NASA Satellite stops on a dime!? WTF!!!

[82_28]

is this some kind of honey pot for stupid people?

It's also a honeypot for educated people to make fun of gullible people.

I once poured honey on a large carpenter ant and watched as it slowly pulled itself out and painstakingly cleaned itself off. And then I poured more honey on it. In some ways perhaps the cruelest thing I ever did.

Dude you never had a magnifying glass did you? Just kiddin'. I once torched ~1,000,000,000 ants with WD-40 and a lighter.

[NeonLX]

The only thing I'll torch is nests of yellow jacket wasps. Those fuckers are satan incarnate. I almost died because of a massive attack of yellow jackets who had built a next under the lid of a dumpster.

Re: my dear friend who is rebuilding herself, I feel humbled and honored to be part of her journey. It's absolutely astonishing to watch an adult human being go through such a metamorphosis. She is definitely the strongest person I know. And, as mentioned before, the wisest.

[Novem5er]

I really like the Flat Earth movement from the perspective of a "thought exercise". Ever since I started reading fantasy fiction in elementary school, I've been fascinated by world building. I also played a lot of D&D as a younger man and would spend hours creating fantasy realms, sometimes with weird elements of nature. I'm the kind of person who doesn't just say "Here be Dragons"; no, I have to work out the ecosystem of monsters and magic. For a series of fiction stories now, I've been working on a "cylinder" world.

So, I find the idea of a flat earth fascinating. How would things work? Would it be daylight everywhere at once and then suddenly night? Could satellites rotate around the disk, and if so, then they must photograph what was on the underside. How would the oceans stay on without spilling over? It's fun to think about.

[stefano]

There is actually a worked-out model, it is pretty interesting. Think there's a video on the other Flat Earth thread. The Sun is small and low, and moves around above the disc Earth in an eccentric orbit - closer to the centre (North Pole) in the northern summer, and closer to the edge in the southern summer. When it gets too far away from you, night falls. They've done the maths.

The model can't account for gravity, sunsets, the Moon, planets or plane travel in the southern hemisphere, though, so falls short in some notable respects.

[brainpanhandler]

You people are nuts. The Earth isn't flat. It's hollow.

[divideandconquer]

I don't think Neon was defending them he was just saying that they are out there. Which if he has witnessed it, it definitely does exist.

Which I do not understand.

One of my dearest friends is a woman who had a series of strokes that left her blind and also destroyed her personality. She no longer had a personality when it was over. Over the years, she slowly "rebuilt" herself, and her vision gradually came back. Her (re)learning curve was quite steep but she attacked knowledge with a vengeance. She is now one of the very wisest people I've ever had the pleasure of knowing. And yes, she's a flat-earther. Her new-found knowledge is admittedly self taught, but she has done a lot of research on things like the angle of the sun's rays, airline flight patterns, NASA footage from various space missions, etc. I really enjoy the back-and-forth we have about this issue.

Doesn't science requires critical thinking, the willingness to question assumptions, question beliefs without fear of attack? If so, this is not the place for scientific inquiry...much too religious for that.

Yes. My arrogance kept me from giving this issue even a second glance, in spite of months and months of my friend's urging to simply consider the "what if" side of the issue. "What if" is the key to advancing our knowledge. I'm not saying that the Earth is flat; I'm merely suggesting that we need more "what if" in our thinking. Or at least I do.

There are way more questions than answers, by orders of magnitude. It therefore follows logically that one has to choose which questions to ask in order to conserve one's time and resources. But to each his own.

As far as the universe is concerned, the earth is concerned, all I do know is that the official narrative is full of holes and fabricated to one degree or another. Therefore questions should abound, but they don't because we're taught to accept whatever we're taught without question and to attack those who dare to inquire or provide reason or evidence that contradict established theory . That in and of itself should raise red flags, but it doesn't. This proves the system of education (freedom to think without limitation except those imposed by the demands of thought itself and established truth, 2+2=4) is really a system of indoctrination where "truth" comes from authority. And today, there is less regard for truth than ever before. 2+2 doesn't even have to = 4.

