What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

[Wombaticus Rex]

Sweet Tooth, what are you using to access RI that's breaking all the code you quote?

Are you browsing on a retro-fitted Amiga or something?

[Burnt Hill]

"Untouchable" because discussion about what these people appear to be involved with is extremely risky and barely tolerated

Here at RI?
I am pretty sure the Clinton cabal gets covered fairly well.
As does human trafficked/organized child abuse.

The problem with pg is its diffusivity.
That's why I try to ask specific questions and eliminate the chaff.

What about the resistance that is met when aspects of pg are disputed?
That's also telling.

[Burnt Hill]

Its "not really" about the Clintons because it is about so many other things.
Like ceiling fixtures, band posters, restaurant coolers and logos.
Eliminating chaff as evidence is essential in any investigation.
Seeing that as defending the elite is a misinterpretation.

[liminalOyster]

It's insane that some in this thread are so concerned about the probable false flag "gunman" actor who didn't hurt anyone

I only recently started posting here so don't want to overstep my bounds but I think #pg looks increasingly like a load of bullshit, even if it ends up having fingered some of the right people. I'm definitely concerned about the example of the gunman. It's not the first time this has happened. Recall Jared Loughner's obsession with mind control. Could he have been an MK victim. Yes. Could the proliferation of multiply-iterated xeroxes of good information now cum cartoon also have polluted the content of his thoughts? I think so. And I think that's increasingly likely based on the surging commodification of CT.

I've eaten at CPP. I'd rather not get shot or for my children to get shot. Why, I'd even rather they didn't see an angry young man enter the restaurant carrying an assault weapon. That actually holds true, for me, even if pizzagate was suddenly proven true tomorrow. I don't think this makes me an enemy of the republic.

so much more concerned than about everyone the clintons appear to personally have had murdered (like seth rich)

Seth Rich might have been murdered for political payback. I can't say I know all the details of whatever is known at this point. The strongest evidence for this would seem to be the Wikileaks reward for information about the crime. Yet Rich was also in a block group with a very disproportionate amount of gun crime (to which the city of Washington DC is no stranger.) Still the MO for the murder is treated as a certainty far and wide by sources who hate the Clintons for very different reasons than I do. But I do hate them too so any idea that partisanship is at play, for me at least, is silly. Worth remembering that Barney Frank and his affiliates were implicated in Franklin and that Robert Byrd is often implicated in MK narratives.

What role does the popularization and mainstreaming of conspiracy theory have to do with this whole process? House of Cards in particular, seems to me to be very blatantly modelled on a strong caricature of the Clintons as nefarious agents. Is it impossible that's part of the setup for what's happening now?

So to pull back to a bigger view, I don't think I understand what exactly is going on. But I lean towards thinking we're in a fresh epoch for media, propaganda, semiotics in general, weaponized conspiracy theories ( a phrase I feel I'm stealing from someone here maybe?) and a huge critical mass who've taken the paranoia path out of Chapel Perilous. This seems counter to Jeff Well's blog which, for the most part, was fearless but also almost euphorically agnostic. Incidentally, I am sure it's been mentioned but Alefantis produced a short film in 2014 called just that - Chapel Perilous. That, to me, is the cosmic in-joke here, an apparently random but very provocative associative smoking gun not explained purely by human agencies. In this instance, where there are no known victims and no perp has even been tied to a specific crime, I worry very much about how true believers minds are committing to certainty without a correlate self-reflexivity.

Have you looked at the "Fully Sourced Executive Summary of Pizzagate Evidence" over on Voat? Other than the historical precedents, I sincerely don't see anything here that seems damning. I'm curious what on that list really stands out to you if you feel like discussing it.

[Burnt Hill]

I fully comprehend the "feeling of aversion" here.
I just don't see that the Universal Tablet has been accessed.

[Blue]

How absurd. The owner of Besta pizza is an immigrant from Egypt so who knows what specific meaning his logo had. But as barracuda pointed out graphic designers have lots of reasons for the way their end products were created.
i.e. the Apple logo has nothing to do with the Bible.

