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by seemslikeadream » Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:34 pm
by seemslikeadream » Sun Aug 28, 2016 11:32 am
by JackRiddler » Sun Aug 28, 2016 1:10 pm
Trump Goes Back To Original Immigration Position With Second 180 Flip
Source: Huffington Post
DES MOINES, Iowa – Donald Trump’s experiment with “softening” his immigration policy came to a dramatic end Saturday in a fairgrounds livestock pavilion, with the Republican presidential nominee promising deportations within an hour of his inauguration.
“We are going to rid of the criminals, and it’s going to happen within one hour after I take office,” he said. “We will move justly, but we will move fast. Believe me.”
Trump has made the forcible deportation of the 11 million people in the country without documentation a cornerstone of his presidential campaign from its start last year. It made him a favorite among a segment of the Republican base, and helped him win the nomination over a dozen Republican senators and governors.
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He also asserted – without any supporting evidence – that Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton would, if she were to win, end “all routine immigration enforcement.” “In other words, totally open borders. Which will lead to a massive crime wave,” Trump said.
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by stillrobertpaulsen » Mon Aug 29, 2016 6:08 pm
8bitagent » Fri Aug 26, 2016 10:41 pm wrote:stillrobertpaulsen » Fri Aug 26, 2016 2:17 pm wrote:Nordic » Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:44 pm wrote:seemslikeadream » Fri Aug 26, 2016 6:38 am wrote:blatant in your face racism does bring out the worst in people
and btw he is just not a racist he incites political violence and is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, misogynist and birther
I'm not disagreeing that he's all of these things.
He is.
My point is that Hillary is actually WORSE.
Any chance we could acknowledge that, or is being a racist the absolute worst thing a person could be?
Serious question. I believe being a murdering war criminal neocon hell bent on starting WW3 is actually worse. And what is slaughtering men and women and children around the globe if not racist?
I'm going to have to disagree most vociferously, Trump is FAR FUCKING WORSE than Hillary.
First, any chance we could acknowledge that when it comes to foreign policy and geopolitics, the President always follows an agenda of Elite origin not of their own making? That Bill Hicks may have couched it in humorous terms, but he was actually spelling out the way things really work?
Because once you acknowledge that, it's quite clear the only difference between Trump and Clinton is what they'll accomplish domestically. And that's where Trump is FAR FUCKING WORSE for all the reasons seemslikeadream has mentioned plus a whole lot more.
You really think if the Elite are "hell bent on starting WW3" Trump would stand in their way?
I dig everyone's take on here and wonder if you or anyone can point to articles or name offhand what elites are behind Trump? It seems, least on the surface its the homegrown right wing anti globalist/anti neocons
behind Trump with Clinton with the solid support of "globalist" interests. Kissinger of course, but now Wolfowitz and most of the Bush team are now behind Clinton. The Rothschilds held a recent elite dinner fundraiser to the tune of $100,000 a plate last month. The argument comes down with RI minded people: who is worse...the globalist hawk type with track records of destabilizing regions to the tune of hundreds of thousands dead, or the
Goldwater/Wallace/Trump populist type who is isolationist but ultra nationalist. It's weird to see the anti war/anti globalist side being the bad guys, but the venomous hate oozing every day from the Trump realm of supporters is unbelievable. I've joked regarding Decision 2016: Do you want the president who incites world war 3, or a civil war?
The Council for National Policy (CNP) is, in the words of The New York Times, “a little-known club of a few hundred of the most powerful conservatives in the country,” an organization so tight-lipped that it tells its people not to admit membership or even name the group. It is important enough that last fall, according to an account in The National Review, Donald Trump and five other Republican presidential candidates each took 30 minutes to address the group; the conservative journal reported that Trump was by far the favorite candidate.
by seemslikeadream » Wed Aug 31, 2016 4:08 pm
On Twitter, Fox said that Mexico did not want Trump and would never trust him.
