How to Overthrow the Illuminati

[8bitagent]

http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/2013/04/21/robertson-pushes-illuminati-conspiracy/

APR 21 2013

Robertson Pushes Illuminati Conspiracy

Wingnuttia by Ed Brayton

Pat Robertson spouted idiotic conspiracies about the Illuminati on the 700 Club recently, claiming they were behind the French Revolution. And wouldn’t you know, it involves same-sex marriage? Of course it does. Because letting gay people get married will create a country without God. Or something.

Alex Jones also pushes the "Gay rights is an NWO plot".

It's like, take war hawk neo liberals like William Kristol, Wolfowitz, Guiliani and you have gay rights but bombing Muslim babies.
Take Pat Buchannan, Rand Paul, etc and you have no war...but anti progressive stances.

[Sounder]

AD wrote....

Sounder, I don't think you have any idea who I am, what my process of personal evolution has been- and currently is. So more than speaking to me you seem to be speaking to phantoms of your own creation, spurred perhaps by the critique of Zeitgeist.. You assume too much- and impose on me a static state when you really don't understand who I am at all.

AD, one way to show respect for others is to speak to them directly. You don’t have to like what is said, but like as in P2P real life exchanges, without respect the conversations people have can turn ugly rather quickly.

I know you by what you do. I also am pretty sure you are a good person with noble intentions. But I also think you are a lot like illuminati theorists in that you are trying to make a little picture represent all that is going on. Nothing I say has reference to Zietgiest, you assume too much. I only saw a few minutes of it back when it came out, and while I imagine that I would agree with many of the specifics, as I also do with much of the material that you present, I do not agree with the totalizing element that is present in most any ‘picture of reality’. Reality is both simpler than that and more complicated.

Reality is hiding behind our inefficient conceptual structures and this is what makes it seem so complicated.

I am not imposing anything on you; the static state is a result of adherence to existing forms of understanding in preference to building new forms for understanding. As I have (irritatingly) mentioned in the past, intellectuals are more addicted to existing forms because those forms provide the basis and measure of identity and status for the intellectual. I.E., the proletariat is less brainwashed than are the bourgeoisie, yet it’s always the bourgeoisie telling us ignorant workers which end is up. Fuck that.

That said, I have to admit I don't really understand what it means for you when you say, "So, and still on the other hand, there must indeed be ‘more of a direct challenge to the system itself’, and my argument lo these long years is that ‘your’ way is no challenge to the system at all because pushing polarity or pumping the dichotomy is the system."

OK, so what does this mean for you about how we deal with the reality that the world is so fucked up? Especially when you say:

"No, you are right, they will not sit idly by, but please remember, they have many guns and many of them would think it an honor to kill you".

So you say you like prefigurative politics and you don't like polarizing actions, what then is the path forward that you see?

Thank-you very much for this request. I have a short story, still in my head, about my early thinking and its contribution toward helping to build a most beautiful life for me and my family.

I will be back with it in a few days,

8bit wrote…

27 pages of discussing "The ILLUMINATI".....oh man..

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We are not really discussing the Illuminati, thankfully.

[Searcher08]

Searcher, I know it must be hard for you that some socialists in Scotland have some really negative opinions of things that are happening in conspiracy land

Oh you know it MUST? Really?
You ALWAYS seem to know what I feel or what is hard for me? How DO you do that?
Your telepathy is frickken astonishing - I MUST contact Rupert Sheldrake - you could be the definiitive proof he is looking for.

Why on Earth would I have to care about that?
"AD, it must be really hard for you that some twats on the JREF forum have really negative things to say about UFOs" err NO

I DO however care about you using R.I. as a personal COPYPASTA dump

You carefully avoid the fact that you neither engaged with, nor replied to what I wrote.
You could have, but did not, ask me what I thought of TZM.
You could have, but did not, say what YOU thought of it.

