What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

[Wombaticus Rex]

AOC: I don't know either how that sort of malicious trolling is allowed to go on for so long at RI, or why. Maybe to keep the rest of us aware of the stakes?

Not sure what "the stakes" means -- unless you just mean "what happens you expose your line of thought to an external, real world."

More than half of the active participants here would be permanently banned if I was stricter, though. That's definitely true.

Many of you seem to have a really hard, ongoing problem with separating content from participants. I don't expect any of you to change much between now and 2050.

[Harvey]

I don't know. Just presenting this. Episode 8 season 1, Re: photofit and logo.

[guruilla]

A group of women in my circle of friends discovered that slowed down "Gimme Pizza" song like a decade ago, the actual time it went viral. It became an inside joke for them, my partner included. I have been to many a party where women sing "P-I-Z-Z-A" in low warbly voices in order to elicit laughs. I'm also pretty sure they're not pedophiles, they just think funny voices are funny.

^^^ Also evidence.

Not sure what "the stakes" means -- unless you just mean "what happens you expose your line of thought to an external, real world."

That, & knowing that the cyber-trolls are only the first & softest line of attack.

Also, maybe the real stakes: that we all have our own inner jerk just waiting for the right triggers.

More than half of the active participants here would be permanently banned if I was stricter, though. That's definitely true.

I can definitely believe it.

Could even John Lennon imagine a snark-free RI?

[General Patton]

I don't really come here (though I don't come here often) for content, I come here to bounce things off people the likes of which are rare and hard to find elsewhere, AD, Luther, Jack etc

And to have a giggle from time to time.

[dada]

I don't like troll culture. I think it's harmful. A healthy society wouldn't tolerate it.

One of the main hubs of troll culture is a racist, misogynist, pedophilia meme-factory where much of the internet investigating around the subject of this thread is taking place.

I'm not saying any and all data points issuing from troll central should be summarily dismissed. I'm saying none of it excuses their atrocious behavior. As it is, troll culture is normalized, given a pass. It would be nice if this changed.

I'm also not saying that this internet investigation is an organized psy-op. I leave it to others to speculate along those lines.

Personally, I don't give the dregs of the internet that much credit, and I doubt that anyone who organizes psy-ops does, either. It would be like trusting the keystone cops with important strategic missions. You just don't do it. They bumble around, providing distraction and comedy relief. White noise.

But that's just my take on the subject of this thread. And as this thread is on an internet discussion board, I think my take has a place in the discussion. I'm not 'hampering the expose' by commenting.

As if I could. Over forty pages on this message board alone, but I can derail the whole investigation not only here, but across the entire internet, single-handed. I must be some kind of wizard.

Of course, I say that sarcastically. If there's one thing I dislike more than trolls, it's wizards. And not just the dopey pentagrams and tarot cards type, but the kind that fancy themselves in a perpetual struggle in a battlespace of words. Fight your psychic wargames, I'm not playing. I'm a non-magical person contributing on a discussion board. A regular, everyday non-magical person that happens to not like trolls and wizards at all, at all.

[Project Willow]

Since most people at RI seem to align with the social justice warrior ethos, the assumption is that all evidence should & must lead to a conviction, otherwise it's slanderous at best, a witch hunt at worst. Social justice is not my priority or even much of an interest (mainly because I don't think there is such a thing), so that makes for a lot of misunderstanding and rancor.

What does this even mean? I profess, I can't imagine another reason for being interested to the point of paying minute attention and posting about elite trafficking if you're not interested in the fate of victims or bringing an end to the practice, except of course, in the instance of pizzagate, political gain. I remain confounded as to what other motivations there might be. You've made various statements suggesting you aren't concerned with the impact of your writing on RA victims. If you're not anti-Clinton, and you're not concerned with justice for victims, why the heck do you spend time on this?

[guruilla]

What does this even mean? I profess, I can't imagine another reason for being interested to the point of paying minute attention and posting about elite trafficking if you're not interested in the fate of victims or bringing an end to the practice, except of course, in the instance of pizzagate, political gain. I remain confounded as to what other motivations there might be. You've made various statements suggesting you aren't concerned with the impact of your writing on RA victims. If you're not anti-Clinton, and you're not concerned with justice for victims, why the heck do you spend time on this?

Seeing what's hidden changes everything. Seeing everything that's hidden will be the end to all of this concealment and the end of the need to conceal, and then of everything that needs to be concealed.

Healing & integration starts with a single soul, and every other can benefit from that, each time it happens (which it almost never does).

[Project Willow]

What does this even mean? I profess, I can't imagine another reason for being interested to the point of paying minute attention and posting about elite trafficking if you're not interested in the fate of victims or bringing an end to the practice, except of course, in the instance of pizzagate, political gain. I remain confounded as to what other motivations there might be. You've made various statements suggesting you aren't concerned with the impact of your writing on RA victims. If you're not anti-Clinton, and you're not concerned with justice for victims, why the heck do you spend time on this?

