Who is Ken O'Keefe?

[AlicetheKurious]

If he is as bad as you say, then yes maybe he's ultimately not worth listening to. Too much noise to weed through to get the signal.

If you let solace be your guide to what's worth listening to, you will have to put me on "ignore" too. And just to be perfectly safe, you can limit your reading and knowledge about anything to do with the Arab world or Israel to what's available at the ADL website. And then you, yes you, can be as well-informed and articulate as solace is, about Middle East history and politics. Have fun.

[Nordic]

Yeah Solace is like the pile of dog shit you find in your front yard because somebody didn't clean up after their dog. Not really worth trying to integrate it into your landscape. Best if you can just quit having to step over it and get rid of it. Just a nasty pile of noxious goo. Unfortunately nobody here with a shovel seems to want to go to the trouble.

[Searcher08]

If he is as bad as you say, then yes maybe he's ultimately not worth listening to. Too much noise to weed through to get the signal.

If you let solace be your guide to what's worth listening to, you will have to put me on "ignore" too. And just to be perfectly safe, you can limit your reading and knowledge about anything to do with the Arab world or Israel to what's available at the ADL website. And then you, yes you, can be as well-informed and articulate as solace is, about Middle East history and politics. Have fun.

The degree of insight, analysis and collaborative thinking is quite astounding.

For me, it is like having an teenage Israeli 'CarpetBagger'(*) on the site, who lob bags full of poop down the hillside onto Palestinian villages below.

I wish hava was here

(*) aka 'Settler'

Just to mention that in solace's rant, Ken O'Keefe was screeched at for wearing a tear tattoo. A tear tattoo can have multiple meanings. Amy Winehouse had one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teardrop_tattoo

[brainpanhandler]

Yeah Solace is like the pile of dog shit you find in your front yard because somebody didn't clean up after their dog. Not really worth trying to integrate it into your landscape. Best if you can just quit having to step over it and get rid of it. Just a nasty pile of noxious goo. Unfortunately nobody here with a shovel seems to want to go to the trouble.

Interesting metaphor.

I don't agree with Solace's view of O'keefe at all. I think O'keefe is a much more complex figure than he does apparently.

But saying another member is like a "pile of dogshit" or a "nasty pile of noxious goo" is sort of like calling them something worse than vermin, which is a bit ironic, don't you think?

[Searcher08]

Yeah Solace is like the pile of dog shit you find in your front yard because somebody didn't clean up after their dog. Not really worth trying to integrate it into your landscape. Best if you can just quit having to step over it and get rid of it. Just a nasty pile of noxious goo. Unfortunately nobody here with a shovel seems to want to go to the trouble.

Interesting metaphor.

I don't agree with Solace's view of O'Keefe at all. I think O'keefe is a much more complex figure than he does apparently.

But saying another member is like a "pile of dogshit" or a "nasty pile of noxious goo" is sort of like calling them something worse than vermin, which is a bit ironic, don't you think?

I read it as a complaint about her continued toleration by WR; think a more useful metaphor is dealing with an Israeli Settler in the our Cantina. Or being visited by Captain CopyPasta and the Tourettes WonderGirl.

The fact that I see them adding zero value is ultimately just my business, the fact they are disrupting the bar is the Barkeepers business - I just drink here.

[brainpanhandler]

Yeah Solace is like the pile of dog shit you find in your front yard because somebody didn't clean up after their dog. Not really worth trying to integrate it into your landscape. Best if you can just quit having to step over it and get rid of it. Just a nasty pile of noxious goo. Unfortunately nobody here with a shovel seems to want to go to the trouble.

Interesting metaphor.

I don't agree with Solace's view of O'Keefe at all. I think O'keefe is a much more complex figure than he does apparently.

But saying another member is like a "pile of dogshit" or a "nasty pile of noxious goo" is sort of like calling them something worse than vermin, which is a bit ironic, don't you think?

I read it as a complaint about her continued toleration by WR; think a more useful metaphor is dealing with an Israeli Settler in the our Cantina. Or being visited by Captain CopyPasta and the Tourettes WonderGirl.

