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Postby guruilla » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:14 pm

Agent Orange Cooper » Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:24 pm wrote:
Joe Hillshoist » Mon Nov 21, 2016 2:45 am wrote:
guruilla » 19 Nov 2016 16:26 wrote:Of all of this data, the police sketches supposedly linking the Podestas to McCann is the weakest and I think the most likely thing to be unadulterated well-poisoning. Why would two of the most powerful players in Washington who (if they belong to high-power pedophile-rings) have unlimited access to children do their own kidnapping? It makes no sense at all.


The whole thing is weak but you've got the critical thinking skills of a decapitated newt so you didn't notice.


So civil. He totally deserved that! Thanks for setting us all straight, and for your righteous defense of the poor Podesta family. Your attitude is just what I love about this place.

I think that was technically greenspeak ^^^ :lol:

When people start insulting you instead of addressing your arguments, you know you've struck a nerve.

Irony of the hour: I've never witnessed such a proliferation of ignorance as I have lately here at RI. I mean never, anywhere in the world or the worldwide web. Jeff Wells must be turning inside his Facebook account.
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Re: What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

Postby slomo » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:32 pm

guruilla » 21 Nov 2016 16:14 wrote:
Agent Orange Cooper » Mon Nov 21, 2016 4:24 pm wrote:
Joe Hillshoist » Mon Nov 21, 2016 2:45 am wrote:
guruilla » 19 Nov 2016 16:26 wrote:Of all of this data, the police sketches supposedly linking the Podestas to McCann is the weakest and I think the most likely thing to be unadulterated well-poisoning. Why would two of the most powerful players in Washington who (if they belong to high-power pedophile-rings) have unlimited access to children do their own kidnapping? It makes no sense at all.


The whole thing is weak but you've got the critical thinking skills of a decapitated newt so you didn't notice.


So civil. He totally deserved that! Thanks for setting us all straight, and for your righteous defense of the poor Podesta family. Your attitude is just what I love about this place.

I think that was technically greenspeak ^^^ :lol:

When people start insulting you instead of addressing your arguments, you know you've struck a nerve.

Irony of the hour: I've never witnessed such a proliferation of ignorance as I have lately here at RI. I mean never, anywhere in the world or the worldwide web. Jeff Wells must be turning inside his Facebook account.

I think the insult was also directed at me, which I find ... ironic, given what I do for a living. But whatever, people can apply critical thinking in some areas and not others.

I too find it extraordinarily interesting how people here (of all places) are rushing to defend these guys. I mean, I understand that none of the evidence yet uncovered would convict Podesta, Alefantis et al. in a court of law (except possibly for technical child abuse, i.e. the picture of that child restrained by masking tape, and even then probably not because the perp's face isn't shown). At best, it substantiates an assertion about our civilization, i.e. that it is run by pedophiles, human traffickers and serial killers from very high up. A fact that has actually been documented several times in the past (mostly in Europe), so in some ways Pizzagate is gratuitous. But if enough dots can be connected this time, it may be the straw that breaks the camel's back in terms of public opinion about the true nature of our civilization. Not holding my breath, though.
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Re: What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

Postby guruilla » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:49 pm

slomo » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:32 pm wrote:I too find it extraordinarily interesting how people here (of all places) are rushing to defend these guys. I mean, I understand that none of the evidence yet uncovered would convict Podesta, Alefantis et al. in a court of law (except possibly for technical child abuse, i.e. the picture of that child restrained by masking tape, and even then probably not because the perp's face isn't shown). At best, it substantiates an assertion about our civilization, i.e. that it is run by pedophiles, human traffickers and serial killers from very high up. A fact that has actually been documented several times in the past (mostly in Europe), so in some ways Pizzagate is gratuitous. But if enough dots can be connected this time, it may be the straw that breaks the camel's back in terms of public opinion about the true nature of our civilization. Not holding my breath, though.