Seeing what's hidden changes everything. Seeing everything that's hidden will be the end to all of this concealment and the end of the need to conceal, and then of everything that needs to be concealed.

Healing & integration starts with a single soul, and every other can benefit from that, each time it happens (which it almost never does).

I have no disagreement with the individual words or general thesis. The last sentence I cosign wholeheartedly, with the exception of the parenthetical, as I have witnessed the opposite. But your motivations remain as clear as mist, as none of this squares with your other statements. I remain confounded.

[brekin]

Since most people at RI seem to align with the social justice warrior ethos, the assumption is that all evidence should & must lead to a conviction, otherwise it's slanderous at best, a witch hunt at worst. Social justice is not my priority or even much of an interest (mainly because I don't think there is such a thing), so that makes for a lot of misunderstanding and rancor.

What does this even mean? I profess, I can't imagine another reason for being interested to the point of paying minute attention and posting about elite trafficking if you're not interested in the fate of victims or bringing an end to the practice, except of course, in the instance of pizzagate, political gain. I remain confounded as to what other motivations there might be. You've made various statements suggesting you aren't concerned with the impact of your writing on RA victims. If you're not anti-Clinton, and you're not concerned with justice for victims, why the heck do you spend time on this?

Seeing what's hidden changes everything. Seeing everything that's hidden will be the end to all of this concealment and the end of the need to conceal, and then of everything that needs to be concealed.
Healing & integration starts with a single soul, and every other can benefit from that, each time it happens (which it almost never does).

Most of this has become a sub-genre of conspiracy-entertainment at this point. Probably, a niche genre in itself. Many "researchers" have just become sensationalist pulp writers mining the interest in prurient, taboo, and conspiracy themes. Consciously or not. True Detective & Stranger Things has shown that these themes can be kitsch and t-shirt art.

The Drug War and other wars created equivalent entertainment genres that were derivative and fed the appetite for those who could be entertained by that trickle up misery by proxy. Human trafficking, torture, ritual abuse, human experimenting, elite peddo rings, etc. are go to plot points in screenplays for many now, not social concerns to be exposed.

[Nordic]

Speaking only for myself. This stuff will never end unless it is exposed.

Most people don't believe it happens anyway.

That's how evil people get away with evil so often -- by doing that which is literally unthinkable to most non-evil people.

Hell they could probably joke about it and people would just laugh.

As an harmless example, when I moved from Colorado intobthe swampy heat of Texas in July, people I met would ask me "why?" Because Colorado is a huge tourist attraction for Texans, it's a place you aspire to visit, not leave.

Rather than get into all the personal details as to why I had made the move, I would just start saying "I killed a guy". People would laugh. And move on. It worked great.

But what if I had actually left Colorado because I had killed a guy? It was unthinkable to my listeners, in part because I was saying it out loud. Admitting it. Ha ha.

That Freud pedophile inviting the McCann parents to his house in Portugal where he promised to cook them a nice meal creeps me the fuck out for the same reason. Let's watch these poor dumb fuckers eat their own daughter! Ha ha. Look at what we get away with!

Can I prove it? No. can we prove any of this yet? No.

But all investigations start with a theory.

The scientific method starts with a hypothesis.

That's all we're doing here.

For those who disapprove? Why? Are we hurting the Podestas feelings?

These people made the moral choice long ago to literally have no morals. That is, in fact, their career. To sell anything to anyone. No matter how poisonous, how destructive, how murderous. Look at the people they help.

They're already going to hell.

If you're already going to hell, does it matter what you do? You might as well explores all of of your own evil. Make the trip worthwhile. Justified.

[Project Willow]

I take for granted that most of the people on this forum are motivated by a sincere concern not only for their own loved ones, but for victims, and certainly for the impact that all of this has on a functioning democracy. When I'm confronted quite openly with something other, it does indeed give me pause.

Brekin, I agree this all serves as entertainment for some, and/or entertainment for profit. There is another category however, which I think is much more common, especially on RI, of unaware subjects who've been ordered to "cover" this topic online. This is a major source of poison pills, limited hangouts, honeypots, and forum disruption.

[km artlu]

That's how evil people get away with evil so often -- by doing that which is literally unthinkable to most non-evil people.

No small help to them is that maybe half the people you might ask will tell you there's no such thing as evil. "That's just your value judgement." What sheltered souls they must be to believe that.

>> Willow - what do you mean "unaware" subjects, please?

[guruilla]

The last sentence I cosign wholeheartedly, with the exception of the parenthetical, as I have witnessed the opposite.

I meant full & total integration of all the contents of the unconscious. Enlightenment. Changes everything for everyone; maybe.

But your motivations remain as clear as mist, as none of this squares with your other statements. I remain confounded.

