Pentagon censors 10 mins of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed tape

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Pentagon censors 10 mins of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed tape

Postby Jeff » Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:54 pm

Pentagon releases censored tape of 9/11 suspect
Alleged mastermind's justification for waging jihad against U.S. omitted

Sept 13

WASHINGTON - The Pentagon has censored an audio tape of the suspected mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks speaking at a military hearing — cutting out Khalid Sheikh Mohammed’s justification for waging jihad against the United States.

After months of debate by several federal agencies, the Defense Department released the tape Thursday. Cut from it was 10 minutes of a more than 40-minute closed court session at Guantanamo Bay to determine whether Mohammed should be declared an “enemy combatant.”

Since the March hearing, Mohammed has been assigned “enemy combatant” status, a classification the Bush administration says allows it to hold him indefinitely and prosecute him at a military tribunal.

Officials from the CIA, FBI, State Department and others listened to the tape and feared it could be copied and edited by other militants for use as propaganda, officials said.

“It was determined that the release of this portion of the spoken words of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed would enable enemies of the United States to use it in a way to recruit or encourage future terrorists or terrorist activities,” said Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman. That could put U.S. lives at risk, he said.

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Postby FourthBase » Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:28 pm

“It was determined that the release of this portion of the spoken words of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed would enable enemies of the United States to use it in a way to recruit or encourage future terrorists or terrorist activities,” said Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman. That could put U.S. lives at risk, he said.


Now there's a slippery fucking slope.
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Postby 8bitagent » Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:01 pm

FourthBase wrote:
“It was determined that the release of this portion of the spoken words of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed would enable enemies of the United States to use it in a way to recruit or encourage future terrorists or terrorist activities,” said Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman. That could put U.S. lives at risk, he said.


Now there's a slippery fucking slope.


I think by 2002, KSM had outlived his usefulness as a puppet to Pakistani Intelligence and Qatari royals, and has definately outlived his usefulness to "al Qaeda".

Khalid Ron Jeremy can go sit in a corner and talk about how hes behind Katrina, Anna Nicole Smith and the Easter Bunny some more.

What just sickens me is the US government tortured his children as part of "obtaining a confession"

They already knew KSM was just a puppet of ISI and other intelligence, and did not "mastermind" 9/11
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Postby FourthBase » Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:38 am

Can we at least get, you know, a transcript?
Or would the mere written words inspire spontaneous terrorism?

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The bin Laden Channel.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:26 am

Oh, that guy's too dangerous to broadcast in full but not 'bin Laden.' :roll:

I'm expecting Disney to add The bin Laden Channel next to the Hitler Channel and the Military Channel.

bin Laden says: " Single payer healthcare!" oooooohh.... :shock:
CIA runs mainstream media since WWII:
news rooms, movies/TV, publishing
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Disney is CIA for kidz!
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Postby MacCruiskeen » Fri Sep 14, 2007 7:48 am

Alleged mastermind's [alleged] justification for waging jihad against U.S. [allegedly] omitted


Well, so we're told, by the trustworthy Pentagon. They are alleging that this is a faithful description of what they omitted, but there is no reason to believe them and every reason to disbelieve them. In fact, we have no way of knowing what has been omitted, what has been invented, and what has been gabbled in desperation by KSM in an effort to evade further torture or the torture of his children.

From an interview with Ron Suskind:

SPIEGEL ONLINE: With waterboarding, the prisoner is made to feel as though he is drowning, even if he isn't really at risk of dying. There are reports that Mohammed was a kind of unoffical record-holder when it came to waterboarding.

Suskind: With extraordinary minutes passing he earned a sort of grudging respect from interrogators. The thing they did with Mohammed is that we had captured his children, a boy and a girl, age 7 and 9. And at the darkest moment we threatened grievous injury to his children if he did not cooperate. His response was quite clear: "That's fine. You can do what you want to my children, and they will find a better place with Allah." ...

http://qlipoth.blogspot.com/2006/10/we- ... ry-to.html


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The journalists Brian Ross and Richard Esposito described the CIA's waterboarding technique as follows:

The prisoner is bound to an inclined board, feet raised and head lightly below the feet. Cellophane is wrapped over the prisoner's face and water is poured over him. Unavoidably, the gag reflex kicks in and a terrifying fear of drowning leads to almost instant pleas to bring the treatment to a halt. According to the sources, CIA officers who subjected themselves to the water boarding technique lasted an average of 14 seconds before caving in. They said al Qaeda's toughest prisoner, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, won the admiration of interrogators when he was able to last over two minutes before begging to confess.

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/print?id=1322866


("Confess" should be in inverted commas. He probably "confessed" to the assassination of Abe Lincoln as well.)

Let's recall that the "confessions" allegedly thus extracted from Khalid Sheik Mohammed (and from Ramzi Binalshibh) are practically the only "evidence" ever adduced against the 19 alleged hijackers of September 11th. We are expected to take it on trust that these two men are in fact in US custody, that they gave confessions, and that such confessions are credible.

In fact, we don't even know for certain that these two men still exist. No one outside of the US military has ever seen either of them since their alleged arrests.

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The arrest of Ramzi Binalshibh (his eyes are unmistakable).
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Postby 8bitagent » Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:12 pm

The thing they did with Mohammed is that we had captured his children, a boy and a girl, age 7 and 9. And at the darkest moment we threatened grievous injury to his children if he did not cooperate. His response was quite clear: "That's fine. You can do what you want to my children, and they will find a better place with Allah." ...

