Orlando / Pulse Mass Shooting Thread

[Novem5er]

Maybe he's exaggerated, but its disrespectful to the victims and their families. Oh, I'm not saying that we dare not question reality because it make come across as upsetting to someone or disrespectful to our ancestors, but for fucks sake, questioning the validity of victims because they aren't covered with enough blood for your viewing pleasure? That's disgusting. He can clarify if he likes.

Regarding the video quality, it's no mystery. Yes, cellphones have decent video quality now, but are shit when it comes to bad lighting. Not to mention these are not the original videos, these are the compressed version that are shared on YouTube and ABC news. Hell, they are probably the compressed videos of compressed videos. I have video maker friends who complain all the time that YouTube makes their stuff look like shit b/c it compresses it funny. Video game makers complain because it makes their multi-million dollar game look like shit.

Bad lighting and video compression is easier to believe than ludicrous conspiracy that it's all fake: fake footage, fake people, face victims, fake witnesses, fake families, fake Facebook profiles. For fuck's sake it'd be just easier for TPTB to just shoot up a place.

[Elihu]

FWIW I put backtoiam on ignore so I don't have to read his Grade Z ignorant musings. I don't care if he gets suspended or not. I do think pulls the bell curve of RI very hard to the left.

i thought you were a hollywood camera guy whats your take on it? and what he said, he claimed some camera exp

I expressed my take on it very clearly earlier. He doesn't have a clue. There's nothing whatsoever to indicate those cell phone videos were faked. It's laughable. Put him on ignore, your brain will thank you.

i think he's more saying cell phone video of staged events rather than doctored video, point of clarification. there's got to be gore, and truckloads of it i regret to agree numbers and all. full disclosure i can't bring myself to look at those vids. the covers remind me of BWproj which video was fine but the events depicted were in fact staged. make sense?

[Elihu]

Maybe he's exaggerated, but its disrespectful to the victims and their families. Oh, I'm not saying that we dare not question reality because it make come across as upsetting to someone or disrespectful to our ancestors, but for fucks sake, questioning the validity of victims because they aren't covered with enough blood for your viewing pleasure? That's disgusting. He can clarify if he likes.

Regarding the video quality, it's no mystery. Yes, cellphones have decent video quality now, but are shit when it comes to bad lighting. Not to mention these are not the original videos, these are the compressed version that are shared on YouTube and ABC news. Hell, they are probably the compressed videos of compressed videos. I have video maker friends who complain all the time that YouTube makes their stuff look like shit b/c it compresses it funny. Video game makers complain because it makes their multi-million dollar game look like shit.

Bad lighting and video compression is easier to believe than ludicrous conspiracy that it's all fake: fake footage, fake people, face victims, fake witnesses, fake families, fake Facebook profiles. For fuck's sake it'd be just easier for TPTB to just shoot up a place.

like somebody said earlier, both.

[Nordic]

By Backtoiam's standards, Cloverfield was a documentary and NYC was actually attacked by a monster. Because it looked real.

Yes some of those videos are actually cell phones recording video off of OTHER cell phones. With compression every step of the way on both phones including whatever source is showing them to us and sharing it on the Internet. And yeah it's not so much "bad" lighting as mostly nonexistent lighting, i.e. darkness mixed up with nasty LED lights on the phones and a ton of fast movement which makes the compression artifacts even worse.

RI should have some standards and is usually pretty good about somehow avoiding the "never met a conspiracy theory I didn't like" people. I don't know how we pulled that off over the years but we did.

[82_28]

Speaking of cellphones, I find the tale of all the cellphones heard ringing with no one to answer very very creepy.

[Elihu]

By Backtoiam's standards, Cloverfield was a documentary and NYC was actually attacked by a monster. Because it looked real.

Yes some of those videos are actually cell phones recording video off of OTHER cell phones. With compression every step of the way on both phones including whatever source is showing them to us and sharing it on the Internet. And yeah it's not so much "bad" lighting as mostly nonexistent lighting, i.e. darkness mixed up with nasty LED lights on the phones and a ton of fast movement which makes the compression artifacts even worse.

RI should have some standards and is usually pretty good about somehow avoiding the "never met a conspiracy theory I didn't like" people. I don't know how we pulled that off over the years but we did.

so we've established the video is poor and RI works not to become conspiracy=bigotry

[Wombaticus Rex]

please tell me you're not about to suspend backtoiam

Yes, and yes.

This is not a Democratic Underground style thoughtcrime putsch; the suspension of bactoiam is about the ol' Socket Puppet Accusations.

There are a lot of valid questions to be asked about what happened and I'd much rather have this thread be about those than another 10 pages of the classic "What I Said Is Not What I Meant" shuffle. I wasn't particularly kidding about this probably being an ideal week for him to take some time off from ruminating on the poetics of a crime scene. We're some pretty morbid fucks, right?

[Luther Blissett]

I'm pretty gleeful thinking about the ISIS public relations intern having to break it to some den papa that they've located the shooter's Grindr profile.

[seemslikeadream]

RI should have some standards and is usually pretty good about somehow avoiding the "never met a conspiracy theory I didn't like" people. I don't know how we pulled that off over the years but we did.

