NASA Satellite stops on a dime!? WTF!!!

[stefano]

Dr. Evil

Sorry, that's not how it works. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. It's not on everyone else to prove you wrong, it's on you to provide evidence to support your claim.

Why?

Yeah, I agree with backtoiam here. The definition of what constitutes an extraordinary claim is arbitrary, since of course ordinariness is a matter of culture. A given claim is extraordinary in one place and time, and ordinary in another. Its truth doesn't differ from one to the other, though.

This doesn't apply to what we're talking about here, though, as no proof of flat Earth comes close to being convincing by any measure.

Ships dont disappear over the horizon due to curvature, and should you pull out a telescope youd plainly see the ship is still there.

Yes they do, and no you wouldn't. Are you speaking from experience here? I watched the sunset from a west-facing beach just this past week, and can confirm that it goes away from the bottom while remaining the same size.

If you go deep on flat earth you learn how many unproven theories modern science builds upon. Things like gravity, tidal locking, correalis, relativity are all unproven hogwash that the flat earth model doesnt need to work or explains better. Anyone who takes the time to really investigate should become quite alarmed at how many unproven theories are held as fact.

So why don't you post just one of those puppies here, man? It's the thread for it. I actually did get deep on flat Earth a while ago, last time we had this chat, and the only thing that freaked me out was the fact that the Moon always has the same face toward us. Then I looked into it a bit more and there's a sound explanation for it.

[maco144]

Ships dont disappear over the horizon due to curvature, and should you pull out a telescope youd plainly see the ship is still there.

If you go deep on flat earth you learn how many unproven theories modern science builds upon. Things like gravity, tidal locking, correalis, relativity are all unproven hogwash that the flat earth model doesnt need to work or explains better. Anyone who takes the time to really investigate should become quite alarmed at how many unproven theories are held as fact.

So why don't you post just one of those puppies here, man? It's the thread for it. I actually did get deep on flat Earth a while ago, last time we had this chat, and the only thing that freaked me out was the fact that the Moon always has the same face toward us. Then I looked into it a bit more and there's a sound explanation for it.[/quote]



The more you look into flat earth the more it becomes common sense. Above weather pattern video is a clear example.

[DrEvil]

Dr. Evil

Sorry, that's not how it works. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. It's not on everyone else to prove you wrong, it's on you to provide evidence to support your claim.

Why?

Jeff's piece on 9/11 is what brought me here. I would not say he offered "extraordinary proof" but he offered enough "coincidence" to put me on the trail of investigation using my intuition. I would venture to guess that almost every member of this forum believes that the official narrative is full of holes but how many can offer extraordinary proof?

By the same token the official narrative made extraordinary claims without offering extraordinary proof.

Well, yes, but that wasn't what I was talking about. I was talking specifically about science and our understanding of reality. If you're going to claim that the Earth is flat (or any number of equally out there theories) you better have some damn good evidence to back it up, otherwise the current narrative which has a metric crap-ton of both observational and experimental evidence backing it up will stay put.

Likewise, if applied to 9/11 my argument would be along the lines of "if you're claiming that the planes were holograms you better have some damn good evidence to back it up".
That doesn't mean I don't think there's big holes in the official story, it just means I think the idea of holograms is stupid.

Just because a story has holes doesn't mean it's OK to fill it with whatever nonsense you find lying around.

[DrEvil]

Interesting how a lot of the reasons to support the globe model that are mentioned in this thread aren't even based in reality and are easily refuted regardless of what your version of the earth looks like. Things like a ship on the horizon as proof of a globe is actually nothing more than the law of perspective. Ships dont disappear over the horizon due to curvature, and should you pull out a telescope youd plainly see the ship is still there.

I'm sorry, but this is nonsense. The reason you can still see the ship (like in the video you posted. That ship isn't even on the horizon, and it's traveling parallel to it so it's completely useless) is that it hasn't gone over the horizon. Damn, just go to the beach and look at the horizon and you can clearly see the curvature of the Earth, and if a ship is coming towards you from over the horizon you will first see the top of the ship before the whole ship comes into view.

If you go deep on flat earth you learn how many unproven theories modern science builds upon. Things like gravity, tidal locking, correalis, relativity are all unproven hogwash that the flat earth model doesnt need to work or explains better. Anyone who takes the time to really investigate should become quite alarmed at how many unproven theories are held as fact.

Again - nonsense. Gravity is real. It's not fully understood but real, and so is tidal locking and relativity (relatively speaking). Same with the coreolis effect - go to the equator and you can see it in action yourself.

[KUAN]

What about this but: folie à deux

http://www.news.com.au/national/is-the- ... 21bce007d6

folie à deux, smolie à deux - aliens man

[Elihu]

Let me list the institutions that a Flat Earther has to distrust:

- NASA and other international space agencies
- the scientific community
- universities across the world, going back hundreds of years
- governments across the world
- historians, mathematicians, and academia in general
- telecommunications companies

completely. i'm to the place where the few little beams of light creeping into our indoctrinated lives invites me to infer that our authoritarian state is ALL lies.

not a cloud of confusion such as " everything was going fine with this democracy business until some people i hate began to exercise their perogatives through the system."

no no no. much bigger, more subtle and older than our minds are conditioned to think. a clunky conspiracy, no wonder the word is now an epithet.

the cohesion of the conspirators is that it is a gravy train, predators and prey, or shepards and sheep. they enjoy the club and want to stay in it, not to mention there is no audience to hear it explained as such, and they couldn't absorb it anyway.

maco is right, i almost posted the same things. christopher columbus, what a fairy tale. and we pay to have that taught to our children. funnels disappearing over the horizon, aristotle walking the earth at night and noticing different constellations in different places. man these are creeds, not scientific observations.