Me either; and as I think I've said before, there may be more to be learned from observing people's responses to this sort of material than the material itself which, even if it eventually leads to convictions or consensus, probably won't change anything within the structures of abuse themselves.

In the latter phase of this thread, I have learned very little about Pizzagate (or "Pizzagate" as some insist it should be known), but quite a bit about RI and, by extension, society's methods of denial, subterfuge, and (perhaps mostly unconscious) endorsement of those structural abuses of power.

I've often talked about how institutions, if they are around long enough, & due to the primary directive of self-preservation, begin to serve a function directly opposed to their originally stated one: hospitals' and doctors' unconscious agenda becomes to create sick people so as to maintain their own stability, and so on.

Consider for a moment, then cast your mind back to Jeff Wells' original focus and aim at RI . . . :whisper:
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Re: What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

Postby maco144 » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:49 pm

This forum has boards for franklin scandal, pedophilia, occult rituals, etc. All members here are well versed in all these topics and then when they see it happening in the present it becomes too much to handle and they shy away. Really pathetic and weak imo.
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Re: What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

Postby slomo » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:57 pm

maco144 » 21 Nov 2016 16:49 wrote:This forum has boards for franklin scandal, pedophilia, occult rituals, etc. All members here are well versed in all these topics and then when they see it happening in the present it becomes too much to handle and they shy away. Really pathetic and weak imo.

That's because it's "art". God forbid if we should criticize anything labeled "art", because that would be philistine of us. Even the most shocking, degrading depiction of ultimate horror, if done by the right people in the right setting, is suddenly excused because it's "art". How dare you judge them!

And let's just dispense with the BS OMG you're homophobic, you're criticizing Alefantis because he's gay! I'm a gay guy who is thoroughly repulsed by Podesta's art, Alefantis' "jokes" about child abuse, and every other fucked up thing about that circle of lunatics. There's at least one other gay guy here at RI who has pretty much said the same thing.
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Postby divideandconquer » Mon Nov 21, 2016 9:47 pm

https://www.reddit.com/r/pizzagate/comm ... n_with_an/

On The Legitimacy Of This Investigation (with an important message to fellow journalists I know are lurking on this sub)

submitted 3 hours ago * by Throw-Away-Journo - announcement

Edit: this is a throw-away account, I will not be using it further nor answering any questions

Edit2: impossible to get such a piece passed my editor, so I'm leaving it here for people to distribute (send it to journos if you have the emails, it will silently resonate)

We are told the work on /r/Pizzagate (and other message boards) is illegitimate because people are rushing to conclusions, or because they are being paranoid, or partisan (despite so many of different political complexions provably working together). The subtitle here of course is that the State is solely legitimate to suspect and investigate crimes.

But what if the State itself is, in a systemic way, responsible for said crimes? It wouldn't be a first; after all, democide (death by government, a word surprisingly absent from conversations) was the first cause of non-natural deaths in the 20th century. Whether one is from the right, left, or center, one cannot deny government is the number one abuser, enslaver and serial-killer in History. We may honestly disagree on the ways to eradicate the phenomenon, or we may regret that fact, but we cannot deny it.

So, if the State itself is committing crimes, it is the people's sovereign and sacred duty to expose it. Those who understand this truth best tend to become journalists. At least, that's what drove me to the profession.

Now specifically on this work. First, there is context; institutional child abuse is already a common-knowledge phenomenon. From the Presidio affair to Jimmy Saville and the BBC, or from the Vatican's historic involvement in covering-up pedophilia to US legislators' documented trips on the "Lolita Express", from the questions still surrounding Dutroux to the Hampstead doubts, the scourge has been featured in the news, movies, documentaries, art work. There have also been many policymakers, prosecutors, investigators and victims denouncing the very phenomenon; see for example British MP John Mann passionate speech before Parliament on the subject last year, or the extensive report by former undercover Interpol agent (Bannon). Indeed it is a secret de Polichinelle. So the only possible disagreement can be on the scale and systemicity of the phenomenon.