"I told you, Trump," he tweeted, "that 'a fish dies by his own mouth.' Now you should quit out of dignity for yourself, get back to your 'business.' "
Alicia Lopez Fernandez paints a piñata depicting Donald Trump at her family's store, Piñatas Mena Banbolinos, in Mexico City in 2015.
Marco Ugarte/AP
'Kafka Is Present In U.S. Elections': Mexican Reaction To Trump's Visit
August 31, 201612:52 PM ET
EYDER PERALTA
At some point today, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump is scheduled to meet with Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto.
It was a hastily arranged visit by a presidential candidate who has spent much of his campaign insulting Mexico and its people.
"I love the Mexican people, but Mexico is not our friend," Trump tweeted last year. "They're killing us at the border and they're killing us on jobs and trade." Earlier this summer, Trump joked about a Mexican attack on U.S. soil.
So, how's his visit going over down there? Here are some reactions:
— Raúl Benitez Manaut, a professor at the Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México, told the website Animal Politico that the author Franz Kafka must be playing some role in the U.S. presidential election.
"I'm not even going to think about wasting neurons to rationalize Trump's visit," he said. "The only thing we need is that they announce that gas prices will go up because the wall is going to cost too much and we all have to pitch in."
— Vicente Fox, the former president of Mexico, was more direct. He told Lopez Doriga Digital: "Trump has nothing to do; these are desperate moves. What I don't understand is why we fell for this trap, why we let him fool us."
On Twitter, Fox said that Mexico did not want Trump and would never trust him.
"I told you, Trump," he tweeted, "that 'a fish dies by his own mouth.' Now you should quit out of dignity for yourself, get back to your 'business.' "
— Margarita Zavala, a potential presidential candidate in Mexico, tweeted: "Mr. Donald Trump, even though you have been invited, know that you are not welcome. Mexicans have dignity and we repudiate your hateful discourse."
— Roberto Gil Zuarth, the president of the Mexican Senate, tweeted: "Inviting Donald Trump legitimizes his demagogy and hate. He threatens us with war and walls, but we open up the National Palace."
— Enrique Ortiz Garcia, a historian, dug into colonial history to explain Trump's visit:
The caption reads, "And then the foreigner arrived who at first we thought was Quetzalcóatl."
It's in reference to Hernando Cortés' arrival in Tenochtitlán. According to some Spanish texts, the Aztecs at first confused Cortés with an important deity.
Montezuma, the Aztec emperor, welcomed the Spanish conquistador and tried to buy him off. But that backfired; Montezuma lost his empire and the Spanish began their colonial rule.
— At Mexico City's Angel of the Independence, protesters gathered. One of them called on his president to cancel his invitation. Trump, he said, is an affront to all Mexicans.
— Enrique Peña Nieto explained his thinking with his own tweet. "I believe in dialogue in order to promote Mexican interests across the world and especially to protect Mexicans wherever they may be," he tweeted.
OBAMA PAYS MEXICO FIVE BILLION DOLLARS TO KEEP DONALD TRUMP
By Andy Borowitz , 08:19 A.M.
WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—President Barack Obama defended his decision on Wednesday to issue a payment of five billion dollars to Mexico to compel that nation to retain custody of Donald J. Trump.
The payment, which will be delivered to the Mexican government in hard American currency by Wednesday afternoon, will insure that Trump will remain in Mexico for the rest of his natural life.
“I have been assured by the government of Mexico that Mr. Trump will be well taken care of and, if he proves to be a productive member of their society, will be provided a pathway to Mexican citizenship,” Obama said.
While the transfer of funds to Mexico sparked howls of protest from some Trump supporters, it was hailed by congressional Democrats, as well as by over a hundred Republicans currently running for reëlection, including Arizona Senator John McCain.
The President bristled at the suggestion that paying Mexico to keep Trump was “reverse ransom” and an extravagant use of taxpayer money. “There is only one accurate word for this payment: a bargain,” he said.
by seemslikeadream » Thu Sep 01, 2016 6:25 pm
by 82_28 » Thu Sep 01, 2016 7:20 pm
by Wombaticus Rex » Thu Sep 01, 2016 8:26 pm
82_28 » Thu Sep 01, 2016 6:20 pm wrote:
God I don't want to have to stave off skinheads again. Please go away.
by seemslikeadream » Fri Sep 02, 2016 12:06 pm
Voting Rights for Women Should Be Revoked According to How They Obtain Their Birth Control, Says Author of ‘Handbook for the Trump Revolution’
Root’s book was blurbed by Trump and features a foreword by campaign adviser Roger Stone.