The thing with motivations is that the ones that move us aren't the ones we are conscious of, not as long as we are fragmented. I'm not sure which contradictions you are pointing to; I don't believe social justice is possible because I don't believe there is such a thing as an institution that isn't already compromised by the process of becoming established socially. Looks at these child trafficking rings that create anti-trafficking orgs to move as. That's a microcosm for society, right there.

Is social justice occurring at RI? I wouldn't say so, not even potentially. Is healing happening? In small pockets, here & there. When two souls connect and there's an opening of trust and even love that can happen, healing follows from there.

That's my primary conscious motivation for being here or for any kind of writing or exploration of these subjects. Heavy reliance on the intellect mostly prevents that, however, and creates a sea of snark attacks instead. That's why I keep telling myself not to post anymore.

I agree with just about everything Nordic wrote, above.

[Project Willow]

I meant full & total integration of all the contents of the unconscious. Enlightenment. Changes everything for everyone; maybe.

Again I say, it has been witnessed, at least in the case of survivors of ra/mc. As to some sort of farther transcendence of the human condition, that remains to be seen.

The thing with motivations is that the ones that move us aren't the ones we are conscious of, not as long as we are fragmented.

Exactly, which is why I have told you before that the work is internal. It is not external, it does not lie in making blog posts about pizzagate, it does not lie in whatever is posted on RI or elsewhere. Until you have done the internal work, all external behavior is suspect.

I'm not sure which contradictions you are pointing to; I don't believe social justice is possible because I don't believe there is such a thing as an institution that isn't already compromised by the process of becoming established socially. Looks at these child trafficking rings that create anti-trafficking orgs to move as. That's a microcosm for society, right there.

This is just simple defeatism. There is a difference between justice and social justice. Social justice is concerned with moulding behavior and altering culture. Justice, well, there is a system for it, and it deserves any number of critiques and adjustments, but it involves law based on empirical evidence for harm done. Sometimes the two overlap, sometimes not, but I find your usage of the term social justice rather disingenuous in this circumstance.

Is social justice occurring at RI? I wouldn't say so, not even potentially. Is healing happening? In small pockets, here & there. When two souls connect and there's an opening of trust and even love that can happen, healing follows from there.

That's my primary conscious motivation for being here or for any kind of writing or exploration of these subjects. Heavy reliance on the intellect mostly prevents that, however, and creates a sea of snark attacks instead. That's why I keep telling myself not to post anymore.

Yes, healing is born in attachment, but you won't find that here, not of the kind that will bring forth what is unconscious. You may find brief, detached, anonymous agreement, but it's a fool's errand to believe that is sufficient for healing. I wish you had listened to me in a thread a few months ago when I brought up the issue of the effect your investigations and blog may have on victims. You didn't seem to care, and appeared to express resentment towards the idea that you should. I will make bold to say, again, if and when you do the internal work, within a safe and private attachment, you will do us all a great favor.

[divideandconquer]

I don't agree that "human trafficking, torture, ritual abuse, human experimenting, elite peddo rings, etc. are go to plot points in screenplays for many now, not social concerns to be exposed"...that is for most people, and I don't understand all of this concern for the powerful. What happened to speaking truth to power?

The following may be cringe-inducing for most RI members. But, speaking for myself, as a Christian, and also as a human being, I'm obsessed with finding the truth and the more I delve into this issue--the absolute evil of our rulers--the more I'm convinced that there is a spiritual element, that on some level this is spiritual warfare that's always existed but is now being unveiled...some sort of apocalypse.

I think the important thing here is not whether you believe in God or Satan, but to recognize that the super elite do, that many or most are deeply religious as religion is what gives any crusade its longevity because it resonates in the deepest part of the soul, keeps the fire burning, so to speak. But because their religion normally takes on a nominal Christian/Jewish/Muslim/secular humanist veneer, it’s hard to see until you begin to dissect it. Of course, there are many who are not religious but go along to get along or are compromised in some way.

Anyway, I'm convinced that Luciferianism/Satanism constitutes the nucleus of the ruling class religion. I think that the rampant pedophilia amongst the elite is not so much motivated by sexual attraction to children as it is motivated by their religion and of course the more pragmatic: the dynamic of blackmail and children used as currency in power politics, profit, etc..

The hardest part for most people is to reconcile this evil with the mostly likeable and even sometimes lovable face of these public figures, people that many worship to one degree or another. The bottom line is exposing these powerful god-like people for who or what they really are. That's why I'm investigating pizzagate. I want all the facts before I open my mouth.

And, PW, I don't understand why you are more concerned with guru's blog's effect on victims more than the effect of the atrocious pictures and what I assume are triggering words--considering they've been identified by the FBI as code words for pedophilila--posted by the politically powerful on Instagram, Twitter, etc. for all to see.