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[professorpan]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>But, Whats your take on Pan, Pan ?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Slim, I'll tell you after Floyd tells me what my religious and spiritual beliefs are. <p></p><i></i>

[Floyd Smoots]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I don't know the truth behind the big picture. Wish I did. I've gotten some glimpses here...and tried to share some. Anyone who thinks they've got it all figured out is either misled, lying or delusional. The folks in power...they have been able to hold onto it for a reason. They aren't stupid. They don't put their secrets out there for any Joe Blogger to see and they tend to knock off the few who really are getting close.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>D.E., in the real world, you and I probably wouldn't get along well, Heck, we rarely (but not never) get along here. However, I have learned quite alot from your posts. If nothing else, I hope YOU have learned this much from mine: there ARE quite a lot of southerners who actually use y'all as a singular noun, but usually farther (further?, never could get that one quite correct) south than you and I reside.<br><br>Sorry fellow freedom-fighter, but you'll get no applause from me if you choose to depart. I just think that there be's more stinky cheese in the cupboard than you do. On that, we will, as my most-hated shill for the NWO, George Gordon Liddy says, "agree to disagree". And to think, that just a few short six years ago, I foolishly believed that that particular "bought and paid for" rat's rectum "knew whereof he spoke".<br><br>I could go on, but, for now, I won't. If y'all leaves us, all ah kin say iz Vaya Con Dios, but don't take any pesos from strangers.<br><br>P.S., you left out the "eat dirt" part of my post when you quoted the "and die" part. Let's face it; here at Rigorous Intuition, ALL Bible-believing Christians are assholes, and worse, unapologetic asshoes at that. Jews Rule, and the rest of you goyim/cattle drool.<br> <p></p><i></i>

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

DE, so you've gotten pummeled with labelmakers, too, and know first hand it takes up more damn energy than it's worth to react to the slings and arrows of outrageous postings.<br><br>I guess I wan't clear enough (again) that I do take baseball bats seriously -I wasn't being sarcastic - and I understand your concern about Larouche even though personally I don't fear him or EIR as I do the Bush Crime Family and massive paramilitary intel culture that has grown to take over...well, what hasn't it taken over?<br><br>Again. I value your info and would encourage BamaBecky to learn from you despite the snap of your intellectual towel as I have. (Are you reading, BamaB?)<br><br>So the reason I mention our past isn't for a group gripe about poor me or Becky or to dump on you or promote Larouche/EIR. <br>(You dropped the accusation just as you said you would but proldic picked it up and ran with it. That's the power of framing. Once started...)<br><br>It is because what BamaBecky went through at DU and what you and I and proldic went through over the topic of Larouche exemplifies exactly how the internet is a perfect venue for 'Balkanizing' discussion boards, a Pentagon/CIA desired outcome I don't wish to further. <br><br>Some scoff that this forum isn't worthy of disruptive attention and even less so by the hour with cautions against paranoia and grandiosity.<br><br>I disagree. I have some links to pages at other forums with evidence of 'professional attention' and am convinced that this is more common than anyone would like to believe. And increasing, too. Because cointelpro works so damn well and we can do it ourselves even with no 'help.'<br><br>The Pentagon even admitted recently they were going to own the internet despite bloggers and 'outside propaganda.' They just ran a n internet war game, right?<br><br>BamaBecky got beat up at DU for not knowing all about Mullins and after she told the tale over at ProgressiveIndependent I found other 'liberal' forums clucking over those "anti-semitic" racists over at PI who are "'proponents of Palestinian terror." Utter nonsense. Who would write such a thing, at a 'liberal' forum no less?<br><br>Did you know that DU's admin recently stopped allowing links to PI due to 'a few critics of DU'? Utter nonsense. Not a believable reason at all, like throwing Cindy Sheehan out of the gallery at the misStatement of the Union Address. Something else is happening. DU is getting purged of progressives in favor of DLC 'centrists.' And divisiveness is being used as an excuse. The General Clark internet ops are especially vigorous in their combativeness. Just ask Seventhson about his dances with those wolves and getting badjacketed, even computer identity theft and false-flag posting!<br><br>Recently I found a poster over at PI who regularly posts comments that exactly match the worst characterizations of the liberal anti-war crowd and seem to be intended to discredit PI so that, say, 'conservative' or military boards can get an example of those 'hate-America-first' commie perverts. I found 15 egregious examples from this person/organization in just 10 minutes of searching their posts.<br><br>So websites are being fractured from within and against each other just as popular movements in the world-wide world are. <br>It is just too damn easy to do and serves the fascists.<br><br>This is why I insist that dialogues not degenerate into accusations.<br>Collective intelligence and sharing the knowledge is the only way we're going to hang in there against professional institutionalized fascist MindWar.<br><br>So I encourage you to continue to share your info and not push the beginners away or accuse them of willful intellectual laziness or feed the trolls. We need everyone we can get to understand what we are up against and tell others, including Republicans and military families. Hell, I want the whole damn pie back from TPTB. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 3/2/06 1:17 am<br></i>