By Adele M. Stan / AlterNet August 31, 2016
When Republican presidential nominee Donald J. Trump needs an emcee for a rally in Nevada, he turns to radio personality Wayne Allyn Root, author of the recently published book Angry White Male: How the Donald Trump Phenomenon is Changing America—and What We Can All Do to Save the Middle Class, who has graced the podium of at least three Trump events in the Battle Born State. On Monday, reports Right Wing Watch, Root called for the disenfranchisement of broad swaths of the electorate, notably anyone on Medicaid, or who receives food assistance through the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), or who gets prescription contraception via the no-copay feature of the Affordable Care Act, aka Obamacare.
As I write this, the Trump campaign had yet to repudiate Root’s proposed unconstitutional rollback of voting rights. Yet the book jacket of Angry White Male features a blurb from the candidate himself, and a foreword by campaign adviser and dirty-trickster Roger Stone, who seems responsible for those elements of Trump campaign messaging drawn from and disseminated in the right’s fever swamps. Stone’s function in the Trump campaign appears to be to facilitate the nominee’s alliances with conspiracy theorists such as 9/11-truther Alex Jones and Root, who complements Trump’s birtherism with a companion false narrative that Obama never attended Columbia University. (Apparently, there is no long-form diploma.) During the 2014 midterm election cycle, Root labeled Obama “a Manchurian candidate” who Root said was seeking to foment a race war.
Now, Root has entered a new phase, deciding who should and shouldn’t be allowed to vote. In an error-filled rant flogging his new Trump book with Virginia radio host Rob Schilling on August 29 (flagged by RWW’s Miranda Blue), Root said of the competition faced by those of his ideological persuasion: “[I]f the people who paid the taxes were the only ones allowed to vote, we’d have landslide victories.” He continued:
"People with conflict of interest shouldn’t be allowed to vote. If you collect welfare, you have no right to vote. The day you get off welfare, you get your voting rights back. The reality is, why are you allowed to have this conflict of interest that you vote for the politician who wants to keep your welfare checks coming and your food stamps and your aid to dependent children and your free health care and your Medicaid, your Medicare and your Social Security and everything else?"
Then Root appeared to catch himself, perhaps realizing that a sizable number of Trump supporters—perhaps as much as one-third—are on Medicare and Social Security. So he “amended” his statement, according to Blue, saying:
"Social Security should not, Medicare should not [disqualify you from voting], because you paid into the system. But all the other stuff, all the other goodies, free Obama phones, free contraception, you know what, you can get them but you shouldn’t be allowed to vote; it’s a conflict of interest. Take that away, we’d win every single election in this country."
The point Root was apparently attempting to make was that anybody on government assistance should not have the right to vote. But even in that noxious formulation, the inclusion of women who obtain prescription contraception via Obamacare without paying a copay would appear to be a special punishment, since the women themselves pay for that prescription via their insurance premiums.
The federal program he appears to reference called Aid to Families with Dependent Children hasn’t existed for 20 years. (The program that replaced it, Temporary Aid to Needy Families, almost never provides direct financial assistance, depending on how individual states administer the program.) Oh, and that “free Obama phone”? No such thing. Never existed.
But in Trump World, facts don’t matter. All that matters is the resentment piled up by a certain portion of the white electorate whose members feel threatened by societal changes such as civil rights law and the empowerment of women. Perhaps presaging his patron’s potential failure at the polls in November, Root is obviously trying to do his part to set the false narrative that, should Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton win in November, it will be because the system was somehow rigged against Trump in favor of the candidate of non-white people (never mind that most people on government assistance are white) and licentious women.