"never met a conspiracy theory I didn't like"

then one of you guys makes me post this that's how it's pulled off......and that I try to stay at my 3 conspiracy theory a year limit

[FourthBase]

please tell me you're not about to suspend backtoiam

Yes, and yes.

This is not a Democratic Underground style thoughtcrime putsch; the suspension of bactoiam is about the ol' Socket Puppet Accusations.

There are a lot of valid questions to be asked about what happened and I'd much rather have this thread be about those than another 10 pages of the classic "What I Said Is Not What I Meant" shuffle. I wasn't particularly kidding about this probably being an ideal week for him to take some time off from ruminating on the poetics of a crime scene. We're some pretty morbid fucks, right?

You deserve consideration for the Message Board Moderator Hall of Fame.

EDIT: At the very least, the Message Board Moderator Hall of the Very Good.

[Novem5er]

I wish I knew who's sock-puppet I was . . . :p

But to add to the thread:

Former Classmate says Orlando Shooter was Gay
http://www.wftv.com/news/trending-now/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen-was-gay-former-classmate-says/341204308?ecmp=wftv_social_twitter_sfp

[JackRiddler]

This case has some extremely suspicious aspects - the father, the employer, the history of this worthless homicidal gay-hating motherfucker whom I presume is the culprit. (The easiest way for theoretical outside plotters to do something like this, not that it's the only possible way, is to get an actual single gunman to do it.)

This thread, however, once again illustrates how effectively the reflex "crisis actor" or "all fake" responses serve to distract. Discussion is mired as everyone with three working brain cells feels compelled to explain the most elementary shit to someone who will insist on not getting it, and who wants to illustrate Dunning-Kruger.

Given a dense crowd and the right weapon, the physical aspects are not astonishing. Again, speaking in theory. Same asshole with knife = you would have barely heard a story about an incident in Orlando. Even the same asshole with two pistols and unlimited clips = maybe six dead, maybe fewer.

Homophobic violence verging on the homicidal is sadly unremarkable, and I bet we've all had to deal with it. Of all the systemic hatred plagues, homophobia in my experience is really the dumbest and most reflexively, individually violent. Racists (not to make excuses) have rationales and may be able to calculate a benefit from it. Homophobes generally can't even say what gay is, if they're gay themselves, or what exactly is the imagined threat or disadvantage that it poses to them, and it can be dangerous even to discuss it with them.

[82_28]

No, Mr. Rex has already coined a new term. Socket Puppet. Knowing how well he writes I don't know if that was intentional or a mistake. Better leave it be as I am Mr. Grammer.

[Novem5er]

This case has some extremely suspicious aspects - the father, the employer, the history of this worthless homicidal gay-hating motherfucker whom I presume is the culprit. (The easiest way for theoretical outside plotters to do something like this, not that it's the only possible way, is to get an actual single gunman to do it.)

This thread, however, once again illustrates how effectively the reflex "crisis actor" or "all fake" responses serve to distract. Discussion is mired as everyone with three working brain cells feels compelled to explain the most elementary shit to someone who will insist on not getting it, and who wants to illustrate Dunning-Kruger.

Given a dense crowd and the right weapon, the physical aspects are not astonishing. Again, speaking in theory. Same asshole with knife = you would have barely heard a story about an incident in Orlando. Even the same asshole with two pistols and unlimited clips = maybe six dead, maybe fewer.

Homophobic violence verging on the homicidal is sadly unremarkable, and I bet we've all had to deal with it. Of all the systemic hatred plagues, homophobia in my experience is really the dumbest and most reflexively, individually violent. Racists (not to make excuses) have rationales and may be able to calculate a benefit from it. Homophobes generally can't even say what gay is, if they're gay themselves, or what exactly is the imagined threat or disadvantage that it poses to them, and it can be dangerous even to discuss it with them.

Beautiful writing on a frightening topic. Thank you.

No, Mr. Rex has already coined a new term. Socket Puppet. Knowing how well he writes I don't know if that was intentional or a mistake. Better leave it be as I am Mr. Grammer.

Hah, I didn't even notice that. For the record, I've never asked for anyone to be banned, here or elsewhere on the net. I'm fully of the opinion that if someone wants to bring it, I will fucking bring it right back. As a consequence I've been threatened elsewhere with temporary bans for feeding the trolls.

[Karmamatterz]

Given a dense crowd and the right weapon, the physical aspects are not astonishing. Again, speaking in theory. Same asshole with knife = you would have barely heard a story about an incident in Orlando. Even the same asshole with two pistols and unlimited clips = maybe six dead, maybe fewer..

Since you were speaking in theory it's easy to under estimate just how easy it would be to shoot dozens of people in a target dense enclosed space. Two fully loaded semi-auto handguns will allow even an amateur asshole to wreck enormous harm. Your estimate is way off, would have been easily many more than six. It's also easy to convert a Glock to full auto. Though that would be unwieldy for an amateur, this perp almost certainly was well practiced if he worked at a security firm. It would be quickly noticed if he practiced shooting full auto handguns at a gun range, but it's easy to find rural areas to target practice.

This jerkoff was well motivated, he would have found a means to kill no matter what.