[Floyd Smoots]

....as you long ago posted/suggested, I've been to your own blog and read your opinions on "Life, the Universe, and Everything". But thank you, not in the name of Jesus, but in this board's holy name of Jeff for stuffing my electronic mouth with so many, many words that I didn't say. How does a professorial __________like yourself equate adjoining cells with the "same cell"??? I only meant that I would "talk you to death" metaphorically speaking, not beat you to death. I even posted earlier that If I were commanded to kill you, even upon "pain of death" of myself or my family members, that I would offer the PTB to "punch you in the nose a couple of times", or it would be NO DEAL, fellas, go ahead and shoot me now.<br><br>Since I know for a non-disputable FACT that you are NOT stupid, when you attempt to pull little trix like your last post on this board, I am forced to conclude that you are, ergo, evil, or in the grip of the "astral forces" of same. that's all, but, once again, thank you very for the healthy, hearty meal you have fed to us all here with the words you so lovingly placed in my mouth, that I never said.<br><br>You're very, Very, VERY GOOD at what you do!!! How much are you PAID for this rare gift??? Oh, wait a minute, let me "channel" sceneshifter. I'll bet HE knows the Exact Amount!! Oh yes, and if you ever learn of anyone out here in R.I.ville who might need any kind of help at all, PLEASE feel, not quite free, but CHEAP to ignore them to death. After all, they're mostly just "Useless Eaters".<br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[professorpan]

Hugh (and others), the more I think about it the more I think you may be onto something and that I was wrong about efforts to destabilize this board. <br><br>There has definitely been a fracturing, whether intentional or not. If it's intentional, it's been very clever, and fairly successful. <br><br>Notice what the division hinges upon -- and I don't think I have to point it out. Anyone who reads this board regularly knows.<br><br>I still don't think this particular forum amounts to a hill of beans to the real puppet masters. But smaller groups -- especially those known to get their jollies sneaking in their propaganda -- would find this place to be fertile stomping (ahem) grounds.<br><br>Just thinking out loud. Cui bono?<br> <p></p><i></i>

[Floyd Smoots]

And for de last time tonight, professer-fishermon, I take de bait, mon. Nobody t'reaten ta stomp nobody, mon. You just be havin' a bad dream. Go back to sheep (sic), mon. De sheep, dey no bite. De wolves, dey bite you many times, mon. De only one you need, fear, mon, be de Shepherd! Beware de Shepherd. W'en he come, mon, de paradigms dey be shiftin' big-time you know, mon. <p></p><i></i>