[quote="[url=http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?p=521077#p521077]
but you are not going to shame me for posting articles that point out that some people in our world traffic in racist trash and other misguided, reactionary ideas. If anything, you should be the one who is ashamed- not me...[/quote]

"Trafficking in racist trash" and "Misguided reactionary ideas" on RI as decided BY WHOM?
BY Y O U? No, it is NOT by you. Jeff Wells or the MODS decide that.
This place was able to discuss subjects in a full and frank way without every thread being scanned by RI's de-facto one man ADL for possible 'infractions' or being 'problematic' or 'misguided' or 'reactonary' or having to be subject to 'heavy critique'.
This is not just around DI or even about me or slim or slad - you did this around C2w? on the Anti-psych thread and it drove her nuts.

What specifically do I have to be ashamed of?
Ashamed for requesting you stop behaving this way? NO.
Ashamed for expressing anger when you are at the point where an illustrative link to an film clip is inundated with pages of CopyPasta including VILE images (a point YOU did not respond to - why not?) and what I myself wrote is ignored? NO.
Ashamed for requesting you stop turning every thread you post in into the same screaming Anti-Semitic hotmess? NO

You come across to me that you have the right to decide what is fit for others to read or not and if you disagree, you will turn the thread into a hysterical frickken polemic.
This is Jeff Wells board, not yours - you are not a MOD and I would personally appreciate if you lost your attitude that you ARE Jeff Wells or a MOD. This is a monumental waste of time, energy and attention.
Personally, I would prefer an approach of people having a drink at a pub and chatting and supporting each other rather than turning 'Six Degrees of David Icke' into Steve Martin's "Cleaning Woman!!"

[8bitagent]

Nationally syndicated radio talk radio show host Alex Jones and his followers believe that the U.S. government is run by evil Pagan occultists with a plan to kill off most of the Earth’s human population as a mass human sacrifice to ancient gods. And he has written, on his prisonplanet.com website, that "the Pagans, the Wiccans and the Druids" are a "new religion of death,” “spreading with little protest while Christianity is riddled with infiltration and corruption, fostered by the same elite who belong to these new age cults."

Here in New York City, Alex Jones’s anti-Pagan bigotry is confined to the Internet and shortwave radio, whereas he can be heard on quite a few AM/FM stations in the Bible Belt. Yet, even here in New York City, there are people who promote Alex Jones.

His promoters aren’t just fundamentalist Christian religious right wingers, as one might expect them to be. His promoters, here in New York City, are active in nonreligious political causes such as the 9/11 Truth movement. Ideologies similar to Jones’s, involving claims about “the Illuminati,” are also promoted on the fringes of otherwise progressive political movements such as the anti-war movement and the anti-torture movement, and in popular culture, e.g. some hip hop lyrics.

“Illuminati” claims are very similar to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion , a notorious anti-Jewish forgery produced by the Russian secret police back in the 1890's. However, instead of Jews, “the Illuminati” are usually alleged to be atheists, “Satanists,” occultists, and/or Pagans. “The Illuminati” are alleged to be the secret rulers of the world, and they are alleged to practice human sacrifice and other ritual atrocities on a massive scale. Some folks have even claimed that the 9/11 attacks were a “Wiccan” human sacrifice! “Illuminati” claims are often accompanied by other false claims, e.g. about the Federal Reserve System, based on writings of notorious Jew-haters such as Eustace Mullins.

Progressive political movements, such as feminism, the gay rights movement, and the environmentalist movement, are alleged to be plots by “the Illuminati” to destroy civilization. Thus, “Illuminati” claims are an attack on the humanistic values of modern secular democratic society, as well as an attack on the specific religious minorities that are scapegoated and demonized - in much the same way that The Protocols of the Elders of Zion were intended as a royalist attack on democracy, as well as an attack on Jews.

