Moderators: Elvis, DrVolin, Jeff
Another is that I have no money to pay for this recockulous obamacare deadline that I have to meet in order to get my "refund" next year. Today is the day! Sign up and make a payment! I pay taxes! After which, the "exchanges" "close" later on today. I'm as left as they come but this ACA is a total scam and do not view it as an "improvement". Don't give me no deadline of when I can or can't "sign up" for something I view as a scam. If I don't want to be penalized, I have to act now! What a load of shit. It is all one grand capitalist funnel.
I think the majority of the most prominent anti-vaccination organizations have been compromised if not explicitly set up to make anyone with any legitimate concerns about vaccines look obviously unscientific.
…….Gary Hirshberg was a founding partner of Just Label It. He is the CEO of Stonyfield Farms, the famous yogurt company.
Of all the leaders in the labeling movement, Hirshberg is the most overtly political. Let’s look at his strange track record:
During the 2008 presidential campaign season, his home in New Hampshire was a mandatory stop for candidates. Hirshberg’s first choice for the Democratic nomination was the execrable Tom Vilsack until he dropped out of the race.
Hirshberg hosted gatherings for John Edwards and Barack Obama, and eventually decided to support Obama.
Obama, despite his nods and winks, was, from the beginning, Monsanto’s man in Washington, allowing an unprecedented parade of new GMO crops to enter growing fields and the marketplace, and appointing staunch biotech allies to key posts in his administration.
Vilsack, Gary Hirshberg’s first choice for President, became the Secretary of Agriculture under Obama. Vilsack is an avid supporter of GMO food. During his term as governor of Iowa, Vilsack was given a Governor of the Year award by the Biotechnology Industry Organization.
Hirshberg serves as a co-chairman of an organization called AGree (twitter). Its objective is to “build consensus around solutions” to “critical issues facing the food and agriculture system.” As researcher Nick Brannigan (twitter) has pointed out, AGree includes, among its foundation partners: the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the Ford Foundation, and the Rockefeller Foundation.
It would be hard to find foundations more friendly to, and supportive of, big corporate agriculture and GMOs.
Hirshberg is the author of Stirring It Up: How to Make Money and Save the World. He advocates revolution-by-the-consumer as an exceedingly powerful force.
It may be pretty to think so, but giving American consumers a clear choice about whether to buy GMO or non-GMO food, through labeling, isn’t going to push Monsanto up against the wall.
It isn’t going to stop Monsanto gene drift into non-GMO crops. It isn’t going to stop the aerial attack of toxic Roundup all over the planet.
But if mandatory labeling of GMOs fails, and all that’s left is voluntary labeling, Hirshberg could help launch Stonyfield Farms and other commercial ventures into new realms of profitability, by applying that “non-GMO” seal.
________________________________________
the Natural Products Association. It’s the largest trade and lobbying group in North America for natural nutritional-supplement companies. You’d think this group would be squarely in the camp of the anti-GMO movement, if the word “natural” means anything at all.
Well, the executive director of the Natural Products Association is Daniel Fabricant.
Pop quiz: what federal agency gave the original blanket approval, based on no science, for GMO crops, allowing them to enter the US food supply in the 1990s? Which agency has, for decades, consistently fought to whittle down the power and scope of the natural nutritional-supplement industry?
The FDA.
What was Daniel Fabricant’s job before he became executive director of the Natural Products Association?
Fabricant was director of the Division of Dietary Supplement Programs at the FDA.
In December of this year, the Natural Products Association held a webinar. As reported in the Food Navigator (12/19), “5 GMO myths dispelled,” one of its speakers was Greg Jaffe.
A lawyer, Jaffe (bio here) has logged stints with the EPA, FDA, DOJ, and World Bank—all groups that, in one way or another, have vigorously supported GMOs.
Jaffe proceeded to make a case for GMOs, “dispelling the myths” prevalent in the anti-GMO community.
So you have the leading trade group for the natural products industry giving a heavy wink and nod to GMO foods.
According to the Food Navigator article, Jaffe explained that the process of using bacteria to carry foreign genes into a food plant is really quite natural. Which is like saying that a glass eye is natural.
Then Jaffe presents the tired generality: “Evidence is overwhelming that there is no harm from foods made from current GE [genetic engineered] foods.” As “evidence,” he cites the FDA approval of biotech crops. The FDA—which has basically stated that Monsanto, Dow, and the other mega-giants are basically responsible for assuring the safety of GMOs.