so being honest, everything official is in jeopardy with this: dinosaurs, fossil fuel, global warming, space exploration, official history, and the coup de grace, obedient taxpayers. it's obvious that if this cohesion breaks down the state is in real trouble.

that's why this is a political discussion as well as a scientific one. the state has cops and guns and is prepared to fvck people up who stray from the fold. and a part of people would prefer not to think along these lines because it can't be un-thought. it's natural to prefer the familiar and comfortable.

so if it is an edifice of lies, and i believe it is, the bigger and more intricate it is, the more prone it is to collapse with a few key strategic revelations.

hence nasa. if they can be caught green-screening and zero-g-ing, ................................... i'll just put a bunch of periods here because it gets dicey when we consider on who's behalf these lies are being told, and how much money they have stolen and are stealing.....

[82_28]

Jesus. I can't believe this is up for discussion.

maco is right, i almost posted the same things. christopher columbus, what a fairy tale. and we pay to have that taught to our children. funnels disappearing over the horizon, aristotle walking the earth at night and noticing different constellations in different places. man these are creeds, not scientific observations.

That right there is called parallax. Did any of you have a pendulum at your local museum or planetarium? It perfectly demonstrates the Earth is not flat. You can sit there and watch it as the Earth rotates.

Holy fuck this is really bothering me we are even talking about this. I watched NASA TV last night and of course I flashed on this thread as they beamed footage of the hurricanes in the Pacific. Then they showed the first up close images of Jupiter's poles from Juno. Is Jupiter flat too?

Polaris (the north star) is another one that puts this to rest.

[Elihu]

Holy f#ck this is really bothering me we are even talking about this.

it should

[82_28]

Why? Flat Earth stuff is nonsense. And don't be bashful with spelling the word "fuck" if that's what you mean.

I don't know what your latitude is but say call someone in your time zone but lives considerably south or north of you and ask them where the Moon is and compare it. I'm sure you've flown in a plane right? I always get a window seat to gaze out at the curvature of the Earth. You're essentially intimating that there must be the Moon I observe and the Moon others observe is a different moon. Every hundred miles or so I travel it is replaced with a different Moon -- the one that was where I came from is "up there" but this one is altogether different. I ask in all curiosity, how is it that you and others cannot see the fact that stars and planets are not flat discs? What makes you think this?

EDIT: Oh, you edited out my "fuck". Thanks for also being a censor.

[Novem5er]

I'm glad Elihu expanded on my idea of this as a "trust issue".

Like Elihu said, if it turned out that NASA was lying about everything, and they were caught, could we even imagine the implications of that? It would discredit every human institution, going back hundreds of years, and would cause us to reconsider the very fabric of our reality.

I'm going to switch that around, though, and propose that if a person already questions the fabric of reality and already distrusts every human institution, going back hundreds of years, then it wouldn't be far-fetched to believe that the earth is flat.

Flat Earth theory is a symptom of systemic distrust, rather than the cause.

[maco144]

Why? Flat Earth I ask in all curiosity, how is it that you and others cannot see the fact that stars and planets are not flat discs? What makes you think this?

We can see exactly what stars are. Here is a video of them as well as highly plausible explanation for what causes them.


What makes yow defend the position that the twinkling light of a star is a sun tens of trillions years miles away other than pure indoctrination? Camera glitch????? Distortion????

[maco144]

Interesting how a lot of the reasons to support the globe model that are mentioned in this thread aren't even based in reality and are easily refuted regardless of what your version of the earth looks like. Things like a ship on the horizon as proof of a globe is actually nothing more than the law of perspective. Ships dont disappear over the horizon due to curvature, and should you pull out a telescope youd plainly see the ship is still there.

I'm sorry, but this is nonsense. The reason you can still see the ship (like in the video you posted. That ship isn't even on the horizon, and it's traveling parallel to it so it's completely useless) is that it hasn't gone over the horizon. Damn, just go to the beach and look at the horizon and you can clearly see the curvature of the Earth, and if a ship is coming towards you from over the horizon you will first see the top of the ship before the whole ship comes into view.

If you go deep on flat earth you learn how many unproven theories modern science builds upon. Things like gravity, tidal locking, correalis, relativity are all unproven hogwash that the flat earth model doesnt need to work or explains better. Anyone who takes the time to really investigate should become quite alarmed at how many unproven theories are held as fact.

Again - nonsense. Gravity is real. It's not fully understood but real, and so is tidal locking and relativity (relatively speaking). Same with the coreolis effect - go to the equator and you can see it in action yourself.

The point of the videos was to demonstrate that when distances get great, due to the law of perspective the top of the boat appears before the bottom. The hull is in the water, which has a horizon much closer to than that of the sail which 'touches' the much farther horizon than that of the sky. To say that the ship disappears exclusively due to being on a globe means you must also simultaneously believe the law of perspective does not apply. A similar viewpoint you must hold then is that all train tracks converge to a single point on the horizon.

How do you know gravity is real? The entire concept of it is nonsensical.

[82_28]

Tall ships have very high masts with the hull being in a constant state of floating. If you see one slip over the horizon that means you have seen the vanishing point due to the curvature of the Earth.

Do you suppose the Sun is just a disc itself and just gets turned on like a light?

Goddamn Jesus.

[backtoiam]

maco144 I have been studying sonoluminescence and cymatics for years. That video holds a lot of sentimental value to me due to some of my experiences in life. Thank you for that video, really.

[82_28]

This link is going to do no good.

https://books.google.com/books?id=tYuO_ ... ip&f=false