NASA Satellite stops on a dime!? WTF!!!

[maco144]

[maco144]

I strongly suspect this whole non-issue has been designed as a distraction from the 15th anniversary of something real (and as a way of tainting that real issue by association, on any board that hosts discussions of both). So I would like to see this non-issue disappear off the front page as soon as possible. But I'll ask you one question, maco144:

Are there any OTHER flat heavenly bodies out there?

If so, which ones, exactly?

If not, why not? Why is the earth unique in being flat?

Flat earth clearly implies geocentric universe therefor Earth is different than what's in the heavens. Did you watch the videos of stars and planets I posted earlier? Perhaps you could start with what I've already posted to advance your knowledge of the planets/stars/firmament.

[AlienSpaceBat]

There is no force that pulls down. This is extremely simple to understand. Even if you believe that gravity exists you must also recognize the downward pressure coming from the atmosphere stacked above. If you cannot acknowledge that no amount of words/images/videos will help.

If you drop an apple inside a vacuum chamber, will it fall towards the earth ?

[Harvey]

I strongly suspect this whole non-issue has been designed as a distraction from the 15th anniversary of something real (and as a way of tainting that real issue by association, on any board that hosts discussions of both).

The most reasonable explanation and yet other recent threads sort of have that effect, in aggregate.

So I would like to see this non-issue disappear off the front page as soon as possible.

Rather.

But I'll ask you one question, maco144:

Are there any OTHER flat heavenly bodies out there?

If so, which ones, exactly?

If not, why not? Why is the earth unique in being flat?

Privileged knowledge takes many forms. Flat earth is only one. I met a man convinced that Marx was unutterably wrong about everything and also that 'shooting stars' were the knobbly bits which stick out and catch the light from below until they fall off the sky. He might have been pulling my leg.

[maco144]

All observable water comes to rest at a level. This creates quite an issue on the globe model explaining how their water is curved. Between California and Hawaii there must be a level mountain of water hundreds of miles high to account for rotundity. If the formula for curvature in feet is Miles^2*8 / 12 then one quickly realizes that objects on the horizon are almost never going to be visible as the curvature would obscure them.

[maco144]

There is no force that pulls down. This is extremely simple to understand. Even if you believe that gravity exists you must also recognize the downward pressure coming from the atmosphere stacked above. If you cannot acknowledge that no amount of words/images/videos will help.

If you drop an apple inside a vacuum chamber, will it fall towards the earth ?

Yes clearly, the medium cannot support it. Youre just changing variables and still not understanding that there is no force pulling downwards.

[maco144]

[AlienSpaceBat]

There is no force that pulls down. This is extremely simple to understand. Even if you believe that gravity exists you must also recognize the downward pressure coming from the atmosphere stacked above. If you cannot acknowledge that no amount of words/images/videos will help.

If you drop an apple inside a vacuum chamber, will it fall towards the earth ?

Yes clearly, the medium cannot support it. Youre just changing variables and still not understanding that there is no force pulling downwards.

So, it isn't 'downward pressure' that makes a thing fall towards the earth then ? What is it that makes the apple fall downwards rather than staying at the position it was released at ? There is a force acting on the apple - it is either pulling it or pushing it towards the earth; what is the name of this force and where does it come from ?

[DrEvil]

All observable water comes to rest at a level. This creates quite an issue on the globe model explaining how their water is curved. Between California and Hawaii there must be a level mountain of water hundreds of miles high to account for rotundity. If the formula for curvature in feet is Miles^2*8 / 12 then one quickly realizes that objects on the horizon are almost never going to be visible as the curvature would obscure them.

The oceans aren't completely flat (or smoothly curved). They have dimples in them, caused by differing gravity (depends on the depth of the water / underwater features). Gravity isn't constant everywhere on Earth, and the difference can be measured.

Btw: How come GPS base-stations can give me pinpoint locations when I input:

a) a spherical coordinate system
b) a spherical model of the Earth

Also: what is this formula? Miles^2*8 / 12. Where did it come from, and what does it describe?
Curvature of what in feet, related to what?

[82_28]

Bro, have you ever been in a plane? I've asked this before. But a plane at normal domestic airliner altitudes? You can see the curvature of the Earth. You're free to believe anything you want, but I don't know how much more sense by all partaking of this thread can make to tell you that you are wrong.

The spinning wet tennis ball analogy is stupid. I'm not even going to go into the reasons why.

[maco144]

There is no force that pulls down. This is extremely simple to understand. Even if you believe that gravity exists you must also recognize the downward pressure coming from the atmosphere stacked above. If you cannot acknowledge that no amount of words/images/videos will help.

If you drop an apple inside a vacuum chamber, will it fall towards the earth ?

Yes clearly, the medium cannot support it. Youre just changing variables and still not understanding that there is no force pulling downwards.

So, it isn't 'downward pressure' that makes a thing fall towards the earth then ? What is it that makes the apple fall downwards rather than staying at the position it was released at ? There is a force acting on the apple - it is either pulling it or pushing it towards the earth; what is the name of this force and where does it come from ?