The fact that I see them adding zero value is ultimately just my business, the fact they are disrupting the bar is the Barkeepers business - I just drink here.

I think it is a safe bet that it was known that both AD and Solace were going to be drawn to this thread and have something to say in it. A brief search with the board's search function for "ken O'keefe" would have uncovered an extensive thread on him:

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=36839&hilit=ken+o%27keefe

[Searcher08]

Yeah Solace is like the pile of dog shit you find in your front yard because somebody didn't clean up after their dog. Not really worth trying to integrate it into your landscape. Best if you can just quit having to step over it and get rid of it. Just a nasty pile of noxious goo. Unfortunately nobody here with a shovel seems to want to go to the trouble.

Interesting metaphor.

I don't agree with Solace's view of O'Keefe at all. I think O'keefe is a much more complex figure than he does apparently.

But saying another member is like a "pile of dogshit" or a "nasty pile of noxious goo" is sort of like calling them something worse than vermin, which is a bit ironic, don't you think?

I read it as a complaint about her continued toleration by WR; think a more useful metaphor is dealing with an Israeli Settler in the our Cantina. Or being visited by Captain CopyPasta and the Tourettes WonderGirl.

The fact that I see them adding zero value is ultimately just my business, the fact they are disrupting the bar is the Barkeepers business - I just drink here.

I think it is a safe bet that it was known that both AD and Solace were going to be drawn to this thread and have something to say in it. A brief search with the board's search function for "ken O'keefe" would have uncovered an extensive thread on him:

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=36839&hilit=ken+o%27keefe

Upthread,
http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=39360#p580338

Talking of interesting metaphors, what do you make of the underlying metaphor of AD's 'contagion'? This is not in 'critical thinking' Guilt by Association fallacy territory - it is a way of structuring an entire approach to perceiving the world. It is a very rich metaphorical structure at play - people then start being seen as 'vectors' for 'disease' requiring 'containment' and 'isolation' from the 'herd' and have to go through a Spencer Sunshine created 'de-contamination process'.

It reminds me of (in a Forum context) being driven by a Story, which ultimately is just about being right.

I see that as far more dangerous, corrupting and covert than anything represented by O'Keefe.

[seemslikeadream]

after YEARS of accusations of being an anti-semite...a fucking anti-semite it kinda leaves a bad taste in ones mouth and that vomit sandwich sensation never goes away especially when a reminder comes out of the blue from the hurler in chief after a month or two off...hence the memory of an elephant


and NO one absolutely NO member of RI gets away with what solace has done here over the years to a couple of RI folks .... if you are not a target of his you have no idea what it is like...the vile was directed only at me for a long time with no real consequence so he moved with his trash to other people

[zangtang]

thing about being called 'an' anti-semite......which i'm pretty sure has lost much (but by no means all) of its meaning - even if it originally had a defined/technical precise meaning.
- and that can only be the fault of people who (relentlessly & oftentimes with mindfucking degrees of self-righteousness) hurl it around like monkey shit.

Like ammunition that changes its calibre according to the bore of the person who fires it.

[seemslikeadream]

well he did give fair warning that if you cross him he will go on a hunt of very post you have ever made on the internet looking for incriminating evidence....I know he did it to me..he went through 60,000 posts I have made here and at DemocraticUnderground....and found NOTHING but that never stopped him from annoying me...seems a bit obsessive if not down right stalking

[zangtang]

well i'm not a mental health professional but i play one on tv, and i can tell you that looks pretty cut'n'dried.

- a suitable case for treatment.

we should get back to this O'keefe chap before he gets lonely. He certainly lays waste in these talking head innerviews.......

[DrEvil]

People naturally gravitate toward ideology, gurus, officialdom, belief, ego, etc., instead of embracing researchable information that can be verified or substantiated independent of any ideology, guru, or official they believe in. Therefore, dividing us up into Democrats and Republicans, liberals and conservatives, on top of all of our other differences guarantees lack of critical thought and the derogatory labeling of people who refuse to conform to one or the other, while, at the same time, encouraging group think/herd mentality.

