7/7 Dallas Shooting

[MacCruiskeen]

In that half-hour CNN interview, and in his press conference on the night of the shootings, Brown did not once address orr even mention the fact that at least one of his own officers was shot dead by a street-level shooter, although he most certainly knew this to be the case.

The two or more films of that street-level shooter (plus one eyewitness account) are the only credible independent evidence we have that any police officer was shot at all that night. And he was not shot by a "sniper" "perched" in any "elevated position". Chief Brown knew this better, and sooner, than anyone. Then he went out and lied to the world.

Why are those films never mentioned, by Brown, by any police spokesman, by any journalist who gets a chance to question these people?

[Burnt Hill]

Again, I have to ask all of you for all the other examples you can cite of disgruntled black men, alpha or beta male, serially shooting up white cops.

Surely with a 400+ year history of oppression in this country, you must be able to cite hundreds of examples of this Django Unchained white fantasy coming to life to seek its deserved revenge?

Right? Because it is just so damned believable. You know, just like hard drinking, stripper watching Muslim suicide bombers and kamikaze pilots. Right?

Here's one from a historical perspective-

Black men shooting white cops: Houston, 1917

Americans' long history of resisting their own government
By Chris Bray, for the Houston Chronicle |
July 11, 2016

Enraged by attacks on African-Americans by white police officers, a group of black men grab rifles and head into a Texas city. Finding white cops in the streets, they open fire, starting a long gun battle that ends with deaths on both sides.

* Sorry, behind paywall.

[Karmamatterz]

Hey Mac,

Of course, not one of you Heroes of Reason (Freitag, minime, Novem5er; Karmamatterz) even bothers to respond to the demonstrable fact that Dallas Police Chief Brown lied to the public, i.e., to you, about this case. And is still doing so.

One can only conclude that you like being lied to.

Whoa dude! Don't even TRY to lump me into your kettle of stew. Your logic is just a itsy bit off there. I wholeheartedly agree that this thing smells and that lies are piled on top of lies. Most of what you're ripping on Nov. for I already took as an safe assumption and agree with you on. Which is another reason why I didn't stick my oar into. There was plenty already pointing out the obvious and I chose not to be redundant. I disdain echo chambers.

I tepidly stuck my oar into the Orlando thread again after the smearing of online feces and screeching into what was an already ugly dark thread chuck full of MSM serial shaming kill porn and visceral bitchfesting. You're a vet here, a real pro. I'm just a rookie, real green thumb. Why shit all over this thread?

Cheers bro. I truly mean that. Now get off my ass, it's chaffing.

[MacCruiskeen]

Why shit all over this thread?

Comedy gold.

And naturally, no response to the question actually asked, no response to the demonstrable lies of Dallas Police Chief Brown.

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Back to what DrEvil has said - WHY would a conspiracy have the police CHANGE their story? Why have the police report multiple elevated snipers and then have them throw that away and cover it up?! It doesn't make the least bit of sense.

This is an interesting question imo. One thing i could think of is that the police in general always wants to close (not solve per se) a case. And the more shocking the case, the sooner they want to close it for the public's eye. Even if it means arresting and convicting the wrong person. Another aspect might be that if there was an organisation behind an event like this, they might decide after the facts that for whatever reason they simply don't want the public to know about it. Reasons could be: a conspiracy from higher up that pulls some strings to get the investigation on a lone wolf track, but also maybe to deny a (possibly foreign) organisation a platform or bragging rights. Another reason might be that they don't want to admit to the public that there were more shooters involved to protect an ongoing investigation, to be not seen as inept, to contain public panic, to serve national security in some other way. I'm sure we could think of some more reasons together! And from there is it really such a stretch that sometimes they even use some actors to put a fake spin on a real event? I'm not saying these were all hoaxes, just speculating. Anyway, imo stating that there simply will always be initial stories of multiple shooters in events like these like it's some sort of physical law -and that anyone that questions that is either crazy or disrespectful- could be construed as lacking somewhat in rigor also.