At the present time, here in the U.S.A., “Illuminati” claims are largely confined to the political fringes. But, even now, believers in “Illuminati” claims play a key role in more prominent forms of organized bigotry. For example, major religious right wing leaders such as Pat Robertson and Tim LaHaye have espoused "Illuminati" claims. Belief in “Illuminati” claims can inspire fanatical devotion to bigoted political movements such as the religious right wing, in much the same way that The Protocols of the Elders of Zion fueled Nazi hatred of Jews. Hence the spread of “Illuminati” claims outside the religious right wing may be a serious potential longterm threat to Pagans and to the other minorities that are vilified.

http://nyarbb.com/casp/pdf/leaflet-Pagan-AJ-nyarbb.htm

Philoso-Raptor says, if Nazis were secret occult Illuminati devil cabal people who tried to wipe out Jews, how then can Jews be secret occult Illuminati? hmmm
*mind splodey* Also Pat Robertson talking about evil occult cabals is like the Vatican saying they're going to stamp out abuse. (tho I have to say, I kind of been digging the new pope. He seem coo)

[seemslikeadream]

it's a good thing elfismiles ignores your shit AD....cause even he'd start getting pissed


nobody really likes to get spit on around here ...and that's what you do here every day....you spit on people that just want to talk about something else besides anti-semitism and DI

[Sounder]

Well that did not take so long.




In my regular life, being nice and getting and showing respect characterizes (nearly) all mundane interactions. I do not ‘yell’ at people and they do not yell at me. I have worked with the same people-on and off- for my whole career. I have gratitude for what they provide to me and likewise they seem to value what I bring to the table.

This condition of being nice traces back to simple thought experiments done when I was about sixteen. Hopefully this story is appropriate here as it has to do with communism and capitalism.

A primary assumption for my thinking was that the most manipulative people tend to hold positions of the greatest power.

Then a hypothesis formed in my head saying; in capitalism the manipulative types ‘skim’ off of one entity, industry or whatnot, while in communism the produce of all labor and industry is harvested by these manipulative types of people.

Sometime thereafter I determined that there were two basic sources for this manipulation.

The first source is represented by monarchies and their monopoly holding corporations, with the second source being the bankers.

Ironically yet predictably the ‘Illuminati’ has become the very thing that they most claim to hate, as they to have come to share the aspiration to be feudal overlords for the larger population.

Sometime later I found that these two impulses reside quite deeply within our conceptual structures.

Still later and until now, after having many of my speculations validated (in my mind anyway) by thinkers such as Abraham Joshua Heschel and Morris Berman, I have come to the determination that the proper measure for the development of consciousness is the balance found between ‘order’ and ‘liberty’.

Therefore I aspire to balance order and liberty in my life.

For me the results have been outstanding and I wish for others to find as much wonder, beauty and opportunity for learning in life as I do.

Peace

[American Dream]

Well that did not take so long.




In my regular life, being nice and getting and showing respect characterizes (nearly) all mundane interactions. I do not ‘yell’ at people and they do not yell at me. I have worked with the same people-on and off- for my whole career. I have gratitude for what they provide to me and likewise they seem to value what I bring to the table.

This condition of being nice traces back to simple thought experiments done when I was about sixteen. Hopefully this story is appropriate here as it has to do with communism and capitalism.

A primary assumption for my thinking was that the most manipulative people tend to hold positions of the greatest power.

Then a hypothesis formed in my head saying; in capitalism the manipulative types ‘skim’ off of one entity, industry or whatnot, while in communism the produce of all labor and industry is harvested by these manipulative types of people.

Sometime thereafter I determined that there were two basic sources for this manipulation.

The first source is represented by monarchies and their monopoly holding corporations, with the second source being the bankers.

Ironically yet predictably the ‘Illuminati’ has become the very thing that they most claim to hate, as they to have come to share the aspiration to be feudal overlords for the larger population.

Sometime later I found that these two impulses reside quite deeply within our conceptual structures.

Still later and until now, after having many of my speculations validated (in my mind anyway) by thinkers such as Abraham Joshua Heschel and Morris Berman, I have come to the determination that the proper measure for the development of consciousness is the balance found between ‘order’ and ‘liberty’.