In his book-jacket praise for Root, Trump writes: "Wayne Allyn Root knows how to be tenacious and relentless." But the real riches for Root, aside from the Trump branding he was so generously provided, are in Stone’s foreword, where, in the first sentence the campaign adviser describes Angry White Male as the "Handbook for the Trump Revolution.” Stone goes on:
Now, in Angry White Male, Root provides a manifesto for Donald Trump’s silent majority, and outlines how immigrants and non-Americans flood here by the millions to sign up for America’s generous taxpayer-financed welfare state.
But don’t hold your breath waiting for Trump or his spokespeople to condemn Root or to take any responsibility for the utterances of the author of a book with Trump’s name in the title and Trump’s blurb on the publisher’s praise page. He’s Trump’s Number One fan.
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/t ... 062926&t=4
by stillrobertpaulsen » Fri Sep 02, 2016 4:49 pm
Trump’s Mass Deportation Machine Would Create an American Police State Equal to Nazi Germany
Trump’s plan portends great civil strife, economic devastation and the imposition of a police state.
By Steven Rosenfeld / AlterNet
September 1, 2016
Donald Trump’s pledge yesterday to speedily deport “anyone who has entered the United States illegally” would require the creation of a vast police state that harkens back to the early 20th century, with Nazi Germany’s roundups and deportations of millions of Jews and others deemed undesirable.
“Under my administration, anyone who illegally crosses the border will be detained until they are removed out of our country and back to the country from which they came,” Trump blared. “And you can call it deported if you want. The press doesn't like that term. You can call it whatever the hell you want. They're gone.”
Trump’s plan starts with the immediate roundup and expulsion of “illegal immigrants who are arrested for any crime whatsoever,” but goes far beyond the notion that local police might stop a car whose rear headlight is out, demand visas and green cards, and in their absence throw that person into an American gulag that ends in a foreign airport. Trump has said that “62 percent of households headed by illegal immigrants” receive some welfare or food stamps, a “tremendous cost to our country” and “will be priorities for immediate removal.” That would not create not just a climate of great fear, but in tandem with his pledge to push for a new national law withholding federal funds from sanctuary cities, it echoes 1930s Germany's deliberate stripping of civil rights.
Until Trump’s Arizona speech Wednesday, he had signaled that he still wanted to deport 11 million undocumented migrants—and also ensnare their estimated 5 million children born here and revoke their citizenship—but offered no details beyond saying he would find a “humane and efficient” way to do it. On Wednesday, he offered some numbers to indicate the size of the expanded federal police force needed, saying he would “triple the number of ICE deportation officers” and “hire 5,000 more Border Patrol agents.”
But a series of 2016 reports from a right-wing think tank, American Action Forum, which looked at the logistics behind Trump’s pledge to deport migrants in a two-year period reveals a far larger state police force and deportation machinery would be required. The closest historic analogy is not the arrest and deportation of 1.3 million Mexicans in the 1950s derisively known as “Operation Wetback,” nor the round up and internment of 110,000 Japanese-Americans in WWII, nor the arrest of thousands of accused Communists in the Palmer Raids after WW1. It is Nazi Germany, where the Gestapo, or the state police—along with the legal system and the courts, a transportation infrastructure, and transit and concentration camps—were used to arrest and deport millions of Jews and other undesirables.
“We examined what it would take to execute Donald Trump’s promise to remove all undocumented immigrants in just two years,” American Action Forum reported. “We detailed current immigration enforcement operations and estimated exactly how large each component of the enforcement process would have to be in order to accomplish this task.”
“We found that to remove all undocumented immigrants in two years, the federal government would need to increase federal immigration apprehension workers from 4,844 to 90,582, immigration detention personnel from 5,203 to 53,381, federal immigration attorneys from 1,430 to 32,445, and immigration courts from 58 to 1,316,” its 2016 analysis continued. “In addition, the number of immigration detention beds would need to increase from 34,000 to 348,831 and to physically transport all undocumented immigrants out of the country the government would need to charter a minimum of 17,296 flights and 30,701 bus trips each year.”