Both KSM and his CIA handlers should be served justice

KSM, for being a willing deadly puppet of ISI and royal elites...
the people doing the torture/threatening his kids for being a willing puppet of the war machine powers

Of course, both need eachother in a sick dysfunctional way
US government-cia-millitary/al Qaeda=controlled by same forces

How come they claim KSM is the mastermind, but then in the media they claim Osama is the mastermind and did it all?
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Postby FourthBase » Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:36 am

Hold on a second...I just read that the transcript IS available to the public.

Where?
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Re: Pentagon censors 10 mins of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed tape

Postby MinM » Wed May 11, 2016 7:54 pm

9/11 judge and prosecutors should step down over 'destroyed evidence', defense demands

Move throws case against Khalid Sheikh Mohammed into chaos as defense team says ‘fatally flawed’ Guantánamo military tribunal should be ended

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An explosive allegation about destroyed evidence threatens to unravel the already shaky military tribunal for the alleged architect of the 9/11 terrorist attacks

Attorneys for Khalid Sheikh Mohammed are calling on the judge and the entire prosecution team in Mohammed’s military commission at Guantánamo Bay to step down from the long-running case over what a member of the defense team called “at least the appearance of collusion” that led to the government apparently secretly destroying information relevant to the premier post-9/11 tribunal.

The defense team further argues that the destruction of evidence ought to spell the end of Mohammed’s military trial entirely, a development that would leave the Obama administration and its successor to come up with an entirely new plan for what to do with the top terror suspect in US custody.

“Now, and indeed over other matters previously, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed’s military commission is fatally flawed,” said David Nevin, Mohammed’s lead attorney.

The prosecution in the 9/11 military tribunal is seeking the death penalty for the self-described architect of the attacks, who has been in US custody for more than 12 years.

The details of what happened are not known because the unclassified legal filing is not yet publicly available. The specific allegations were filed yesterday before the commission, but the filing must clear a routine security review that all such legal documents before the commission undergo.

Marine Corps Maj Derek Poteet, another member of Mohammed’s defense team, said that the move to call for the removal of the judge, Army Col James Pohl, and the prosecution team headed by Army Brig Gen Mark Martins is “something you do not do lightly”.

Poteet said: “I have great respect for Colonel Pohl and Brigadier General Martins, and accordingly I am disappointed, disturbed and sad that we found it necessary to file this motion.”


Martins, a widely respected officer whose final military service will be presiding over the military commissions, told the Guardian that he would not comment on an issue before the tribunal.

Cmdr Gary Ross, the Pentagon’s spokesman for detentions and military commissions, said “it would be inappropriate to comment on a document not yet released to the public”.

Poteet said the rules around discussing classified or protected information limited his ability to describe the case. As he spoke with the Guardian, his defense department-appointed security officer was on the call to advise him about his answers. Nevin also said he was restricted from discussing the matter beyond its vaguest outlines.

But Poteet said that roughly two years ago, the prosecution in the tribunal relayed a request by the US government to destroy evidence relevant to both the guilt phase and the sentencing phase of Mohammed’s trial. Pohl issued an order instructing the government not to destroy the evidence, pending a further order. Attorneys for Mohammed did not take further legal action, as they considered the matter settled.

But around late December 2015, the defense team received what the lead attorney Nevin called a “hint from the prosecution that the evidence was no longer available to us”.

On 10 February, the defense team received a sealed order from Pohl revealing that 20 months earlier, the judge had permitted the government to destroy the evidence.

Poteet said that had the defense team been alerted to Pohl’s reversal of his evidence-destruction order, it would have attempted to stop it.

“There’s at least the appearance of collusion between the prosecution and the judge. We’re not saying more than that, but there is that appearance,” Poteet said.

Mohammed has been in US custody since 2003. CIA operatives waterboarded him 183 times in a single month early in his detention. Earlier attempts at both military tribunals and federal criminal trials for him and his co-defendants have both failed. Congress has passed a law preventing the Pentagon from transferring Guantánamo detainees to the US, for trial or other imprisonment. The second military tribunal of Mohammed and his co-defendants has lasted four years without yet reaching the trial phase.

Nevin and Poteet said that they were ultimately seeking the end of Mohammed’s military commission, even if Pohl recuses himself in favor of a different available military judge and a new prosecution is appointed. “The effect is there would be no further prosecution,” Nevin said.

Even if the defense team’s motion fails and Mohammed is ultimately found guilty, Poteet said Mohammed’s attorneys were likely to bring up the evidence destruction issue at sentencing, another indicator of how protracted a legal resolution of the 9/11 attacks has become.

The government must respond to the motion within 14 days. Underscoring the uncertainty of the situation, the next pre-trial hearing in the case is slated for the end of May, but Pohl may not take up the question of whether he should recuse himself and the prosecution from the case, as several other outstanding issues are already on the commission’s agenda.

James Connell, an attorney for Mohammed’s co-defendant Ammar al-Baluchi, said that among the 9/11 defense teams, “there’s a difference of opinion as to whose fault” the destruction of evidence is. Connell said he was “considering my options” on calling for Pohl’s removal.

“At the very least, the prosecution team manipulated the system that resulted in the destruction of evidence,” Connell told the Guardian.

Asked if the evidence destruction had moved the already turbulent 9/11 military tribunal into uncharted territory, Nevin said: “We’ve been in uncharted territory for a long time. And this is another instance of it.”

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016 ... d-evidence

dranek7 » Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:25 pm wrote:KSM likely would have said "from A to Z" because he was educated at colleges in North Carolina.

According to wikipedia, he spent a few years at a tiny baptist school. I would not be surprised if he was really a Bush-cult rapturist Christian. I also would not be surprised if he has been dead for years or is still employed by the USG at Gitmo in an advisory position.
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