There is nothing below the apple to support it therefor it falls being denser than nothing. The atmosphere that pushes us downwards us resisted by the fact that we stand atop a denser medium. This is elementary level simplicity and should you had not been indoctrinated into believing big G you could easily understand this.

[maco144]

All observable water comes to rest at a level. This creates quite an issue on the globe model explaining how their water is curved. Between California and Hawaii there must be a level mountain of water hundreds of miles high to account for rotundity. If the formula for curvature in feet is Miles^2*8 / 12 then one quickly realizes that objects on the horizon are almost never going to be visible as the curvature would obscure them.

The oceans aren't completely flat (or smoothly curved). They have dimples in them, caused by differing gravity (depends on the depth of the water / underwater features). Gravity isn't constant everywhere on Earth, and the difference can be measured.

Btw: How come GPS base-stations can give me pinpoint locations when I input:

a) a spherical coordinate system
b) a spherical model of the Earth

Also: what is this formula? Miles^2*8 / 12. Where did it come from, and what does it describe?
Curvature of what in feet, related to what?

[maco144]

Bro, have you ever been in a plane? I've asked this before. But a plane at normal domestic airliner altitudes? You can see the curvature of the Earth. You're free to believe anything you want, but I don't know how much more sense by all partaking of this thread can make to tell you that you are wrong.

The spinning wet tennis ball analogy is stupid. I'm not even going to go into the reasons why.

So instead of attempting to go in to reasons why the tennis ball analogy is stupid you choose to bring up a point I've already addressed and answered. The horizon doesn curve, I posted pictures from outside planes which is way more evidence than your own subjective opinion. And I told you why you believe you see a curve (the window isn't a perfect medium to see through & mental model believing you see a curve). Then I questioned why if you believe you saw a curved horizon, how come you dont also see 'down the side' to which I've received no answer.

I have an answer for all your questions because Ive asked them all before. I dont really feel like continuing to rehash the same answers over and over to people who don't seem to find any takeaways.

[DrEvil]

Bro, have you ever been in a plane? I've asked this before. But a plane at normal domestic airliner altitudes? You can see the curvature of the Earth. You're free to believe anything you want, but I don't know how much more sense by all partaking of this thread can make to tell you that you are wrong.

The spinning wet tennis ball analogy is stupid. I'm not even going to go into the reasons why.

So instead of attempting to go in to reasons why the tennis ball analogy is stupid you choose to bring up a point I've already addressed and answered. The horizon doesn curve, I posted pictures from outside planes which is way more evidence than your own subjective opinion. And I told you why you believe you see a curve (the window isn't a perfect medium to see through & mental model believing you see a curve). Then I questioned why if you believe you saw a curved horizon, how come you dont also see 'down the side' to which I've received no answer.

I have an answer for all your questions because Ive asked them all before. I dont really feel like continuing to rehash the same answers over and over to people who don't seem to find any takeaways.

In regards to the bolded bit:
You are seeing 'down the side' when you're looking at the horizon from a plane, just like you're seeing parts of the side of an apple if you look straight at it.

And how come the horizon is completely different in different pictures. You can take pictures that will put any arbitrary point on the planet on the horizon. How does that work if it's flat? Is every picture ever taken from a plane faked?

You haven't actually answered any questions. You keep harping on about the law of perspective and dismissing as a hoax anything that doesn't fit your worldview.

And most importantly: Let's assume for a moment that you are absolutely right and that we've all been indoctrinated to believe we live on a sphere when in reality we live on a flat world.
WHY? What's the point? Who is behind it? What do they gain? How do they enforce the narrative?

Edit: The tennis ball example is stupid because a tennis ball doesn't have the mass or size of the Earth. To get anything resembling a fair comparison you would also have to scale down the rotational speed of the tennis ball to match the smaller size. Let's say one rotation per day, just like the Earth. Do you still think the water would be flying off it?

[82_28]

You have received so many refutations that I can't keep track. A lot of people here have done a really good job of avoiding out and out ridicule. Answer if you want, but do you have children? If so, are you going to be teaching them this nonsense or will you let them make up their own minds due to inquisitive minds and all? Say they go to school and then university, what good will what you raised them on do them? They will be confused. That's basically in a nutshell why I personally persist in needling you. Not because you do or don't have kids, but that you realize this is going to always be looked at as bullshit.

I've been confronting people like yourself my entire life. Whether they be creationists, fundamentalists, I guess now a flat Earth person etc. I even confront atheists and 9/11 truthers. Here's the thing, the proof is in everything that has been said in this thread that wasn't written by you. Frankly, I have and others have kept a 5% open mind about what you espouse, hence you not being wrangled to the mat yet.

My feeling is that I see you as someone, like Nordic said, a troll or that your mind is not open to reality or open thought.

We had this guy here years ago. I can't even remember the person's name/handle but he drew lines all over the surface of Mars. He gave up.

Give us a personal write-up about how you went from ordinary science (I assume) to how you "groked" (it's grokked btw) flat Earth stuff. You apparently want us to take you seriously. Lay it on us.