To honestly decide whether that's what we are seeing in the Podesta emails, please have a look at this one example. Look at the invitation at the end of the thread. Ms Luzzatto is inviting people (among which are John and Mary Podesta) to a farm in Lovettsville. This is what she says:

We plan to heat the pool, so a swim is a possibility. Bonnie will be Uber Service to transport Ruby, Emerson, and Maeve Luzzatto (11, 9, and almost 7) so you’ll have some further entertainment, and they will be in that pool for sure.

Impossible, you say? They couldn't possibly be speaking about abusing the children! After all, what step-grandmother would offer three innocent children up for group abuse?

This is how invitee Drew Littman answers the invitation:

I've never had an affair, so I pass the Walter Jones test.

If you aren't aware, Walter B. Jones has for 20 years been the U.S. Representative for North Carolina's 3rd congressional district; in DC he's regarded as the absurd caricature of a do-gooder, i.e. he is a noble man indeed.

Agreed, if that example was the only one, one could dismiss it as baroque misinterpretation. But there's more, much more. Let's not even get into the handkerchiefs and codewords - even though "cheese pizza" is a known euphemism for "child porn" (and there are abundant examples in the Podesta emails where that term is used in very strange and out-of-context manners).

How about the fact that John and Tony Podesta are old friends of Jeffery Epstein, Dennis Hastert and Clement Freud, three convicted child molesters? Who has so many child rapists as friends? Who stays friends with child rapists after they're exposed and convicted?

How about the Katy Grannan photos plastered around the Podestas' mansion, depicting naked teenagers?

How about Tony Podesta writing he's "very good and a little wired" from being seated next to "the kids" on an airplane?

How about the underground vault on the Podestas' property which admittedly allows them to watch "very complicated video pieces"?

If you are feeling ill-at-ease, that reaction is honorable. And the worse thing is you haven't yet seen much. But for more, you'll have to look for it. Indeed one might be breaking statutory laws by linking to some of the clues Internet sleuths have found in the past three weeks.

For example, did you know James Alefantis, listed 49th "most influential" person in DC by GQ, chef and White House regular, boyfriend of David Brock, owner of Comet Ping Pong, had an Instagram account filled with references to and depictions of child abuse and torture? Indeed it's not just the frescoes in his restaurant or the "artists" he hosts there; it's not even the fact his menu and the logos of three other iconic businesses next door feature FBI-recognized pedophilia symbols. No, this is about his own posts, pictures, comments and friends on social media. Again, you'll have to look it up for yourself. It is hardly ambiguous. Indeed it is Alefantis who puts the pizza in #Pizzagate.

If that surprises you, did you know Arun Rao was caught "liking" several of Alefantis' creepiest toddler Instagram posts? Again, that could be dismissed - only there's all this context, and the fact Mr Rao is a Assistant US attorney, and charged with prosecuting child pornography and abuse.

And if you're still not distinguishing the pattern, did you know that Laura Silsby (Gayler), the woman caught trying to smuggle thirty-three children out of Haiti (a country where the Clinton Foundation isn't without controversy), whose release from jail became a personal matter for Ms Clinton, thereafter became an associate of MyStateUSA, which changed its name to AlertSense, and which is the one providing the technology to issue Amber Alerts?

Enough already. If anything I have proven the legitimacy of the following question:

Is there a systemic pedophilia problem in Washington DC, as we already suspect there is one in Hollywood?

In terms of national systemicity, the statistics are eloquent. The International Centre for Missing Children (ICMEC) estimates that 8 million children are reported missing each year around the world. Of that number, according to U.S. Department of Justice research, an estimated 800,000 children will go missing in the United States alone — a rate of over 2'000 missing children each day — with 466,949 of those cases entered into the FBI’s National Crime Information Center (NCIC) database in 2014. With a current child population (aged 0 – 17) of around 74 million in the United States, the U.S. Department of Justice figures equate to around 1 child in every 92 going missing in the United States each year.