[professorpan]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>....as you long ago posted/suggested, I've been to your own blog and read your opinions on "Life, the Universe, and Everything". But thank you, not in the name of Jesus, but in this board's holy name of Jeff for stuffing my electronic mouth with so many, many words that I didn't say. How does a professorial __________like yourself equate adjoining cells with the "same cell"??? I only meant that I would "talk you to death" metaphorically speaking, not beat you to death. I even posted earlier that If I were commanded to kill you, even upon "pain of death" of myself or my family members, that I would offer the PTB to "punch you in the nose a couple of times", or it would be NO DEAL, fellas, go ahead and shoot me now.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I apologize if I interpreted you the wrong way. Mea culpa. Seriously. But since you've taken such a liking to hurling abuse my way, I don't think my assumption that you'd like to physically abuse me was a big leap.<br><br>I didn't completely understand your earlier post or I wouldn't have made the comments I did. I also don't understand your accusations of "getting paid" (I wish I got paid to post on forums!), and I also do not get what you mean about sceneshifter, or ignoring people, or "useless eaters." Honestly. It's incoherent to me. <br><br>But <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>you</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> didn't answer how you know what my religious and spiritual beliefs are. You've accused me of maligning Christians and disbelieving in God, yet refuse to give examples. You can't, because I don't. <br><br>You also erred in accusing me of not believing in God and of using my "electronic, sharp-witted, blood-stained cyber-laser/razor" on "anyone else, of any religious stripe."<br><br>Will you continue to ignore my questions and accuse me of more lies?<br><br>C'mon, Floyd. I'm only asking one more time, and <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>your refusal to answer will be an admission that you're full of shit.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>1. What are my spiritual or religious beliefs, and how do you know?<br><br>2. When have I maligned any conception of God?<br><br>3. When have I maligned yours or anyone else's religious beliefs?<br><br>Clue: I have a *huge* trail in cyberspace, going back over a decade, on multiple boards and mailing lists. You'll waste a lot of time before you are forced to eat crow.<br><br>I'll answer you truthfully, but only if you do the same. <p></p><i></i>

[NewKid]

Not to change the subject, but Jeff, since you're likely reading this thread, have you done or considered doing a post on Chandra Levy? Cortez posted an old Hustler article on mind control that reminded me, among other things, that she disappeared on Walpurgisnacht. <br><br>No telling what you might find there. <br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=newkid@rigorousintuition>NewKid</A> at: 3/2/06 2:26 am<br></i>

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Bingo.<br><br>Besides the examples I mentioned of DU and PI liberal sites I mentioned, the same kind of curfuffle is going on at right wing sites.<br><br>While RI thinks they are invaded by Storm Front types, MuslimAmerica thinks they are invaded by Mossad types.<br><br>(My apologies for the terms used like "Zionazi" on one of the boards at these example links. No, I don't traffic there or advocate them. Searching takes me odd places. Like here.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :p --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif ALT=":p"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br> Just check out the suspicion fever syndrome and causes.)<br><br>Yup, the same disruption and squabbling at each other and the moderators/admin is happening elsewhere and evidence of organizational interference is outlined, even with some pretty convincing technical evidence as far as this non-geek can tell. <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.muslimamerica.net/lf/plandazy.htm">www.muslimamerica.net/lf/plandazy.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>("Read the discussion of the ethics of a team pretending to be a single individual in virtual advocacy, and of exposing that deception.")<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://antipolygraph.org/articles/article-043.shtml">antipolygraph.org/article...-043.shtml</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>("U.S. Military Computer Systems Used to Post Disinformation on AntiPolygraph.org")<br><br>So the way to deal with the potential disruption is to recognize that it CAN BE real. "Yes, Virginia, there be spooks online."<br><br>BUT then don't fall for personalization tactics like accusations, just as Jeff reminded us. Stay on topic, win intellectually, and kill'em with kindness as my mum used to tell me. Just before they beat me up and took my lunch money. <br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 3/2/06 3:10 am<br></i>

[antiaristo]

pan,<br>Why so agitated if we don't amount to a row of beans?<br>Why cheat if we don't amount to a row of beans? <p></p><i></i>

[antiaristo]

Here is why professorpan's comment is not valid.<br><br>Professorpan wrote:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Get over yourself <br> <br>First, the whole non-issue about Qutb putting a fucking COMMA in the wrong place does not constitute lying or twisting someone's words.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>When queried about this professorpan wrote<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Or is it Qutb's missing comma you're still frothing at the mouth about?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br>Professorpan’s argument is plain wrong.<br>Here is what I had written beforehand<br><br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Qutb then produced a quote with these defects:<br><br>- A single sentence was turned into two sentences.<br><br>- A comma was removed and converted into a question mark.<br><br>- A word was removed.<br><br>When it comes to matters of evidence, important court cases have turned on the position of a comma.<br><br>This is important to me because it is my reputation under attack (Stormfront) by the person that has doctored my words.<br><br>That is why the argument put forward by Qutb is invalid.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>And Qutb had the good grace to concede<br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Antiaristo, you win<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>So, professorpan is very wrong, in more than one way, and his argument is invalid<br> <p></p><i></i>