[Novem5er]

Mac, the difference between a lie and a mistake is intention. We "Heroes of Reason" are simply saying that its more likely a mistake than a lie. A lie would require a conspiracy of a grand proportions, while mistakes are made all the time in variety of situations.

I've already explained that authorities often provide inaccurate information to "get out in front" of a story and to make a public appearance of being informed and in control. This happens all the time, in even non-crisis situations. In the video you just linked to, Brown says "we are negotiating with that person as we speak" meaning that this statement was made as the crime was still unfolding. The next morning he changed this story, i.e. corrected earlier mistakes. You think Brown was out there on the streets eye-witnessing multiple snipers on different buildings? Or was he being fed reports from his own officers and eye witnesses who, possibly, had been mistaken?

Does anyone have a video of a witness (citizen or officer) actually making a statement that they saw people on rooftops with guns shooting down into the street? I'm just curious.

[MacCruiskeen]

Mac, the difference between a lie and a mistake is intention. We "Heroes of Reason" are simply saying that its more likely a mistake than a lie. A lie would require a conspiracy of a grand proportions, while mistakes are made all the time in variety of situations.

Rubbish. It was no "mistake". It was a plain and deliberate and knowing lie.

You think Brown was out there on the streets eye-witnessing multiple snipers on different buildings? Or was he being fed reports from his own officers and eye witnesses who, possibly, had been mistaken?

Oh ffs. He is the Chief of the Dallas Police Department. Of course he was informed that at least one of his offciers had been shot at street level (and at point-blank range) by a guy in white pants armed with an automatic rifle and strolling around in front of El Centro at his leisure with a black SUV parked by his side with flashing lights. Several officers then ran in to help their (presumably dead) colleague. Two cop cars simultaneously drew up behind the SUV. Of course Brown was informed of all this, and damn quickly too, i.e., hours before his fucking press conference.

He lied, and he is still lying.

Does anyone have a video of a witness (citizen or officer) actually making a statement that they saw people on rooftops with guns shooting down into the street? I'm just curious.

That is a good question. I know of no such witness.

[Burnt Hill]

From Chief Browns CNN interview wit Tapper-

And this suspect continued to move and shoot from different angles from the high perched position, down at street level and then back up to the high perched positions at really diagonally, almost triangulating our officers with his rapid fire.

[Elihu]

This strategy of tension is a world tour. Remember the arena band t-shirts with lists of cities? Similar. Wish I would have rolled on the local coverage. Street level bimby was interviewing a convivial cedric-the-entertainer type guy talking about how he was moving an "tryin not to get hit". Doe-eyes back in the studio asks "can he give us a description?" Bimby relays the question: you shoulda seen the BALK. Back to the studio, interview over. Un-spun un-filtered info over too at that point. RT and BBC breaking original stuff from Dallas? I ain't buying it. Just doin their job.

[Karmamatterz]

Another reason might be that they don't want to admit to the public that there were more shooters involved to protect an ongoing investigation, to be not seen as inept

Yes, real investigations not being directed by external forces and where the cops are trying hard to really solve a case use any number of tactics. If they wanted additional shooters (if they weren't hired pros and or actors) to relax or give the impression the cops are dumb they might do something like this. Make a perp think you don't even know he/she exists and allow them to lower their guard. It's not a great explanation but speculation is cheap. In a seriously "real" investigation they would also have acoustics experts teamed up with a video team and forensics people to go over the path of bullets and match the killers weapon (if possible) to the recordings to help sort if there were multiple shooters. Let's not forget we've seen video from witneses, but has any video been posted from traffic cams, body cams, police car cams or business surveillance cameras?

My gut tells me they are not doing the above and the chief is getting pushed and pulled from the mayor, activists, other LE, FBI and possibly has even got one of those sweet letters from the NSA that he can't talk about. For all we know his head is spinning and ready to pop off. Some of his men did die. Right? Is RI collectively agreeing officers were killed?