This looks like a systemic problem indeed. Childhood disappearances outnumber cancer deaths in the United States by one third.

Therefore, given the sheer amount of leaked emails, and the suspected phenomenon's scale and repartition, it is likely the data dumps (Podesta and other Wikileaks, Guccifer 1/2, DNCLeaks, etc.) provide some clue to the problem. Therefore, they should be investigated thoroughly under than particular lens, and suspicions need to be corroborated with other (and previously) known facts.

So, my fellow journalists, why aren't you all looking into this? Is it easy for you to dismiss it as confirmation bias?

I'm not going to answer the question for you. At least hop on the bandwagon: this is coming out with or without your help. But remember some moments are defining, in one's career, for one's conscience.

I'll conclude with two excerpts of the Munich Declaration of the Duties and Rights of Journalists (kind of our own Hippocratic Oath).

The responsibility of journalists vis-a-vis the public has precedence over any other responsibility, in particular towards their employers and the public power.

[A journalist's duties include] respecting the truth no matter what consequences it may bring about to him, ... defending the freedom of information, of commentaries and of criticism, [and] not suppressing essential information.

... and one question:

If this doesn't matter, what does?
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Re: What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

Postby FourthBase » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:21 am

Agent Orange Cooper » 19 Nov 2016 01:56 wrote:
slomo » Fri Nov 18, 2016 9:50 pm wrote:The artist who painted the murals at Comet has other work that can easily be googled. All of it is seemingly of an occult nature, depicting obvious scenes of sex and potentially sex magic. To me, these images seem similar in spirit to many of the images on AC's Thoth Tarot deck. Photos of the artist himself show eyes that (to me) demonstrate an occult practice (compare, e.g. with photos of Helena Blavatsky). My feelings/intuitions aside, the murals at Comet are part of a body of work whose themes should really not overlap with a venue that is serious about being "family friendly". Too many of the artists associated with Comet have obvious occult themes in their work. This to me suggests that the jokes made on Instagram represent more than just bad taste. The context renders them something else.


Question, who is the artist who painted the murals & do you have any direct links to pictures of them/him? It's late and my google-fu is running low.


Kim Noble?

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Re: What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

Postby slomo » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:24 am

FourthBase » 21 Nov 2016 20:21 wrote:
Agent Orange Cooper » 19 Nov 2016 01:56 wrote:
slomo » Fri Nov 18, 2016 9:50 pm wrote:The artist who painted the murals at Comet has other work that can easily be googled. All of it is seemingly of an occult nature, depicting obvious scenes of sex and potentially sex magic. To me, these images seem similar in spirit to many of the images on AC's Thoth Tarot deck. Photos of the artist himself show eyes that (to me) demonstrate an occult practice (compare, e.g. with photos of Helena Blavatsky). My feelings/intuitions aside, the murals at Comet are part of a body of work whose themes should really not overlap with a venue that is serious about being "family friendly". Too many of the artists associated with Comet have obvious occult themes in their work. This to me suggests that the jokes made on Instagram represent more than just bad taste. The context renders them something else.


Question, who is the artist who painted the murals & do you have any direct links to pictures of them/him? It's late and my google-fu is running low.


Kim Noble?

Caution: If you do an online image search, TRIGGER WARNING.

No, that's mis/dis-info. De Dionyso.
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Postby FourthBase » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:39 am

slomo » 21 Nov 2016 23:24 wrote:
FourthBase » 21 Nov 2016 20:21 wrote:
Agent Orange Cooper » 19 Nov 2016 01:56 wrote:
slomo » Fri Nov 18, 2016 9:50 pm wrote:The artist who painted the murals at Comet has other work that can easily be googled. All of it is seemingly of an occult nature, depicting obvious scenes of sex and potentially sex magic. To me, these images seem similar in spirit to many of the images on AC's Thoth Tarot deck. Photos of the artist himself show eyes that (to me) demonstrate an occult practice (compare, e.g. with photos of Helena Blavatsky). My feelings/intuitions aside, the murals at Comet are part of a body of work whose themes should really not overlap with a venue that is serious about being "family friendly". Too many of the artists associated with Comet have obvious occult themes in their work. This to me suggests that the jokes made on Instagram represent more than just bad taste. The context renders them something else.