Therefore I aspire to balance order and liberty in my life.

For me the results have been outstanding and I wish for others to find as much wonder, beauty and opportunity for learning in life as I do.

Peace

Sounder, I think the idea that there is certainly some merit to the proposal that the social structures we are born into and something inside our psyches interact in an important way- and that Order and Liberty are two important principles, but everything you said only links tenuously or abstractly towards the question of what should or should not be done regarding social change.

I would like you to hear what you think about "fighting the Power". Or not.

[slimmouse]

In conjunction with the scurrilous racism which somehow is implied by any mention of the name Rothschild with reference to the illuminati as it clearly appears in ADs eyes, (other than quoting MIBs lovely little piece about how these guys are now all fluffily retired to suburbia),
, I offer my own piece,

John McCain is under suspicion of being on the Rothschilds payroll… in other news the sky is blue.




Opinion[
By JG Vibes
Intellihub.com
September 8, 2013

It has long been known by many in the alternative research community that pretty much every politician in the western world is basically an employee of the ruling class, which is made up of a handful of traditionally powerful families including the Rothschilds and Rockefellers.

Recently John McCain came under suspicion of “accepting improper contributions” from the Rothschild family during a recent trip to London.

The Guardian reported that the situation in question involves a fundraising luncheon held in March at London’s Spencer House, during McCain’s visit to the United Kingdom this March. An invitation to the event lists Lord Rothschild and Nathaniel Rothschild as hosts, and indicates the event was made possible with their “kind permission”.

“The question is whether or not the Rothschilds paid for the event, the venue, the catering, or any other related costs,” said Judicial Watch president Tom Fitton.

Tickets to the event cost $1,000 to $2,300, and the luncheon dress code was “lounge suits,” the Washington Post reported in March.

While it is true that nearly every politician is on the Rothschilds payroll, the case of McCain is especially interesting because he is always one of the loudest war hawks.

During the 2008 election cycle McCain’s formal contributors were exposed by opensecrets.com, showing millions of dollars in contributions from big wall street banks, government agencies, and defense contractors.

People seem to be catching on to this blatant corruption though, recently at a town hall meeting John McCain was hounded by concerned people who did not want to go to war in Syria.

So, the raving warhawk McCain is a guest at a Rothschild initiated Fundraiser one minute, and arm in arm with Al Quaeda the next? Funny old world innit.

I really hope theres nothing to see here, with regards to "racism".



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[American Dream]

Another valiant fighter against "The Illuminati":

http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2013/ ... meier.html

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#369: Fritz Springmeier


A.k.a. Victor Earl Schoof (original name)

Whale.to stalwart Fritz Artz Springmeier carries the dubious honor of being one of the most hysterically insane loons in our entire Encyclopedia. He is a well-known conspiracy theorist and religious right wing activist. That combo spawns some interesting ideas, such as the notion that satanic forces are behind a move toward world domination by various families and organizations. And he is associated with the violent extremist group the Army of God, which we have encountered before) – he has even been convicted of armed bank robbery in support of the group, and for planting a bomb in an adult video store (a perfect opportunity for his fans, including Ken Adachi, to see a conspiracy here). There are shades of a budding David Koresh in Springmeier, in other words.

Springmeier has written and self-published a number of books based on the ideology of the ultra-right-wing group the Christian Patriot Association (which was shut down in 2002 after convictions for tax fraud and tax evasion). Springmeier has vigorously defended the veracity of Project Monarch, allegedly a CIA mind control project, with most of his defense being based on the testimony of the legendary Cathy O’Brien in his book “Deeper insights into the Illuminati Formula”. According to whale “[t]he book was coauthored with former Illuminati programmer Cisco Wheeler”. You can find Springmeier & Wheeler’s rantings online here. Wheeler’s credentials remain unverified.