Some people, even professionals can't give a decent interview. Maybe the chief is a pawn and is a babe in the woods about how to properly lie and come off like he is telling the truth. If others are telling him what to say that may not jive with what he knows or believes and thus he appears to be stumbling and coming off as unreliable. Just a random thought, but I wonder if anybody is pressuring the cops to close this quickly simply because they don't want another ugly shooting in Dallas to linger for 52 years.

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Does anyone have a video of a witness (citizen or officer) actually making a statement that they saw people on rooftops with guns shooting down into the street? I'm just curious.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... ye-8376119

The man in the clip doesn't say he saw people on rooftops (prolly not a wise thing to leisurely go looking for!), but he does say multiple cops were being shot by snipers and that nobody could see where the shots where coming from.

[MacCruiskeen]

From Chief Browns CNN interview wit Tapper-

And this suspect continued to move and shoot from different angles from the high perched position, down at street level and then back up to the high perched positions at really diagonally, almost triangulating our officers with his rapid fire.

That sentence makes no sense at all, not even grammatically.

at really diagonally, almost triangulating our officers with his rapid fire.

So Brown is saying that this single shooter was "perched" high up, then he came down to street level, then he went back up to various more "elevated" "perches", all this time performing the miracle of solo "triangulation", and all this time completely uncatchable and unshootable by any of the hundreds of armed officers on the ground? He just nipped in and out of the building whenever he felt like it? ("Yoo-hoo! Here I am! On the street now! Can't catch me! I'm shooting you beside this black SUV with flashing lights now! Now I'm going back to my elevated perch!")

Or is Brown just struggling to articulate that the shooter shot from a height at the people "down at street level"?

Why hasn't he been sacked?

Why hasn't he been arrested?

[DrEvil]

No, he's saying that the shooter was down at street level.

[Burnt Hill]

Dallas Police Chief David Brown’s tragic family history with police-related violence

WHEN Dallas Police Chief David Brown fronted the media on Friday after the tragic shooting that killed five police officers and injured nine others, he said his profession was “hurting” and “heartbroken”.

But in his six years as police chief, Brown, 55, has experienced profound tragedy of his own.

In June 2010, Brown’s only son, 27-year-old David Jr., shot and killed two men — including a 37-year-old police officer — at an apartment complex in Lancaster, Texas, 27km south of Dallas.

He died in the Father’s Day shootout when officers returned fire.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/dallas-police-chief-david-browns-tragic-family-history-with-policerelated-violence/news-story/4c1d6705ba9ae73692e113d54b753b8d

[Novem5er]

Oh ffs. He is the Chief of the Dallas Police Department. Of course he was informed that at least one of his offciers had been shot at street level (and at point-blank range) by a guy in white pants armed with an automatic rifle and strolling around in front of El Centro at his leisure with a black SUV parked by his side with flashing lights. Several officers then ran in to help their (presumably dead) colleague. Two cop cars simultaneously drew up behind the SUV. Of course Brown was informed of all this, and damn quickly too, i.e., hours before his fucking press conference.

He lied, and he is still lying.

Does anyone have a video of a witness (citizen or officer) actually making a statement that they saw people on rooftops with guns shooting down into the street? I'm just curious.

That is a good question. I know of no such witness.

You're making my point - any and all information that Brown reported to the public in those first hours was received from people on the ground - all eye witnesses that may have reported things incorrectly. The sound of gun fire echoing off buildings and the fact that (by Browns OWN statement) that the shooter was elevated AND street level, and was moving back and forth between positions. It isn't unreasonable that multiple officers reported things incorrectly OR they were all correct, but didn't realize they were the same shooter.

Do we have a map with all the fallen officers placed on it? No? Somebody please show me a map of where all these shootings occurred and we can start putting this together?

All we need is a map of the area and then a timeline and locations of both shooting victims and eye witness spotting the shooter. If we discover that two officers were shot simultaneously two block apart, then the multiple shooter idea will have some credence.

Right now there is NOTHING to support the idea, other than Brown making a statement and then changing it later.... but if he's lying, then why did he speak the truth first? Which part is the lie? Maybe the first part was a lie, and now he's telling the truth? Maybe he was telling the truth first, but is now lying? Which one did his overlords command him to speak?