In other words, if you're so sure, fill in the holes with concrete and address the issue instead of attacking the questioning person who may or may not furnish evidence or reason that refutes established theory. Try providing reasons and evidence that directly pertain to what's being questioned. For instance, take Neon's friend and address the research she's done on the angle of the sun's rays, airline flight patterns, NASA footage from various space missions if Neon provides that information. Don't dismiss it and call her an idiot.

[82_28]

I've told this story here before but there was this guy who we all called "Bigfoot Steve" and I would challenge him on all of his assertions -- wasn't being a dick. Super nice guy but he would show me photos of like hair and shit that his excursions caused him to find on trees and shit. I admired his probably spurious claims and his adherence to them. I kinda chalked it up to the reason I didn't want to be labelled 9/11 "82_28", thus I didn't get into such things. It is good to be skeptical but it is also good to believe. As long as you're not a racist, fascist, homosexual hating, women shaming piece of shit, you can always lay any idea you got on me. I don't give a fuck. I will tell people though that what you believe is basically stupid and then move onto sports or weather.

[Pele'sDaughter]

I just happened across this at reddit. This is Mt. Rainier viewed from Canada. If the earth is flat wouldn't you be able to see the entire mountain and not just the top?

witch house

[82_28]

No no no! Most days you can't see any of it anyway.

I remember as a kid having a book called "Our Universe" which I read like every day and there was a chapter about just this. Back when whenever it was it was noticed that the ship would disappear first and then all you could see was the mast etc. Or maybe it was vice versa. In order to spot an incoming ship you would first look for its mast come over the horizon and then make preparations or something for the dock because it was attached to a boat you couldn't see yet.

EDIT: You can get it for a $1.99!

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/p/nationa ... kid=3x4094

I would still say it is good for kids.

Planet by planet, star after star, Our Universe takes you on an adventure that begins before people even knew the Earth was round and ends aboard shuttles and starships. Internationally known artists lift you to space scapes as awesome as they are accurate. You'll see planetary vistas photographed by NASA's most recent flybys. This completely updated atlas brings you 343 paintings, drawings, photgraphs, and maps. You'll find an illustrated time chart of important 20th-century space events, a glossary and index, and a guide to planetariums and space museums in the United States and Canada.

[brainpanhandler]

As far as the universe is concerned, the earth is concerned, all I do know is that the official narrative is full of holes and fabricated to one degree or another. Therefore questions should abound, but they don't because we're taught to accept whatever we're taught without question and to attack those who dare to inquire or provide reason or evidence that contradict established theory . That in and of itself should raise red flags, but it doesn't. This proves the system of education (freedom to think without limitation except those imposed by the demands of thought itself and established truth, 2+2=4) is really a system of indoctrination where "truth" comes from authority. And today, there is less regard for truth than ever before. 2+2 doesn't even have to = 4.

Don't you ever get bored writing the same thing over and over again?

I've read RAW's The New Inquisition. I need to reread it. If I am going to seriously re/evaluate rationalism/materialism and the reigning scientific paradigms then I need a guide and they better be a pretty goddamned impressive thinker in their own right.

I waste more than enough time. I don't feel inclined to waste more of it refuting flat earth arguments. There is something compelling though about having such bedrock beliefs questioned. It tickles a part of me that suspects reality is much stranger than we think.

[smoking since 1879]

the earth is growing...

[Novem5er]

This issue, like so many, comes down to trust.

I'd wager that Flat Earthers don't trust a single institution in today's world, with the exception of Christian Flat Earthers who trust their interpretation of the Bible. Let me list the institutions that a Flat Earther has to distrust:

- NASA and other international space agencies
- the scientific community
- universities across the world, going back hundreds of years
- governments across the world
- historians, mathematicians, and academia in general
- telecommunications companies

Of course, nobody here trusts 100% of these institutions 100% of the time! Trust, however, is on a sliding scale. Most people, I think, might mistrust the little details, but accept the societal consensus on Big Picture items. We might argue with a historian's account of Patton as a general, but most would accept that there was, indeed, a World War II. Hell, some people might argue with NASA's account of the moon landing, but would still accept that there is, indeed, a moon!

