

Climate change
http://www.gbrmpa.gov.au/outlook-for-th ... ate-change

The Great Barrier Reef Outlook Report 2009 identified climate change as one of the greatest threats to the long-term health of the Great Barrier Reef.

Climate change may affect the Reef in a number of ways, including:
Increased frequency of severe weather events
Ocean acidification
Rising sea temperature
Rising sea levels

Environmental and community impacts
All elements of the Reef ecosystem are exposed to, and at risk from, the impacts of climate change, the effects of which are already being seen. There is expected to be flow-on impacts for communities and industries. ..

or
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=6441 (but outdated - 2006 no longer Ozs hottest summer, thats now 2013).

Or head out west, to where the graziers are trucking hay up from NSW & Victoria, after another failed wet season.


Some people stick in denial just cos they're too gutless go outside & face the appalling truth.

[Ben D]

"Highest solar activity in 1000 years" - Where is Svensmark getting his measurements of solar activity in 1013? The vatican? bullshit.

All propolluter talk about the sun is ultimately about cosmic rays &/or sunspots, cos theres less data on them & solar irradiance varies bugger all so is much harder to make up lies about.

No we're the skeptics, your lot are the pro-polluter parrots, thats why you keep repeating deceits from years ago; Svensmark lost credibility in 09 with his curiously timed 'heart attack'.
And actually, no real science is done online at all, this is a merely symbolic space. If you can't tell the difference, its time to unplug.

MAybe check out (your home state) Queenslands Great Barrier Reef while theres still some bits left.
The Great Barrier Reef Outlook Report 2009 identified climate change as one of the greatest threats to the long-term health of the Great Barrier Reef.

The AGW team hate Svensmark because he is scathing in his opinion of the IPCC, so your disrespect of his solar expertise is merely parroting the far leftie line.

No, it is my understanding that skeptical solar scientists mostly accept that TSI does not vary much in the short term, but that there is more to it than that based on statistical analysis of the data, and while they so far have not been able to make a peer reviewed case, they are positive in their prediction that the possible upcoming solar Maunder minimum will prove their case.

I disagree, the internet is a mixed bag, but it has allowed some unsponsored real science to be done outside the orthodox peer reviewed system and 'peer' reviewed by all and sundry online, those that hold up are getting traction outside the traditional peer review system.

You know, despite the extraordinary bitter battle being fought over AGW climate change theory, the science of global climate as a whole will benefit as both side's errors are being uncovered. Already it is clear that the CO2 forcing effect has been overestimated which is why the temperature increase projections for the 21st century have been adjusted downwards since initial projections.

Btw, if you want to post every threat being blamed on global warming you see in the media, why do one by one, just post this link when you feel the need.....http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/globalwarming2.html

[Hammer of Los]

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Propolluter is a thoughtstop label.

None here are pro pollution.

Discussion is good.

Personal attacks and abusive language are not.

That at least is self evident.

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[brainpanhandler]

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Propolluter is a thoughtstop label.

Ya know, I would agree with that if there had not already been YEARS of patient but fruitless discussion (going around in circles) with yer buddy Bendy

Look, simply read pages 20 through 23 of the Global Warming, Eh? thread:


viewtopic.php?f=8&t=32878&start=285

Please. Simply read it. If after having carefully read it you cannot see that "discussion" with BenD is not an actual exchange with a good faith actor then I don't know what will convince you.

It's strange Hammer. Outside of this one area I've learned to accept your way of being here when before I considered you mostly a nuisance. I've even begun to read your poetry more closely when before I quickly scanned it and never thought much about it.

Can you really not see what BenD is?

If you can't or won't, so be it.

Carry on...

[Sounder]

HoL wrote...

propolluter is a thoughtstop label

bph wrote....
Ya know, I would agree with that if there had not already been YEARS of patient but fruitless discussion (going around in circles) with yer buddy Bendy

Patience is not how I would characterize the manner that believers relate to skeptics around these parts.


So you don't agree with it? At this point slinging about propolluter labels is ok because your patience has been inappropriately tested?

I suppose rhetoric works best when it's empty.

You think you can isolate Ben D?

I imagine Delta Dawn and many others have been driven away by the constant conformity enforcement efforts centered around AGW.

What a tool this AGW turns out to be. Such a fine polarizing device. This is much better than talking about a potential extinction level event like Fukushima.

That shit just bums a person out thinking about real death instead of the hypothetical deaths projected by computer models.

That's the ticket, we need our deaths to be more abstract, then we will surely find our way out of these woods.

Well good for you and the 'system', as my thoughts get automatically discounted for being at odds with the dominant consensus around these parts.


Someday more folk will get that; Rockefeller(the main AGW sponsors) is propollutor and he and his ilk made up this life is the enemy of life rhetoric, that wintler2 exemplifies so well, so they can keep on polluting without interference from well meaning but easily manipulated people.

Skeptics are not propolluter, except Koch of course, but he is just the straw dog waved in front of believers faces.

Koch is a Rockefeller satellite, just like JBS was or is.

Look, simply read pages 20 through 23 of the Global Warming, Eh? thread

Yeah, so what.

[Hammer of Los]

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The brainpanhandler's patience was tested, poor thing.

And found wanting.

Like his understanding.

Poor, ignorant bph.

Patience is a virtue.

Knowing Way of Infinite Patients,
I ponder Wisdom of the Ancients.

What do you ponder, bph? Your mortality.

Just resolve yer karma man.

You got some work ta do boy.

Oh the shining nuggets I have delivered you, freshly polished, but you really don't have the subtlety or wit to understand me.

You prejudged me badly from the outset.

I'm only here to converse with the wise.

You might wisen up one day.

I apologise to the mods for taking this off topic, but BenD is the subject of personal assaults and abusive language.

It's against the rules, simple.

The music rocks though!

Perfect!

Thanks man!

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