The Mandela Effect (Disappearing Braces in Moonraker)

[Rory]

om bhūr bhuvaḥ svaḥ
tát savitúr váreṇ(i)yaṃ
bhárgo devásya dhīmahi
dhíyo yó naḥ prachodayāt

My dyslexic reading of the thread title

[Harvey]

I remember the braces. If not alternative realities colliding, could this be something to do with the woman appearing unduly young in the original scene including braces?

If so how might the scene (and it's alteration) be read in the context of the time, with rampant paedophilia going on across the entertainment industries?

And LOL @ Rory.

[norton ash]

I remember the braces. If not alternative realities colliding, could this be something to do with the woman appearing unduly young in the original scene including braces?

If so how might the scene (and it's alteration) be read in the context of the time, with rampant paedophilia going on across the entertainment industries?

And LOL @ Rory.

I remember the braces, definitely. And I concur with Harvey that the removal may have much to do with the studio deciding to 'de-perve' what they could of the 'little girl' aspects.

[Belligerent Savant]

^^^the most logical explanation, surely.

Rest assured, folks: I'll be searching for that old VHS recording of Moonraker in the dusty cellar. Once obtained, I'll convert the clip in question to youtube video and BRING DOWN THE INTERNET.

(cue incremental uptick of maniacal laughter..)

[norton ash]

This led me to reflect on two fairly recent examples of braces-on-actors -- Katie Holmes in the series 'Ray Donovan' and Parker Posey in 'Best in Show.' In both, the characters were drawn as wealthy and privileged, but clearly 'damaged' and cases of arrested development. The braces now seem (in hindsight) a pretty obvious means to make them 'child-like.'

[guruilla]

^^^the most logical explanation, surely.

So far, at least.

If I heard a close friend or a family member died again, that would be something. But it's never that, the feeling that "someone that just died was already dead" only happens with celebrities, media figures, persons with mass popularity. So maybe it's only an effect of the consumer mind.

I remember staying in a hotel on St Mark's Place in 1986, when I was 19; there must have been a radio in the room because (as memory has it), I was listening when they announced that Bob Dylan had died and that they would play Dylan songs all day. Dylan meant nothing to me so it was no big deal. I don't remember "finding out" that Dylan was alive, just gradually realizing that he wasn't dead. Easy to see how these things could happen, or be engineered, in the pre-Internet days and then just get forgotten about. Harder to see how they could now, without leaving a massive Cookie-trail.

Linking two current threads together:



Seems this happens quite a lot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_p ... obituaries

An honest mistake.

Or...

One of the principal uses of media manipulation is to continuously undermine the people's sense of what is real and to neutralize their natural capacity to discern false from true information, thereby making them more and more reliant on external, official sources. To control the present depends largely on an effective, continuous rewriting of the past. The less people are connected to the past, the more susceptible to control in the present they become. Hijacking the faculty of memory -- and/or people's trust in their own memories -- is essential to this process, which is less about establishing a specific, useful narrative for the past than about constantly disrupting established narratives to create a sense of instability, unreliability, extreme subjectivity, and "cognitive vertigo." To this end, media-narratives are created, established, and then subverted, refuted, or altered on a regular basis, until the people's capacity to trust their own perceptions is completely compromised. This method is to be applied on both macro and micro levels, from global events to the most seemingly trivial of details, until it fully pervades the media-sphere.

Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars, third version (1996)

[km artlu]

When my girls were little we had at least two dozen Beren-stein/stain books which I read to them often. They were a constant feature of everyday life. I noticed the switch from stein to stain when reading recent vintage versions to my granddaughter in the last few years.

I say, "noticed the switch" because back in the day I clearly recall noting the oddity, for the time, of a kid's book character having an ethnic name; a memory consistent with 'stein' and not 'stain'. They were Jewish bears, and that was that.

I assumed the switch to 'stain' in the present day was a marketing-based decision, until encountering the Mandela effect meme. I have zero doubt that in the '80s it was 'stein'.