Springmeier’s earlier “The Watchtower & the Masons” argued (by garbled insanity) that there was a strong relationship between Jehovah's Witnesses and Freemasonry (and hence conspiracy). His writings on the Illuminati are focused on the 13 families (“bloodlines”) that purportedly run the whole thing. Oh, and they are Satan worshippers who engage in mind control, for instance electric shocks, to make “porn slaves”. Indeed, they control the government: “George Bush’s double was promiscuous, while George Bush is a pedophile. His double was living in France after Bush was no longer President. By the use of doubles, (or one of the synthetics or organic robotoids) the elite are able to sneak away and perform satanic rituals.” Furthermore: “On important points, Bill [Clinton – this is a rant about his speeches] will move his left hand, to help imbed certain commands to his viewers. He will also use some subtle hand signals/codes to trigger mind-controlled slaves too. He will ask during his talks for people to imagine or visualize what he wants for them. Again this is manipulation directed at the right brain.” And they have agents everywhere, including Simon Wiesenthal (“One of the men who betrayed the human race and helped with the cloning […] a US intelligence [… who] seriously hunted Nazis that were not on the CIA’s payroll or CIA associated groups”] and Jim Morrison (“The Doors Singer, [who] used the occult code name Lizard King and The Exterminating Angel, […] was involved with mind control”). Satanism is rampant: “There are some locations, for instance, two entire towns in southern Utah […], which are entirely programmed multiples [… and] caught up in secret satanic rituals [and] also have occult mind-control programming along with those rituals. […] This is in fact, where the entire world is headed very rapidly.” [The punctuation is Springmeier’s]

Among the arsenal of mind controlling techniques deployed by the government are acupuncture and osteopathy (I suppose getting scientists to write it off as inert woo is part if the agenda). Springmeier is also a believer in phrenology and iridology, though he is pretty scared by it: “By looking at the skull and head, the skin, the body tone, the eyes, and other areas, the practitioners of Structure/Function can accurately tell a person’s personality”. Furthermore “[t]here is no doubt that Chinese martial arts are being used to mug people in order to alter their thinking.”

But then, Springmeier’s ventures into neurology contain some idiosyncracies: “[…] the human brain is actually 7 brains. The 4th or mid brain that lies between the upper 3 brains and the lower three and functions as a crossroads, joins with the optic thalamus, which forms the floor of the 3rd ventricle. The ceiling of the 4th brain is the floor of the 3rd ventricle. The 3rd ventricle and the Cave of Brahma make up the 5th brain. The 5th brain is connected to the cerebral hemispheres of the Cerebrum and is critical to creating concepts and storing abstract concepts. It feeds on ideas, and reflects. (Marijuana activates this brain)”.

He also takes anti-elitism to a whole other level: “It is an attitude of elitism that allowed the Pharisees to crucify Christ, the Nazis to kill Jews, and Moslems to kill Hindus, etc. […]” Elitist values are instilled in us in schools, in the military and so on. Springmeier, however, takes the process to be rather literal (physical): “The memories of our bodies are buried within the cells of our bodies […] Cellular level body memories are way beyond the grasp of the consciousness. Buried into a deep unconscious repression are the body memories of the social values (elitism).” Oh, and don’t watch TV: “The all pervasive Television, which has been so common place in the lives of Americans, is used a great deal to manipulate trauma-based mind-controlled slaves.”

You can read John S. Torrel’s not entirely coherent defense of/attack on Springmeier here (including the argument that the CIA is infiltrating church communities – all killing sprees related to religion, for instance, are performed by CIA-controlled mind slaves, and the purpose is to put freedom-loving Taliban fundies in a bad light, because fundamentalist Christianity is otherwise a threat to the Satanism of the CIA). Springmeier also has other detractors. In the words of one Marion Knox “I think he's a double-agent working for the other side [the Illuminati]”.

Diagnosis: Potentially another David Koresh/Jim Jones in the making? Not very influential but slightly scary nonetheless.