All this cover for GMOs is being presented in a trade magazine vis-a-vis a trade group for the natural food products industry.
Is the war against Monsanto and GMOs and toxic herbicides rigged to fail?
Citing betrayal within the anti-GMO anti-Monsanto movement, an astute observer with large knowledge of the scene recently gave me his appraisal of what amounts to a covert op against the millions of people who want a healthier non-GMO future. Here’s how he succinctly described the men taking us down the wrong road:
“Gary Hirshberg is the pied piper, John Mackey [CEO of Whole Foods] is the money man, and Daniel Fabricant is the enforcer.”
Stefano wrote...certainly wasn't objective after I saw the kind of site that pushes the glyphosate-shikimate thing.I do understand your predicament, and apologize for being so rude.
The typical site that I looked at on Wednesday after googling it is something like Research Reveals Previously Unknown Pathway by which Glyphosate Wrecks Health, the top result, which is a shop window for health foods and products. All the articles I read on Wednesday about glyphosate's impact on gut bacteria cited Seneff and Samsel.
Yes indeed, the internets is one big crap fest. I do not keep much of an archive or reference material myself, so when I needed an answer to your query, I searched: ‘How glyphosates work’. Then the facts presented were used to make my case.
Existing empirical and antidotal evidence suggests to me that we have a serious contamination event here. And yet, leading edge thinkers seem pretty much blind to the issue, excepting Vandiva Singh, OK maybe others, but I can’t think of them offhand.
My two brothers-in-law were in town last week. They are great guys, sensitive but not adventurous in their thinking and with little care for deep politics. Still the one brother, maybe from watching a banker exposé vid, was relating the Wizard of Oz characters with various roles in the social structure. All well placed. The second brother then said that he had seen a vid about this also, but the characters had different roles than the ones described a minute before by his brother.
I then suggested than unless a person has a nose for this sort of thing it’s probably best to steer clear or at least to never take any one thing to seriously. I explained that any time there is a ‘popular’ meme floating about, that PR companies have a field day making a dozen variations because (they figger) confused people are easier to manipulate.
You make your last point well, thanks.
This earlier response to Dr. Evil addresses poison pill abuse, (perhaps your case is one of use rather than abuse, as those things are hard to pin down sometimes.)
Given that you chose to settle on a non-element of the story, by bringing up a known fraudster, suggests that said well known fraudster is serving his purpose, and quite well.
This class of ‘activists’ are worth their weight in gold to the big PR firms.
They are dual purpose, first to allow (more discriminating) peripheral news hounds to bury their cognitive dissonance so as to not have to consider disturbing implications regarding the probable truth of at least certain elements of some stories.
Then of course there are the (less discriminating) saps that look to these actors to fix their own cognitive dissonance, only to be led into blind alleys with an eventual result of another beaten soul settling back into straight normative thinking.
i can't believe you thought it was going to turn out any other way. as left as they come? so where would that be exactly? so something leftist turned out capitalist. makes sense to me. i can't believe that i believe my contribution to civilization consists in telling my fellow sovereign citizens that it is metaphysically impossible for a violent government empowered by an emotional democratic mob to orchestrate action in sync with the original emotions that authorized the violence in the first place. that such fallacious beliefs and actions are the tools of our own oppression.
DrEvil » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:13 pm wrote:I for one applaud the new law in California. Vaccines are one of the greatest health related innovations in human history and have saved literally millions of children from horrible deaths. Something like 150000 children still die from measles every year (158000 in 2011 by WHO estimates), but noooo, we can't vaccinate, because there's a miniscule chance that there will be a side-effect. Anti-vaxxers have blood on their hands.
BrandonD » Wed Jul 01, 2015 2:46 am wrote:DrEvil » Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:13 pm wrote:I for one applaud the new law in California. Vaccines are one of the greatest health related innovations in human history and have saved literally millions of children from horrible deaths. Something like 150000 children still die from measles every year (158000 in 2011 by WHO estimates), but noooo, we can't vaccinate, because there's a miniscule chance that there will be a side-effect. Anti-vaxxers have blood on their hands.
As has been stated on this thread multiple times, it appears that the basic theory behind vaccination science is sound. However, there does exist legitimate evidence that the "chance" you refer to above may be greater than minuscule, and that the side-effects may be quite serious.
This is a nuanced subject, and should be treated as such.