It's that certainty (bolstered by the attached memory of pondering the ethnicity of the name) which compels my attention to the implications of this thing. For example, it raises questions about the assumed sequential nature of time, as contrasted with the possibility of temporal simultaneity..?

[Agent Orange Cooper]

I remember the braces. The scene indeed does not make sense without them... I guess you could interpret it as Jaws seeing the young woman's seemingly perfect teeth smiling back at him as an acceptance of his scary appearance by one who is 'normal,' but the braces thing just makes so much more sense.

Lots of, ahem, impressionable people will claim up and down that these so-called Mandela Effect examples (do you remember Fruit Loops or Froot Loops? Berenstein Bears or Berenstain Bears?) is evidence of time-travellers (or archons, or time-travellers by way of archons) tampering with the fabric of history to fuck with all our heads. I'm unique in that I don't find this all that far-fetched... but it still feels a cheap interpretation, as if a time-traveller wouldn't have better things to do with their Time than fuck around with the production of cereal boxes. And there is actually far more convincing evidence for such an interpretation out there. So the whole thing smacks of a psy-op to me, one along the lines of Flat Earth, ie, it came out of nowhere to suddenly be everywhere. But still it is more interesting than FE given that there is actual scientific proof to explain why FE is bogus, whereas there are only vague speculations regarding ME.

I have yet to hunt down a VHS copy of Moonraker to see for myself (they are plentiful enough in thrift stores I frequent), but if it does prove that there were no braces in an original 80s VHS copy of the film, it's hard for me to imagine that this would be a terrestrial conspiracy. It would simply be impossible to somehow alter the millions of copies of the film that are still in circulation. It would have to imply either a) our memories are just weird in what details they prefer to remember or not, or b) we are indeed being interfered with on some metaphysical level.

[OP ED]

I'm pretty sure that I own items with both the berenstein and berenstain spellings and I remember being confused about this twenty years ago. Maybe some people just don't read cursive well and lazy production editors who misspelled the authors' names probably don't help.

Can't say for moonraker, as I've never seen it except in bits on television.

[guruilla]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interview ... pire_(film)

Interview with the Vampire

etc

No sign of "A" version on ebay: http://www.ebay.ca/sch/i.html?_odkw=int ... S&_sacat=0

I remember Interview with A Vampire pretty well, coz I hated it so much & even had it on my "10 worst films by respectable directors" list, back when I was still a Movie Buff.

The reasonable explanation is "simply" that people, even the book's author and film's director, kept mis-naming it, for whatever reason, and so the title stuck?

[Edit, but then why all the confusion now?]

[Wombaticus Rex]

I was introduced to the work of Anne Rice as books on tape driving around the country with my mom.

I definitely remember it as "Interview with the Vampire."

[OP ED]

Quite.

[Burnt Hill]

Same, as my Mom loved the book and we would discuss "the Vampire".
Plus, most of the people in the video are saying "the Vampire",
just not pronouncing the second (or maybe the first) th sound.

Of course now I am having a giant deja vu because I am certain we have discussed the th sound while saying "with the" here before.?

[Searcher08]

I did a search on Google books for Interview with a Vampire and there are entries for this
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=interview+with+a+vampire&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&ei=G7LlV-uwEsjO8ge2wKoY#tbs=cdr:1%2Ccd_min:1900%2Ccd_max:1999%2Csbd:1&tbm=bks&q=%22interview+with+a+vampire%22

[JackRiddler]

but it still feels a cheap interpretation, as if a time-traveller wouldn't have better things to do with their Time than fuck around with the production of cereal boxes.

Sort of like a god who is everywhere and all-powerful and all-beneficient and knows everything, but never reveals itself definitively except through ancient legends, scriptures, or exclusive representatives, who in turn claim that it demands that everyone else (to whom it refuses to talk) must believe in only one very particular form of it and will suffer eternal damnation if they pick the wrong form.