Mass Shooting in California

[8bitagent]

The Six Most Shocking Parts Of Rodger's Manifesto:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/05 ... manifesto/

Oh good lord, the top categories at the top of Glenn Beck's TheBlaze site literally has "Benghazi"(along with "2nd Amendment") Every time I hear or read right wingers talk about Benghazi I
myself want to go on a shooting rampage /sarcasm

[Hunter]

Curious what you all think about this, the social hierarchy or "The Game" as it is often referred to. I find some of it to be strangely accurate from my experiences in social circles from parties, social events, church or politics:

FWIW I have been called a Sigma, by those who know me well.


The socio-sexual hierarchy

Alpha: The alpha is the tall, good-looking guy who is the center of both male and female attention. The classic star of the football team who is dating the prettiest cheerleader. The successful business executive with the beautiful, stylish, blonde, size zero wife. All the women are attracted to him, while all the men want to be him, or at least be his friend. At a social gathering like a party, he's usually the loud, charismatic guy telling self-flattering stories to a group of attractive women who are listening with interest. However, alphas are only interested in women to the extent that they exist for the alpha's gratification, physical and psychological, they are actually more concerned with their overall group status.

Lifetime sexual partners = 4x average+.

Beta: Betas are the good-looking guys who aren't as uniformly attractive or socially dominant as the Alpha, but are nevertheless confident, attractive to women, and do well with them. At the party, they are the loud guy's friends who showed up with the alcohol and who are flirting with the tier one women and cheerfully pairing up with the tier two women. Betas tend to genuinely like women and view them in a somewhat optimistic manner, but they don't have a lot of illusions about them either. Betas tend to be happy, secure in themselves, and are up for anything their alpha wants to do. When they marry, it is not infrequently to a woman who was one of the alpha's former girlfriends.

Lifetime sexual partners = 2-3x average.

Delta: The normal guy. Deltas are the great majority of men. They can't attract the most attractive women, so they usually aim for the second-tier women with very limited success, and stubbornly resist paying attention to all of the third-tier women who are comfortably in their league. This is ironic, because deltas would almost always be happier with their closest female equivalents. When a delta does manage to land a second-tier woman, he is constantly afraid that she will lose interest in him and will, not infrequently, drive her into the very loss of interest he fears by his non-stop dancing of attendance upon her. In a social setting, the deltas are the men clustered together in groups, each of them making an occasional foray towards various small gaggles of women before beating a hasty retreat when direct eye contact and engaged responses are not forthcoming. Deltas tend to put the female sex on pedestals and have overly optimistic expectations of them; if a man rhapsodizes about his better half or is an inveterate White Knight, he is almost certainly a delta. Deltas like women, but find them mysterious, confusing, and are sometimes secretly a little afraid of them.

Lifetime sexual partners = 1-1.5x average

Gamma: The introspective, the unusual, the unattractive, and all too often the bitter. Gammas are often intelligent, usually unsuccessful with women, and not uncommonly all but invisible to them, the gamma alternates between placing women on pedestals and hating the entire sex. This mostly depends upon whether an attractive woman happened to notice his existence or not that day. Too introspective for their own good, gammas are the men who obsess over individual women for extended periods of time and supply the ranks of stalkers, psycho-jealous ex-boyfriends, and the authors of excruciatingly romantic rhyming doggerel. In the unlikely event they are at the party, they are probably in the corner muttering darkly about the behavior of everyone else there... sometimes to themselves. Gammas tend to have have a worship/hate relationship with women, the current direction of which is directly tied to their present situation. However, they are sexual rejects, not social rejects.

Lifetime voluntary sexual partners = .5x average

Omega: The truly unfortunate. Omegas are the social losers who were never in the game. Sometimes creepy, sometimes damaged, often clueless, and always undesirable. They're not at the party. It would never have crossed anyone's mind to invite them in the first place. Omegas are either totally indifferent to women or hate them with a borderline homicidal fury.