Do you believe the members of a profit-making medical industry - being "regulated" by its own CEOs - are too morally pure to place profits over human health? I don't consider this a wise assumption to make.
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm#hepb
Hepatitis B vaccine side-effects
What are the risks from hepatitis B vaccine?
Hepatitis B is a very safe vaccine. Most people do not have any problems with it.
The vaccine contains non-infectious material, and cannot cause hepatitis B infection.
Some mild problems have been reported
Soreness where the shot was given (up to about 1 person 4)
Temperature of 99.9°F or higher (up to about 1
person in 15).
Severe problems are extremely rare. Severe allergic reactions are believed to occur about once in 1.1 million doses.
A vaccine, like any medicine, could cause a serious reaction. But the risk of a vaccine causing serious harm, or death, is extremely small. More than 100 million people in the United States have been vaccinated with hepatitis B vaccine.
This information was taken directly from the Hepatitis B VIS
(This information taken from Hepatitis B VIS dated 2/2/12. If the actual VIS is more recent than this date, the information on this page needs to be updated.)
https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2011/04/25/us-concedes-hep-b-causes-lupus/ links to journals included in footnotes...
Recombinant hepatitis B vaccine and the risk of multiple sclerosis
NEUROLOGY 2004;63:838-842
A prospective study
Miguel A. Hernán, MD, DrPH, Susan S. Jick, DSc, Michael J. Olek, DO and Hershel Jick, MD
From the Department of Epidemiology (Dr. Hernán), Harvard School of Public Health, Boston; Boston Collaborative Drug Surveillance Program (Drs. Susan S. Jick and Hershel Jick), Boston University, Lexington, MA; and Department of Neurology (Dr. Olek), College of Medicine, University of California, Irvine.
Background: A potential link between the recombinant hepatitisB vaccine and an increased risk of multiple sclerosis (MS) hasbeen evaluated in several studies, but some of them have substantialmethodologic limitations.
Methods: The authors conducted a nested case-control study withinthe General Practice Research Database (GPRD) in the UnitedKingdom. The authors identified patients who had a first MSdiagnosis recorded in the GPRD between January 1993 and December2000. Cases were patients with a diagnosis of MS confirmed throughexamination of medical records, and with at least 3 years ofcontinuous recording in the GPRD before their date of firstsymptoms (index date). Up to 10 controls per case were randomlyselected, matched on age, sex, practice, and date of joiningthe practice. Information on receipt of immunizations was obtainedfrom the computer records.
Results: The analyses include 163 cases of MS and 1,604 controls.The OR of MS for vaccination within 3 years before the indexdate compared to no vaccination was 3.1 (95% CI 1.5, 6.3). Noincreased risk of MS was associated with tetanus and influenzavaccinations.
Conclusions: These findings are consistent with the hypothesisthat immunization with the recombinant hepatitis B vaccine isassociated with an increased risk of MS, and challenge the ideathat the relation between hepatitis B vaccination and risk ofMS is well understood.
Received March 31, 2004. Accepted in final form May 8, 2004
“Multiple sclerosis and hepatitis B vaccination: Adding the credibility of molecular biology to an unusual level of clinical and epidemiological evidence” Comenge Y; Girard M (Med Hypotheses, doi 10.1016/j.mehy.2005.08.012) .
http://www.rxlist.com/recombivax-side-effects-drug-center.htm
In a group of studies, 3258 doses of RECOMBIVAX HB, 10 mcg, were administered to 1252 healthy adults who were monitored for 5 days after each dose. Injection site reactions and systemic adverse reactions were reported following 17% and 15% of the injections, respectively. The following adverse reactions were reported:
Incidence Equal To or Greater Than 1% of Injections
General Disorders And Administration Site Conditions
Injection site reactions consisting principally of soreness, and including pain, tenderness, pruritus, erythema, ecchymosis, swelling, warmth, nodule formation.
The most frequent systemic complaints include fatigue/weakness; headache; fever ( ≥ 100°F); malaise.