[Searcher08]

Sounder, thank you so much for that.

Clear, to the point, your personal reflection of your life path left me feeling added to - it had not occured to me that one could do 'personal thought experiments' in the way I would do in maths or logic (it now seems obvious in hindsight).

I loved Morris Berman's book 'Coming to our senses' - it was a lateral, challenging provocative read, that felt very aligned with Francisco Varela's work on embodied cognition.

I think one other point around this worth talking about is that from a VSM cybernetic point of view, systems occur in a 'Russian Doll'-like recursive structure - and the map that one 'level' has of the 'level' above may make the normal activities of the next level up have a degree of agency and intent and manipulation of their *own* level that is not actually there.
A specific example of this would be:
A 'boutique' organisational change consultancy gets bought by a medium size mainstream management consultancy. This in turn is purchased by a massive global Systems Integrator. Each of these 'Russian Dolls' had totally different cultures. The 'boutique' was collegial, out of the box and left-field; the consultancy was very academic, analysis and 'left-brain', data driven. The Systems Integrator was chock full of ex-mil people with buzzcuts who didnt have 'projects' they had 'campaigns' to 'destroy competition' and 'capture market share'.

The language of the changes implimented in the boutique was full of conspiracy from the upper levels - that they were kept in the dark, fed crap, a battleground between higher up factions in the consultancy; this language was mirrored in the language relations of the consultancy and the Systems Integrator.

In fact, the Systems Integrator was doing no such thing. They had a very clear process to follow and were doing so; the ordinary corporate communications networks added noise, degraded the signal. So that by the time information was received at the boutique, it was contradictory, out of date, had conflicting values and outcomes. ALL the 'conspiracy' thinking arose from poor communication networks and signal degradation and a lack of a map of the higher recursion system... and the head of the 'boutique' became a main board director of the Systems Integrator

[minime]

Oh, I don't know. I just like the word... Illuminati. Mellifluous euphony. It rolls off the tongue. Plus the word element is encrypted among the vowels.

[Searcher08]

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So, the raving warhawk McCain is a guest at a Rothschild initiated Fundraiser one minute, and arm in arm with Al Quaeda the next? Funny old world innit.
I really hope theres nothing to see here, with regards to "racism".
i

A Coincidence Theorist's Guide To The Rothschilds
1 John McCain is a guest at a Rothschild initiated Fundraiser one minute, and arm in arm with Al Qaeda the next...
Just goes to show how complex politics can be these days.

2 The fact that the Bank Of International Settlements was described by Lord Cuckney in Hansard as

A. First of all, I should say that the structure of the BIS is very opaque. The banking regulations are not actually set by the BIS, they are set by the group of ten. It so happens that the group of ten countries are the central banks that are represented on the BIS board but they do not do it in the name of the BIS. They meet at the BIS, the secretariat is there, but they do it in their collective name. We sometimes talk about this as the "Basel process". In other words, it is not the BIS as an institution, it is people who choose to meet there and have these formal meetings of discussion or setting rules.

just goes to show it is people that make the difference no matter where you go in these connected times!
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200102/ldselect/ldeconaf/143/1112705.htm

[seemslikeadream]

3. ALEX JONES PREDICTED 9-11

On July 25, 2001, Alex Jones, the outspoken conspiracy theorist, predicted on his video report that the U.S government would carry out terrorist attacks against itself in what's known as a false flag operation. The attack would open the doors for a military invasion in the Middle East, expanding the power of corporate America and the military industrial complex, as well as extend martial law to American citizens.

In the midst of Jones's freestyle predictions, he guesses Bin Laden will be blamed for hitting a target, "like the World Trade Center."