Lifetime sexual partners < 2

Sigma: The outsider who doesn't play the social game yet manages to win at it anyhow. The sigma is hated by alphas because sigmas are the only men who don't accept or at least acknowledge, however grudgingly, their social dominance. (NB: Alphas absolutely hate to be laughed at and a sigma can often enrage an alpha by doing nothing more than smiling at him.) Everyone else is vaguely confused by them. In a social situation, the sigma is the man who stops in briefly to say hello to a few friends accompanied by a Tier 1 girl that no one has ever seen before. Sigmas like women, but tend to be contemptuous of them. They are usually considered to be strange. Gammas often like to think they are sigmas, failing to understand that sigmas are not social rejects, they are at the top of the social hierarchy despite their refusal to play by its rules. Sigma is simply the guy who doesn't care. He's too busy doing things he finds to be interesting to bother monitoring or working on his socio-sexual status. Despite this fact, he still manages to be placed at the top of the hierarchy with the Alphas by others. Clint Eastwood in many of his roles and Paul Newman in many of his are typical Sigmas. Sigmas were not the popular kids in school, they were the outcasts who had to earn their way to the top of the hierarchy through the school of hard knocks, unlike Alphas who have always been the big man on campus.

Lifetime sexual partners = 4x average+.

Lambda: Those men who have quite literally no interest in conventional male-female sexual relations. They clearly have their own hierarchy of sorts (homosexuals).

Lifetime sexual partners = 10x average+

Now, it is important to keep in mind that it serves absolutely no purpose to identify yourself in some manner that you think is "better" or higher up the hierarchy. No one cares what you think you are and your opinion about your place in the social hierarchy is probably the opinion that matters least. There is no good or bad here, there is only what happens to be observable in social interaction. Consider: alphas seemingly rule the roost and yet they live in a world of constant conflict and status testing. Sigmas usually acquired their outsider status the hard way; one seldom becomes immune to the social hierarchy by virtue of mass popularity in one's childhood. Betas... okay, betas actually have it pretty good. But the important thing to keep in mind is that you can't improve your chances of success in the social game if you begin by attempting to deceive yourself as to where you stand vis-a-vis everyone else around you.


I THINK RODGER WAS AN OMEGA WHO WANTED TO BE AN ALPHA AND JUST WASNT.

[JackRiddler]

For whatever reason, fedoras, medieval slang, "new aetheism" (see the RI thread for details) all started being used as symbols by a visible and vocal subset of men's rights activists.

I intensely dislike the New Atheism for its accommodations with the status quo economic system, Western supremacism, scientism and Islamophobia, but a direct connection to MRA (other than as different components of a dominance-obsessed culture) seems quite tenuous. And it doesn't come up at all in the RI thread...

The New Atheism and your probs with it, if any...
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/view ... =8&t=35930

[Hunter]

The Six Most Shocking Parts Of Rodger's Manifesto:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/05 ... manifesto/

Oh good lord, the top categories at the top of Glenn Beck's TheBlaze site literally has "Benghazi"(along with "2nd Amendment") Every time I hear or read right wingers talk about Benghazi I
myself want to go on a shooting rampage /sarcasm

Yea I dont know what The Blaze is, I just found that on reddit, it just has excerpts from the manifesto, no Beck stuff in that article. I just posted it for those who dont want to read the whole thing, it just took the important parts out and posted them. Its a good read.

[Luther Blissett]

For whatever reason, fedoras, medieval slang, "new aetheism" (see the RI thread for details) all started being used as symbols by a visible and vocal subset of men's rights activists.

I intensely dislike the New Atheism for its accommodations with the status quo economic system, Western supremacism, scientism and Islamophobia, but a direct connection to MRA (other than as different components of a dominance-obsessed culture) seems quite tenuous. And it doesn't come up at all in the RI thread...

The New Atheism and your probs with it, if any...
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=35930

Check the MRA demographic survey link I posted earlier; religious affiliation with the younger crowd skews hard atheist. I don't think New Atheism is conflated with the MRM, but a lot of MRA atheists skew "New Atheist" if that makes any sense.

[8bitagent]

The Six Most Shocking Parts Of Rodger's Manifesto:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/05 ... manifesto/

Oh good lord, the top categories at the top of Glenn Beck's TheBlaze site literally has "Benghazi"(along with "2nd Amendment") Every time I hear or read right wingers talk about Benghazi I
myself want to go on a shooting rampage /sarcasm

Yea I dont know what The Blaze is, I just found that on reddit, it just has excerpts from the manifesto, no Beck stuff in that article. I just posted it for those who dont want to read the whole thing, it just took the important parts out and posted them. Its a good read.

Oh no worries, it's a good capsule. I just laugh every time I see the word "Benghazi". In 100 years right wingers will still be obsessing over it.

But... a rebuttal to this kid's points

1. The 22-year-old wrote that “the ultimate evil behind sexuality is the human female.” He added that they “think like beasts” and “should not have the right to choose who to mate and breed with.”