[hmm]

I understand why you are doing this.<br>I imagine the board as it currently stands makes things difficult for you.<br>There is no shame in taking the law into account.<br><br>What i fail to understand is that when one realises one is being lied to about history that people then put so much faith in the alternate theories that are waiting, prepared, for that event.<br><br>I do personally think it is a shame that the topic of the holocaust cannot be discussed in the same way as other topics.<br>I think there are interesting aspects to the holocaust that are relevant to this boards discussions for those of us that are not nazi's or anti-semites.<br><br>i give this as a example,i dont think this thread is in need of a discussion of its merits though..<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/content.php?pg=11">www.normanfinkelstein.com....php?pg=11</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>BEYOND CHUTZPAH : ON THE MISUSE OF ANTI-SEMITISM AND THE ABUSE OF HISTORY<br><br>        In this long-awaited sequel to his international bestseller The Holocaust Industry, Norman G. Finkelstein moves from an iconoclastic interrogation of the new anti-Semitism to a meticulously researched expose of the corruption of scholarship on the Israel-Palestine conflict.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Instead of trying to find fault in what you are doing i think you should be commended and encouraged.<br><br>I hope that people on this board will make an effort to not take discussion personally, it would ease alot of the tension. <p></p><i></i>

[hmm]

i hope you dont take this the wrong way, and know that i have respect for you.<br><br>In some ways, despite being so right, you words wil sometimes come across to the un-innitiated as being very very wrong.<br>Your righteous anger (and righteous it is) wil scare away those you most need to convince.<br>This leads to a situation in which the power of your position gets lost in thread after thread, due to personification of the discussion.<br>The only person i feel this really hurts is yourself, not those that misunderstand (intentionally or not) and twist your meaning.<br>Maybe it would help to realise that those you need to convince are not those replying disingenously,but the silent majority that read the threads, and those that come to these discussion by searching for a subject on google.<br><br>And a calm and reasoned argument free of the personal wil stand the test of time, and may even convince a stranger coming across a thread of yours in the future.<br><br><br>Good luck with your quest...<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[antiaristo]

hmm,<br>I hear what you say.<br>And I hear how you say it.<br><br>And I accept both.<br><br>Thank you. <p></p><i></i>

[MASONIC PLOT]

You have all gotten away from the bottom line and the entire point of this thread, which is:<br><br>JEFF WELLS SUPPORTS LAWS THAT LIMIT A PERSON'S RIGHT TO QUESTION THE OFFICIAL STORY OF A VERY IMPORTANT HISTORICAL EVENT.<br><br>I do not know about the rest of you but I have not seen anyone who has DENIED the Holocaust ever happened. The term HOLOCAUST DENIER is yet another attempt to make anyone who questions the details of the event look like a fringe extremist. The question is WHO was behind the event and who benefits from its agenda? Sure, Nazis are filthy pigs, I certainly lend their cause no support, but why is it wrong for me to simply consider that "things may not be what they seem" when it comes to this particular issue? Should a person be imprisoned for this?<br><br>Is it ok to question the official story of 9-11 on here, or is that too off limits? And if it is ok do you think it is any less offensive to those who lost loved ones in the WTC crash than it is to the people who lost loved ones in the Holocaust. In questioning the official story of such events we do not wish to offend anyone nor inflict pain upon them. WE WANT THE TRUTH so that those who carried out such filthy crimes can be brought to justice. THE HARD QUESTIONS MUST BE ASKED. But now it is ILLEGAL to ask those questions about the Holocaust in many countries, and Jeff and many others on here seem to support such laws. Will you also support laws that forbid one to question the events of 9-11? Surely those are being drafted up as we speak!!<br><br>Come now everyone together, lets chant it outloud "INGSOC, INGSOC, INGSOC!!" <p></p><i></i>