Gastrointestinal Disorders
Nausea; diarrhea
Respiratory, Thoracic And Mediastinal Disorders
Pharyngitis; upper respiratory infection
Incidence Less Than 1% of Injections
General Disorders And Administration Site Conditions
Sweating; achiness; sensation of warmth; lightheadedness; chills; flushing
Gastrointestinal Disorders
Vomiting; abdominal pains/cramps; dyspepsia; diminished appetite
Respiratory, Thoracic And Mediastinal Disorders
Rhinitis; influenza; cough
Nervous System Disorders
Vertigo/dizziness; paresthesia
Skin And Subcutaneous Tissue Disorders
Pruritus; rash (non-specified); angioedema; urticaria
Musculoskeletal And Connective Tissue Disorders
Arthralgia including monoarticular; myalgia; back pain; neck pain; shoulder pain; neck stiffness
Blood And Lymphatic Disorders
Lymphadenopathy
Psychiatric Disorders
Insomnia/disturbed sleep
Ear And Labyrinth Disorders
Earache
Renal And Urinary Disorders
Dysuria
Cardiac Disorders
Hypotension
Post-Marketing Experience
The following additional adverse reactions have been reported with use of the marketed vaccine. Because these reactions are reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, it is not possible to reliably estimate their frequency or establish a causal relationship to a vaccine exposure.
Immune System Disorders
Hypersensitivity reactions including anaphylactic/anaphylactoid reactions, bronchospasm, and urticaria have been reported within the first few hours after vaccination. An apparent hypersensitivity syndrome (serum-sickness-like) of delayed onset has been reported days to weeks after vaccination, including: arthralgia/arthritis (usually transient), fever, and dermatologic reactions such as urticaria, erythema multiforme, ecchymoses and erythema nodosum [see WARNINGS AND PRECAUTIONS]. Autoimmune diseases including systemic lupus erythematosus (SLE), lupus-like syndrome, vasculitis, and polyarteritis nodosa have also been reported.
Gastrointestinal Disorders
Elevation of liver enzymes; constipation
Nervous System Disorders
Guillain-Barré syndrome; multiple sclerosis; exacerbation of multiple sclerosis; myelitis including transverse myelitis; seizure; febrile seizure; peripheral neuropathy including Bell's Palsy; radiculopathy; herpes zoster; migraine; muscle weakness; hypesthesia; encephalitis
Skin and Subcutaneous Disorders
Stevens-Johnson syndrome; alopecia; petechiae; eczema
Musculoskeletal and Connective Tissue Disorders
Arthritis
Pain in extremity
Blood and Lymphatic System Disorders
Increased erythrocyte sedimentation rate; thrombocytopenia
Psychiatric Disorders
Irritability; agitation; somnolence
Eye Disorders
Optic neuritis; tinnitus; conjunctivitis; visual disturbances; uveitis
Cardiac Disorders
Syncope; tachycardia
The following adverse reaction has been reported with another Hepatitis B Vaccine (Recombinant) but not with RECOMBIVAX HB: keratitis.
alwyn » 30 Jun 2015 22:19 wrote:Recombinant hepatitis B vaccine and the risk of multiple sclerosis
NEUROLOGY 2004;63:838-842
A prospective study
Miguel A. Hernán, MD, DrPH, Susan S. Jick, DSc, Michael J. Olek, DO and Hershel Jick, MD
From the Department of Epidemiology (Dr. Hernán), Harvard School of Public Health, Boston; Boston Collaborative Drug Surveillance Program (Drs. Susan S. Jick and Hershel Jick), Boston University, Lexington, MA; and Department of Neurology (Dr. Olek), College of Medicine, University of California, Irvine.
Background: A potential link between the recombinant hepatitisB vaccine and an increased risk of multiple sclerosis (MS) hasbeen evaluated in several studies, but some of them have substantialmethodologic limitations.
Methods: The authors conducted a nested case-control study withinthe General Practice Research Database (GPRD) in the UnitedKingdom. The authors identified patients who had a first MSdiagnosis recorded in the GPRD between January 1993 and December2000. Cases were patients with a diagnosis of MS confirmed throughexamination of medical records, and with at least 3 years ofcontinuous recording in the GPRD before their date of firstsymptoms (index date). Up to 10 controls per case were randomlyselected, matched on age, sex, practice, and date of joiningthe practice. Information on receipt of immunizations was obtainedfrom the computer records.
Results: The analyses include 163 cases of MS and 1,604 controls.The OR of MS for vaccination within 3 years before the indexdate compared to no vaccination was 3.1 (95% CI 1.5, 6.3). Noincreased risk of MS was associated with tetanus and influenzavaccinations.
Conclusions: These findings are consistent with the hypothesisthat immunization with the recombinant hepatitis B vaccine isassociated with an increased risk of MS, and challenge the ideathat the relation between hepatitis B vaccination and risk ofMS is well understood.
[/url]
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 6 guests