Men traditionally are the ones who think like beasts, women just go along in a psycho sexual stockhome syndrome fashion. It's however often madison avenue who meme-gineers who we are programmed to
"find attractive". Both men and women are programmed in western society who they find attractive as well as worry what their friends will think. (Mostly talking teens and 20/30 year olds)

2. In his perfect society, Rodger would be the Earth’s “divine ruler,” where he would quarantine all women in concentration camps and then starve them to death.

He must like em' real thin. As much as he hates women, he doesn't seem to have any good plans or thoughts on other guys...almost more of an Elliot Rodget supremacist than fist bumpin for his fellow bros

3. Rodger plotted his “Day of Retribution” and set it for April 26, 2014, but later delayed it because of an illness.

Psychotic young men sure do love their second half of April killing spree dates (cough VT Tech Oklahoma city Columbine cough)

4. He planned to kill people by first luring them into his apartment and then wrote he would sneak into a sorority house and “slaughter every single one of them with my guns and knives” before driving to his father’s house to kill his little brother and stepmom.

From Charles Whitman to the Sandy Hook shooter, for some reason killing family always plays a central role. A lot of misinformation going around, instead of killing 7 women it appears he knifed to death two young men first.
This kid=bonafide psycho.

5. Police visited him after he uploaded a series of disturbing YouTube videos. They left and he said he was thankful “all suspicion” of him was later “dropped.”

Of course. Is there ever a case where parents or cops actually stop these types of nuts? Bumbling detective on a cartoon level

6. Rodger details throughout his manifesto that he filled a void in his life with violent video games starting at a young age.

And yet he didn't join the marines. Strange.

[Luther Blissett]

1. "X Tragedy was a hoax" is pretty much on par with holocaust denial

2. So did we ever get a motive from the first one of these shooters...Charles Whitman? http://cinemadiscourse.com/cultural/?p=813

3, People are focusing online naturally to motive. This time running with the "nice guy" male entitlement theme. Another snot nosed punk kid who acted out violent fantasies, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev,
carried out the Boston marathon bombing as protest to America's killing of Muslims overseas. Who knows if any of these are the real trigger and sole reason though.

4. In a few days noone will be discussing this...until the next snot nosed 22 year old goes on a killing rampage. We'll have 55 page threads about the "CNN Reporting amusement park massacre" or "Report of a mass shooting at such and such mall". Or something really bizarre. Oh it might be because some 22 year old loner is distraught over bullies, or because he thinks he's the reincarnation of Genghis Khan or whatever the fuck.

And once again, people will miss the main issue that is always the main issue: GUNS.

5, I'm seeing all this focus on male privilege, slut shaming, etc. Yet noone wants to talk about the sickening and demeaning structure that's held firmly in place against women by BOTH genders. The horrible things young girls to older women continually spew forth about other women. The whole system is rotten. look how MOST violence, death, war, etc is caused by men. How most physical relationship abuse is by men. Yet women continue to support and "stand by their man". The continuing support by women of faiths and cultures that keep them down, or buying into this same system. These hashtag armchair "feminists" have nothing on the brave feminist marchers and activists of the civil rights era. I hate to say.

We should definitely be focusing on the guns in this case, but I see more common parallels with something like Oak Creek than with James Holmes or Jared Loughner.

[Searcher08]

As someone who has done a lot of online dating and asked many women about their experiences, I was appalled by the amount of sexting that goes on. Last year, I had it happen to me for the first time. A really pleasant professional woman I met on OKC and after exchanging a few messages, she sends me pics of her tits. She was surprised that, although she had great bazongas I found it, well, really naff. Loads of women reported having great exchanges with guys who then sent (not asked for)... cock pictures.
Girls at schools in the UK have this happen so much it seems to have been incorporated into dating as part of the process - if you dont exchange pics of your genitalia, you are seen as a snob or ouside the peer group. The boys are getting their sex-ed from porn and think if they are not hung like a porn actor they dont measure up. Many of the girls like 12-13 yr old girls regard oral sex as nothing. For me, this is creating insane expectations, removing any sense of fun / getting to know you ie depth and emotional intimacy. I saw a 14yr old niece of my ex turn into someone for whom her virginity was like an std (it was her biggest issue) and she acted and looked like a slutty brat. It took about two years for her to come out of this - it was all about facebook, who was seen with whom (not what they were doing), being seen being shitfaced all the time. I think the pressures and accepted at schools now are horrendous and a lot seemed to be driven by gonzo porn.