Question, who is the artist who painted the murals & do you have any direct links to pictures of them/him? It's late and my google-fu is running low.


Kim Noble?

Caution: If you do an online image search, TRIGGER WARNING.

No, that's mis/dis-info. De Dionyso.


How did Noble get pulled into the sleuthing, anyway? Just that she is an artist who has survived ritual sex abuse, and painted what appears to be a handkerchief involved, and otherwise no tangible connection? Well, even if she is not tangibly linked to Pizzagate, what she paints seems to align with what everyone suspects -- pardon me, what normal people suspect, based on the mountain of convincing circumstantial evidence. (Again, convincing to normal people.) Also, she might as well be a member of this board, and if she were, few or none would doubt the veracity of her art's testimony. And since someone asked where the victims are...doesn't she count? Do there really need to be victims who come forward with proof that they were raped in that one exact place? Or is the painting of one exact way enough?

So the mural is by this guy, eh?

Just in case...

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Postby justdrew » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:51 am

there appears to be two people called "kim noble"

I suppose the one we're currently talking about is the DC based male artist. Although I wouldn't be surprised if the UK based female DID-diagnosed artist has also been written of here.
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Postby slomo » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:53 am

So the mural is by this guy, eh?

Just in case...

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https://static1.squarespace.com/static/ ... 609018049/

Yeah, more in google images. Guy likes to paint people holding disembodied heads. I'm sure it's symbolic.

Honestly, I've seen equivalently weird stuff painted by normies just getting in touch with their inner chthonic self. By itself I don't see a problem. But in the context of a supposedly family-friendly environment, it's off. It's like it's meant to be a little bit creepy. Why can't he just paint clowns never mind, I'll shut up?
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Postby slomo » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:55 am

Kim Noble came up early on in an attempt to explain the significance of handkerchiefs. Somewhat of a stretch, in my opinion, but it's true that the language "handkerchief that has a map that may be pizza-related" is a little bit weird.
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Postby FourthBase » Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:07 am

At some point a few days ago, I noticed Reddit analyzing an image of a Capitoline Wolf statue in Europe or something, pulled from a suspect's social media account, noting the whole babies-sucking-animal-teats thing, speculating about Antinous, and...that was it. Disappointing. They were getting so close to Latin School and whatever Secret History type shit has been going on there for decades. Which I happened to find myself in the unknowing epicenter of. I was assigned classes with all the legacy creeps. They must've assumed I was one of them, because someone in the Headmaster's Office back then surely knew much, much more about my evil uncle Nino than I did. And then after graduation I wound up reuniting with classmates I hadn't really been friends with during school, dating one female classmate, then another. That phase of my life lasted, oh, 10 years. During which I suspect I was being constantly gaslighted by them, the second group especially. Something about my bloodline, in their generationally-conscious black magick paradigm of the world, I am assuming, made me an appealing target. See, it wasn't just my evil uncle Nino. His father was a serial rapist black magick adept, too. My grandfather. My evil grandfather. Whose sister kidnapped my grandmother, with the help of evil friends. And then my grandmother was raped. And per the Sicilian custom, that meant she was forced to marry him and bear him Rosemary's Babies or something, I don't know what. But definitely evil intentions, whatever they were. My grandfather impregnated her 10 times. The first, a family secret for decades, was supposedly a tragic miscarriage. My father was the second-to-last. My grandfather terrorized my father in the basement. (Not sure about sexual abuse...the evil prick seems to have preferred girls for that.) Tied him up, and brutally beat and whipped the shit out of him, many many times. For no reason. Probably just because my father was so indomitably innocent and optimistic, and black magick cunts apparently love defiling people like that. As I mentioned before, my evil uncle raped my father, too. My father caught him raping a cousin years later, and nearly killed him with his bare hands. Though he was brave, and though I feel he ultimately prevailed in his life over both of the ghouls, he was still scarred by the early trauma and felt too trapped by reflexive loyalty to speak the truth and stand up for himself and object to the rest of his family's deluded pretend-everything-is-okay routine and wistful laments for the two dead demons. But so, I am standing up for him, now. And I am standing up for my grandmother, Nana, too. Whatever evil agenda drove my grandfather and uncle's crimes, is being Blown The Fuck Out, by me, right now. This is like the Marathon thread. Folks, I am part of the story. This thread already should be news. I am exposing the presence of satanic pedophile ghouls at Boston Latin School, a shrine of American democracy. (p.s. For years the alumni records at the school's Association were hosted, unprotected, in the offices of Earle Cooley, the unscrupulous head attorney for the Church of Scientology.) Can someone tip off Reddit, please?
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Postby guruilla » Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:20 am