The lack of trust is what fuels conspiracies, and that can be a good thing. Lack of trust gets people to ask big questions and dig for answers. It's what brings RI together when looking at events in the world. The question, however, has often been asked "How Far Down the Rabbit Hole Do You Go?". Really, I think that question is about trust . . . how much trust do you put in the combined elements of our Civilization?

Personally, my trust level is probably at about 85%. I generally think things are as they seem, but that specific events or organizations are shady and/or up to no good. That's kind of how I view people, too.

[DrEvil]

As far as the universe is concerned, the earth is concerned, all I do know is that the official narrative is full of holes and fabricated to one degree or another. Therefore questions should abound, but they don't because we're taught to accept whatever we're taught without question and to attack those who dare to inquire or provide reason or evidence that contradict established theory . That in and of itself should raise red flags, but it doesn't. This proves the system of education (freedom to think without limitation except those imposed by the demands of thought itself and established truth, 2+2=4) is really a system of indoctrination where "truth" comes from authority. And today, there is less regard for truth than ever before. 2+2 doesn't even have to = 4.

Quite right. It can also be 10 or 11.

I have to disagree with you on "the official narrative is full of holes and fabricated to one degree or another."

Sure, there's holes in the narrative, because there's stuff we don't know yet, but the narrative being fabricated is taking it way too far. The current narrative is the sum total of the work of thousands, possibly millions of people in all kinds of professions all over the world, working for various public or private entities who often are in competition or on opposite sides of an ideological divide, yet somehow they all come to the same conclusions.

The narrative is the result of centuries of research, testing and discarding hypotheses as they're replaced by better ones. It would require a global conspiracy of unprecedented scale to manufacture a false narrative. The narrative may not be correct, but it's the best one we got, and it's constantly being updated with new knowledge.
Is there institutional inertia slowing down the acceptance of new knowledge in some areas? Of course there is, it's called human nature. No one likes having their career thrown out the window.

In other words, if you're so sure, fill in the holes with concrete and address the issue instead of attacking the questioning person who may or may not furnish evidence or reason that refutes established theory. Try providing reasons and evidence that directly pertain to what's being questioned. For instance, take Neon's friend and address the research she's done on the angle of the sun's rays, airline flight patterns, NASA footage from various space missions if Neon provides that information. Don't dismiss it and call her an idiot.

Sorry, that's not how it works. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. It's not on everyone else to prove you wrong, it's on you to provide evidence to support your claim.
Some quick googling (and common sense. See the picture posted by Pele's daughter) will give you all the evidence you need to show that flat-earth is nonsense.

[backtoiam]

Dr. Evil

Sorry, that's not how it works. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. It's not on everyone else to prove you wrong, it's on you to provide evidence to support your claim.

Why?

Jeff's piece on 9/11 is what brought me here. I would not say he offered "extraordinary proof" but he offered enough "coincidence" to put me on the trail of investigation using my intuition. I would venture to guess that almost every member of this forum believes that the official narrative is full of holes but how many can offer extraordinary proof?

By the same token the official narrative made extraordinary claims without offering extraordinary proof.

[maco144]

Interesting how a lot of the reasons to support the globe model that are mentioned in this thread aren't even based in reality and are easily refuted regardless of what your version of the earth looks like. Things like a ship on the horizon as proof of a globe is actually nothing more than the law of perspective. Ships dont disappear over the horizon due to curvature, and should you pull out a telescope youd plainly see the ship is still there.

If you go deep on flat earth you learn how many unproven theories modern science builds upon. Things like gravity, tidal locking, correalis, relativity are all unproven hogwash that the flat earth model doesnt need to work or explains better. Anyone who takes the time to really investigate should become quite alarmed at how many unproven theories are held as fact.