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David Icke Has Been Talking About Jimmy Savile For Years

Back in the mid 1990s, David Icke named former Biritish prime Minister Edward Heath as a child murdering peadophile

Nationally syndicated radio talk radio show host Alex Jones and his followers believe that the U.S. government is run by evil Pagan occultists with a plan to kill off most of the Earth’s human population as a mass human sacrifice to ancient gods. And he has written, on his prisonplanet.com website, that "the Pagans, the Wiccans and the Druids" are a "new religion of death,” “spreading with little protest while Christianity is riddled with infiltration and corruption, fostered by the same elite who belong to these new age cults."

Here in New York City, Alex Jones’s anti-Pagan bigotry is confined to the Internet and shortwave radio, whereas he can be heard on quite a few AM/FM stations in the Bible Belt. Yet, even here in New York City, there are people who promote Alex Jones.

His promoters aren’t just fundamentalist Christian religious right wingers, as one might expect them to be. His promoters, here in New York City, are active in nonreligious political causes such as the 9/11 Truth movement. Ideologies similar to Jones’s, involving claims about “the Illuminati,” are also promoted on the fringes of otherwise progressive political movements such as the anti-war movement and the anti-torture movement, and in popular culture, e.g. some hip hop lyrics.

“Illuminati” claims are very similar to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion , a notorious anti-Jewish forgery produced by the Russian secret police back in the 1890's. However, instead of Jews, “the Illuminati” are usually alleged to be atheists, “Satanists,” occultists, and/or Pagans. “The Illuminati” are alleged to be the secret rulers of the world, and they are alleged to practice human sacrifice and other ritual atrocities on a massive scale. Some folks have even claimed that the 9/11 attacks were a “Wiccan” human sacrifice! “Illuminati” claims are often accompanied by other false claims, e.g. about the Federal Reserve System, based on writings of notorious Jew-haters such as Eustace Mullins.

Progressive political movements, such as feminism, the gay rights movement, and the environmentalist movement, are alleged to be plots by “the Illuminati” to destroy civilization. Thus, “Illuminati” claims are an attack on the humanistic values of modern secular democratic society, as well as an attack on the specific religious minorities that are scapegoated and demonized - in much the same way that The Protocols of the Elders of Zion were intended as a royalist attack on democracy, as well as an attack on Jews.

At the present time, here in the U.S.A., “Illuminati” claims are largely confined to the political fringes. But, even now, believers in “Illuminati” claims play a key role in more prominent forms of organized bigotry. For example, major religious right wing leaders such as Pat Robertson and Tim LaHaye have espoused "Illuminati" claims. Belief in “Illuminati” claims can inspire fanatical devotion to bigoted political movements such as the religious right wing, in much the same way that The Protocols of the Elders of Zion fueled Nazi hatred of Jews. Hence the spread of “Illuminati” claims outside the religious right wing may be a serious potential longterm threat to Pagans and to the other minorities that are vilified.

http://nyarbb.com/casp/pdf/leaflet-Pagan-AJ-nyarbb.htm

[coffin_dodger]

This whole denial of an illuminati or illuminati-like structure (or whatever they are called) is so fervent amongst the deniers (and the lengths they go to to mock and quash discussion of) that it reminds me of the many dominoes to have toppled recently - wikileaks, manning, snowden, the activities of the nsa to name but a few - it feels like we're all edging closer to some seriously liberating yet disturbing stuff. I still maintain wikileaks and greenwald have stuff that the public just isn't ready for yet. Here's hoping.

[seemslikeadream]

This whole denial of an illuminati or illuminati-like structure (or whatever they are called) is so fervent amongst the deniers (and the lengths they go to to mock and quash discussion of) that it reminds me of the many dominoes to have toppled recently - wikileaks, manning, snowden, the activities of the nsa to name but a few - it feels like we're all edging closer to some seriously liberating yet disturbing stuff. I still maintain wikileaks and greenwald have stuff that the public just isn't ready for yet. Here's hoping.

oldest trick in the book ....label all perceived enemies anti-semites...whether they are or not ...it does not matter to them ..they are just out to disgrace anyone they don't agree with....just association alone will serve their purpose...or so they think