[JackRiddler]

For whatever reason, fedoras, medieval slang, "new aetheism" (see the RI thread for details) all started being used as symbols by a visible and vocal subset of men's rights activists.

I intensely dislike the New Atheism for its accommodations with the status quo economic system, Western supremacism, scientism and Islamophobia, but a direct connection to MRA (other than as different components of a dominance-obsessed culture) seems quite tenuous. And it doesn't come up at all in the RI thread...

The New Atheism and your probs with it, if any...
http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/view ... =8&t=35930

Check the MRA demographic survey link I posted earlier; religious affiliation with the younger crowd skews hard atheist. I don't think New Atheism is conflated with the MRM, but a lot of MRA atheists skew "New Atheist" if that makes any sense.

Oh, that makes perfect sense. You'd expect MRA, especially insofar as educated enough to even have opinions on the following matters, to converge with vulgar evolutionary psychology, social Darwinism, Bell Curve eugenics, support for hyper-capitalism, neocon politics, the set of beliefs I'd call "Winnerism" (I hope the mere name suffices to convey what I mean), bullying, narcissism, extreme consumerism, and New Atheism.

Even if none of these are necessary conflates. (There's even a species of corporate feminism that shares a lot of the above.)

Though Rodgers was a violent psychopath with an intensely hateful and illogical ideology, it certainly "made sense" in that it displayed coherence.

Even at the intellectual peaks, you may see a group of the same old men switching hats between their guises as New Atheists and as Darwinian reductionists.

http://edge.org/conversation/napoleon-c ... r-argument

NAPOLEON CHAGNON: BLOOD IS THEIR ARGUMENT
An Edge Special Event Napoleon Chagnon, Steven Pinker, Richard Wrangham, Daniel C. Dennett, David Haig [6.6.13]
Topic:
Conversations
Introduction By: Richard Dawkins


(L-R) Daniel C. Dennett, Napoleon Chagnon, David Haig, Steven Pinker, Richard Wrangham, John Brockman

"Napoleon Chagnon is a Living World Treasure. Arguably our greatest anthropologist ..." — Richard Dawkins, from the Introduction

Thanks to Steven Pinker for initiating and facilitating this Edge Special Event with Napoleon Chagnon, the last of the great ethnographers.

INTRODUCTION
By Richard Dawkins

Chagnon's extraordinary body of work will long be mined, not just by anthropologists but by psychologists, humanists, litterateurs, scientists of all kinds: mined for . . . who knows what insights into the deep roots of our humanity?

Napoleon Chagnon is a Living World Treasure. Arguably our greatest anthropologist, he is brave on two fronts. As a field worker in the Amazon forest he has lived, intimately and under conditions of great privation, with The Fierce People at considerable physical danger to himself. But the wooden clubs and poison-tipped arrows of the Yanomamö were matched by the verbal clubs and toxic barbs of his anthropologist colleagues in the journal pages and conference halls of the United States. And it is not hard to guess which armamentarium was the more disagreeable to him.

Chagnon committed the unforgivable sin, cardinal heresy in the eyes of a certain kind of social scientist: he took Darwin seriously. Along with a few friends and colleagues, Chagnon studied the up-to-date literature on natural selection theory, and with brilliant success he applied the ideas of Fisher, Hamilton, Trivers and other heirs of Darwin to a human tribe which probably ran as close to the cutting edge of natural selection as any in the world. It is sobering to reflect on how unconventional a step this was: science bursting into the quasi-literary world of the anthropology in which the young Chagnon was trained. Still today, in many American departments of social science, for a young researcher to announce a serious interest in Darwin's dangerous idea—even an inclination towards scientific thinking at all—can come close to career suicide.

In Chagnon's case the animosity spilled over from mere academic disagreement to personal slander, which was not merely untrue but diametrically opposite to the truth about this ethnographer and his decent and humane relationship with his subjects and friends. The episode serves as a dark lesson in what can happen when ideology is allowed to poison the well of academic study. While it is thankfully in the past, it blighted Chagnon's career, and I don't know whether the lesson for social science has been adequately learned.

Chagnon came along at just the right time for the Yanomamö and for scientific anthropology. Encroaching civilisation was about to close the last window on a tribal world that embodied vanishing clues to our own prehistory: a world of forest "gardens", of kin-groups fissioning into genetically salient sub-groups, of male combat over women and trans-generational revenge, complex alliances and enmities; webs of calculated obligation, debt, grudge and gratitude that might underlie much of our social psychology and even law, ethics and economics. Chagnon's extraordinary body of work will long be mined, not just by anthropologists but by psychologists, humanists, litterateurs, scientists of all kinds: mined for . . . who knows what insights into the deep roots of our humanity?