This is a liberal forum, so critical thinking and questions that might perturb liberal doctrine, or that appears to, God-forbid, advance conservative doctrine are, if not banned, strongly advised against. So, for example...

If you ask questions about the Holocaust, you are a Neo-Nazi Holocaust denier.

If you question or criticize Israel, or dislike any Jewish group and/or person of note, you are an anti-Semite.

If you question the the grass-roots origins and possible underlying agenda of groups like Black Lives Matter, you are a racist.

If you question or criticize the grass-roots origins and possible underlying agenda of current gay rights politics, you are a homophobic hater.

If you question or criticize academia/corporate/state sanctioned science--for ex. anthropomorphic climate change, evolution, etc.--you are an ultra-conservative religious fanatic or just plain stupid.

If you question or criticize abortion, you are a right-winged misogynist, and probably a homophobic, religious fanatic despite the historical eugenics/Nazi roots of Planned Parenthood.

If you question the mainstream media or any part of any official narrative, no matter how much that narrative defies/contradicts reality and/or common sense, or simply apply critical thinking, you are a nutty conspiracy theorist who belongs in an insane asylum.

If you question or criticize what the establishment calls capitalism, you are an anti-American and more than likely a commie pinko fascist.

and the list goes on and on...



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Wut? Are we reading the same forum? In my experience most of those points are the exact opposite of what you're saying.

[backtoiam]

Solace thinks Judaism means you get to buy a condo on stolen land and call yourself a "settler" knowing full well you can kill and terrorize the original inhabitants all you want with complete immunity. It's Sadism City.

Apparently that is her definition. Go in somebodys house. Turn a dog loose on them and let the dogs chew off the faces of the children. Shoot everybody. Call the bulldozers and push the house and the bodies into a pile. Burn it. Build condos on the site. And let settlers move in. She thinks that is cool.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Yeah Solace is like the pile of dog shit you find in your front yard because somebody didn't clean up after their dog. Not really worth trying to integrate it into your landscape. Best if you can just quit having to step over it and get rid of it. Just a nasty pile of noxious goo. Unfortunately nobody here with a shovel seems to want to go to the trouble.

I don't think it would be especially hard to make a case to an objective person that Ken O'Keefe has said some pretty odd shit about the Jews. When I first started using internet forums in 1996, I would get whole-body somatic responses to words on a screen; I couldn't take an insult as anything but a provocation to fight, problematic stuff when you're alone in a room with a computer. (For the record, my home computer body count stands at seven. I wish I could pretend that was just youth, but my most recent victim was in 2013.)

Thank fuck for real life, though. Twitter, too: that's definitely helped me cultivate total detachment. I don't even sweat death threats at this point, which is a good thing because those are so seldom serious.

All that is to say: what the fuck, you guys? Sure, you've got a hasbra attack dog nibbling at your digi-heels, but what does it matter? Why does it bother you so much? Let me rephrase that -- I don't care about "why," after all, and it's not what I'm really digging for: how can it bother you so much? How? Especially when it is mostly such juvenile drive-by sniping, especially when it is just a remix of the same 20 words, every time.

I'm fascinated by how effective "Anti-Semite" is. And I think we're actively participating in that. You can't invoke "what society thinks" because it's just us here. I'm one of a handful of morons here who have tendered enough personal information to actually lose their job in real life as a result of the material here -- most of you are so insulated it's wonder you give a fuck. To me.

Anyways. That comment above got "reported," a function I haven't seen used properly since 2014, and it while it is a violation of rules and etc, we'll call this a written warning, a law enforcement innovation I'm pretty fond of.

I can't take claims of "disruption" seriously when y'all so clearly enjoy being disrupted. There's a lot participation here. I leave you to it.

[backtoiam]

I think the million dollar question is that serious thinkers are wondering why the Hasbara trolls are not swept out of the house.