In other words, Trump’s Arizona speech was not just the usual ranting and raving Americans have come to expect from a man whose words cannot be trusted—such as playing nice while standing at the podium with Mexico’s president, and hours later vilifying migrants in his speech promising a new federal police state and gulag. His purportedly substantive speech detailing how he would do it was devoid of the real size and scope of the state police and deportation industry needed.
As for Trump’s illogical and cynical claims that deporting millions of migrants would lift the American economy and help underemployed Americans, the American Action Forum report found deporting 11 million undocumented people—including upwards of 6.8 million workers—would have devastating economic consequences. It would remove 16 percent of the nation’s farm, forestry and fishing workers, 12 percent of construction workers, 9 percent of leisure and hospitality workers, 6 percent of manufacturing workers, and so on, cutting national economic growth from between 3 and 5 percent, or upwards of $625 billion.
American Action Forum projects that nearly 135,000 more immigration police and prison guards would be needed to arrest, process and deport 11 million undocumented migrants, as well as several thousands of additional judges, lawyers and workers in the courts and transit systems. They do not include Trump’s new pledge to police state welfare and public assistance agencies, which would increase the police state’s size. Nonetheless, the projection that 135,000-plus deportation police would be needed is on par with Nazi Germany’s police, imprisonment and deportation treadmill.
Here’s how enclycopedia.com summarizes the Gestapo network in WW2:
“At the outbreak of the Second World War in 1939, there were approximately 40,000 Gestapo agents in Germany. As the war progressed and the Nazis gained territory throughout Europe, the Gestapo swelled to employ over 150,000 informants, agents, and accessory personnel. Gestapo agents were charged with rooting out foreign agents and resistance fighters, but they also expanded their role as an internal police force."
The comparisons continue. American Action Forum anticipates the need for more than 300,000 additional “immigration detention beds.” If you look at the population of Nazi Germany’s biggest transit and concentration camps, you find a matrix of prisons where tens of thousands were held simultaneously in an array of facilities for forced prison labor or before being deported over many months.
Trump’s police state would turn modern America into something that hasn’t been seen in the West for 75 years. And his proposal that new migrants sign loyalty oaths is akin to what the U.S. required European immigrants to swear as they landed on U.S. shores before World War 1.
Considering that the largest number of annual deportations under President Obama has been about 410,000—causing tremendous grief as families have been broken up—any scenario for exponentially increasing that figure portends great civil strife, economic disruption and the imposition of a police state.
“I can’t even begin to picture how we would deport 11 million people in a few years where we don’t have a police state, where the police can’t break down your door at will and take you away without a warrant,” Michael Chertoff, secretary of Homeland Security under President George W. Bush, told the New York Timesin May when asked about implementing Trump’s proposal.
It’s easy to dismiss Trump’s deportation pledge as the ravings of a politician who will say anything to rev up his base through grievance and revenge politics. But it's another to thing to contemplate what it would mean to enact. The historic analogies, where they can be found, are appalling and could transform the country into an unrecognizable police state.
by Wombaticus Rex » Fri Sep 02, 2016 4:57 pm
“I can’t even begin to picture how we would deport 11 million people in a few years where we don’t have a police state, where the police can’t break down your door at will and take you away without a warrant,” Michael Chertoff, secretary of Homeland Security under President George W. Bush, told the New York Times in May when asked about implementing Trump’s proposal.
by seemslikeadream » Fri Sep 02, 2016 5:00 pm
by Wombaticus Rex » Fri Sep 02, 2016 5:08 pm
seemslikeadream » Fri Sep 02, 2016 4:00 pm wrote:Trump wants to deport U.S. citizens ...he thinks he can do that
by seemslikeadream » Fri Sep 02, 2016 5:09 pm
by seemslikeadream » Fri Sep 02, 2016 5:25 pm
Why Isn’t It a Bigger Deal That Trump Is Being Advised by Sadistic Pervert Roger Ailes?
A vicious misogynist and workplace predator is working with the Republican presidential nominee. This is not normal.
http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/ ... andal.html
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