In his unique role as salon-host and impresario for science, John Brockman has performed what will come to be seen as an enduring service, by bringing Napoleon Chagnon together with four of today's leading Third Culture intellectuals: Daniel Dennett, Steven Pinker, Richard Wrangham and David Haig. Separately and in teams, these penetrating minds, combining deep scholarship with a rare ability to communicate and entertain, converse with Napoleon Chagnon and shed and reflect light on the life-work of a great anthropologist and a brave man.

—Richard Dawkins

But this is unfairly off-topic to the gentlemen pictured, given the title of this thread.

Although arguably, in his killing of men as well as women, Rodgers expressed a distortion or failure of the natural male drive to possess women and prevail in "male combat over women."

.

[JackRiddler]

(And never mind the America-centered approach, which would require a field 10+ times larger than this entire box to cover "Iraqis killed in Iraq.")

[Hunter]

Would someone kindly give me the laymans cliff notes version of what New Atheism is, I have googled it but I am just looking for the dumbed down version, I consider myself an Atheist by virtue of being a Buddhist and a belief that there is no higher power is a fundamental tenant of the Buddhist way of life, but I am not familiar with this term "New Atheism", please help if you feel up to it. Also looking on what sets it apart from just good old fashioned Atheism. Thanks in advance!

[minime]

I consider myself an Atheist by virtue of being a Buddhist and a belief that there is no higher power is a fundamental tenant of the Buddhist way of life

"by virtue of being a Buddhist..."

showing that you are a fundamental tenant of the Buddhist way of life.

The very heart of the problem.

[8bitagent]

again going to have to disagree with alternative media, social media and even some of my friends. The issue is guns. guns guns guns. As much as it is about spoiled rich kids.

This is one of the most devastatingly raw things ive ever seen interview wise. Made me cry when I saw it. Fuck Guns. Fuck the Alex Jones, Tea Party, Chicago Gangbangers, Military, Mexican cartels, Gun Nuts, and anyone else who worships the gun.
Yeah I know, it's not PC to shine a light away from the two female victims or the focus on misogyny...but right now Im looking at the boy who died and the courage his father has

[Hunter]

Nothing more painful in life than outliving your kids and think how much worse that is when they are senselessly and brutally murdered for no god damned good reason at all. Fuck, my heart goes out to the guy. What a tragic loss for these parents.

[8bitagent]

As someone who has done a lot of online dating and asked many women about their experiences, I was appalled by the amount of sexting that goes on. Last year, I had it happen to me for the first time. A really pleasant professional woman I met on OKC and after exchanging a few messages, she sends me pics of her tits. She was surprised that, although she had great bazongas I found it, well, really naff. Loads of women reported having great exchanges with guys who then sent (not asked for)... cock pictures.
Girls at schools in the UK have this happen so much it seems to have been incorporated into dating as part of the process - if you dont exchange pics of your genitalia, you are seen as a snob or ouside the peer group. The boys are getting their sex-ed from porn and think if they are not hung like a porn actor they dont measure up. Many of the girls like 12-13 yr old girls regard oral sex as nothing. For me, this is creating insane expectations, removing any sense of fun / getting to know you ie depth and emotional intimacy. I saw a 14yr old niece of my ex turn into someone for whom her virginity was like an std (it was her biggest issue) and she acted and looked like a slutty brat. It took about two years for her to come out of this - it was all about facebook, who was seen with whom (not what they were doing), being seen being shitfaced all the time. I think the pressures and accepted at schools now are horrendous and a lot seemed to be driven by gonzo porn.

Yep. Both boys and girls are brainwashed at an early age. It's not just the boorish, cliche programmed behavior of young men at bars, clubs, parties, raves, etc. It's the girls too for going to such places and playing into that whole paradigm and supporting guys like that.

I've talked to a number a women who use or have used dating sites, and EVERY ONE talked about the endless rude, crude (and often, spelling /grammar error heavy) messages and texts they get from men. Makes me sick
how cliche so many guys are. But I'm also sad women continue to play into this stuff. The girlfriend who lets her jackass boyfriend get her into meth, the women who vote for horrible politicians, etc. Call me a misogynist but Im calling out both sides to do better as HUMAN beings while also recognizing men's brainwashed horrid behavior(look at all the stories of how many women got groped and assaulted during the Egyptian revolution)