slomo » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:53 am wrote:
So the mural is by this guy, eh?

Just in case...

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https://static1.squarespace.com/static/ ... 609018049/

Yeah, more in google images. Guy likes to paint people holding disembodied heads. I'm sure it's symbolic.

Honestly, I've seen equivalently weird stuff painted by normies just getting in touch with their inner chthonic self. By itself I don't see a problem. But in the context of a supposedly family-friendly environment, it's off. It's like it's meant to be a little bit creepy. Why can't he just paint clowns never mind, I'll shut up?

Personally I like this art, & don't honestly think it requires a trigger warning. I have done similar (less graphic and also less good) doodles myself. But that's besides the point, I guess. I agree it's an odd choice of artist for a kid-friendly hangout.
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Postby slomo » Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:32 am

guruilla » 21 Nov 2016 21:20 wrote:
slomo » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:53 am wrote:
So the mural is by this guy, eh?

Just in case...

TRIGGER

WARNING

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/ ... 609018049/

Yeah, more in google images. Guy likes to paint people holding disembodied heads. I'm sure it's symbolic.

Honestly, I've seen equivalently weird stuff painted by normies just getting in touch with their inner chthonic self. By itself I don't see a problem. But in the context of a supposedly family-friendly environment, it's off. It's like it's meant to be a little bit creepy. Why can't he just paint clowns never mind, I'll shut up?

Personally I like this art, & don't honestly think it requires a trigger warning. I have done similar (less graphic and also less good) doodles myself. But that's besides the point, I guess. I agree it's an odd choice of artist for a kid-friendly hangout.

My point upthread a few days ago was that the art does have an "occult" theme (don't love that word but I don't know what other word to use that everybody will understand). In and of itself it's not a bad thing (as I said, I have some experience in that regard, as do you, guruilla). The issue I have with the themes is that it provides some context for the images of child abuse we see on the instagrams (one blatantly so, others suggestive of selling children). Without the occult themes, the images could be inside gallows-humor jokes (e.g. "god, I hate having to deal with kids all day long"). Poor taste, but not suggestive of deep evil. But in the context of otherwordly art, the images take on a different meaning, much more sinister. Even that is not enough to flip me towards believing that this is real. But then you add in all the social network connections (e.g. to the DOJ via Rao, not Kline), to the Podestas and their weird emails, to Abramavic and her faux-cannibalism, it begins to feel even more sinister. And then all the weird stuff that's happening right now on social media in an apparent attempt to silence the pizzagate folks. The narrative is "poor Alefantis, he's being victimized by these mean alt-right people on the internet", without any mention of his fucking photographic images of what can only be described as blatant child abuse or references to child abuse. WTF did he expect!?!

Right now my Bayesian posterior probabilities are as follows: 10% internet hysteria ("Arch of..." , kek), 45% real cp network, 45% psy-op to justify clamping down on "fake news".
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