As far as "scrubbing" the logo. Um, wouldn't you change your logo if some internet nuts spread a nasty viral about the "true" meaning of it?

Besides, if you're going to incriminate CPP's neighboring businesses for their logo's, you should see Little Red Fox's!

The deflection around Pizzagate does feel like a shit-maze.

The original material is less puzzling than the reactions are frankly...

For all we know the FBI "pedo symbols" could be some kind of hoax themselves.

But the "scrubbing" from Besta and Terasol speaks to SOMETHING... these businesses could easily have been transparent about all this.

[tapitsbo]

But on this site you're very much NOT dealing with "true believers" or certainty. I'm not certain about anything here, far from it.

Well, I am certain that many people don't want the material talked about. This could be observed everywhere on the internet it was being talked about originally, over a month ago.

I'm personally MUCH more interested by the reaction to this turn of events (the "fake news" psy-op and so on) than the endless rehashing of the original data points, which have been discussed to death already.

The Clintons and their friends don't need to caricatured as nefarious agents. (Unless you have your head in the sand.)

There are many murders associated with these people and the facts are not known because of the missing or botched investigations - this is what leads to the impression of untouchability, alongside cases of actual impunity like Epstein.

Some of the same individuals that worked with Epstein are hanging out in the Pizzagate Material.

This is a board that's whispered about the Clintons' friends like "Poppy" for over a decade and was more than happy to pile on. But with Pizzagate the tone changes and I think that's because there is very much a threat to consensus reality here that is not as present when a more distinct "other" is in question.

"Weaponized conspiracy theories" have been pushed by the mainstream as well as the fringes since time immemorial. Both demand scrutiny, this is true.

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If there was a nasty internet meme about me that was completely false, it would be easier to respond to it with some measure of transparency rather than the very sketchy "scrubbing" and confusionism around Kline and others...

let's not forget the weird Majestic Ape audience banter that was also "scrubbed"

[Sweet Tooth]

>There is so much evidence.

There really isn't though. Not at all.

>For me, the running theme in Tony Podesta's extremely expensive art collection is the persuasive stuff.

It's not a "running theme" throughout his art collection. These works are by established artists, not custom commissions, and again, they are evidence of nothing other than the fact that Podesta purchased and owns them. It doesn't tell you anything about the man other than his taste in art.

>Djurdjevic, Grannan, Bourgeois, Abramovic.

Yes, these are the artists who produced some of the work that has somehow led people to believe that Podesta is involved in committing some of the worst crimes imaginable. Based entirely on his taste in art. I think that's a lot more shocking than any of the art he has collected!

Also, say what you want about Abramovic's work, or her politics, but she is recognized as an art world superstar pretty much the world over.

>And then throw in Alefantis's entire Instagram account.

I've been following PG from the get-go and I have yet to see evidence of anything worse than occasional bouts of bad taste, dark humor between friends and family, and things that might seem strange but only if totally divorced from their context.

>The pics of pizza sexualized,

He's a young gay man with artistic pretensions who owns a pizza parlor. Him and his friends creating or sharing naughty images that incorporated pizza was not only not unusual, it was probably inevitable! In fact, there is NO evidence for Comet Ping Pong Pizza being anything other than a typical urban pizza restaurant with a bar and a live music venue. Because it is located so close to Washington DC, and is owned by a popular, successful young homosexual man - who was also in a relationship with a well-connected Democratic political activist for a time - he occasionally had some business thrown his way by organizations and individuals connected to the Democratic party, and was friends with a few of them. That's it.

>the taped-to-a-table kid, the dude hugging the baby with the beads around them...

Try imagining you were encountering those images prior to having become infected by the PG viral meme. A smiling little girl with her arms Scotch-taped to the table top does not, to me, conjure up images of ritual abuse or pedophilia. Rather, it's the kind of photograph that a mom or an uncle or a trusted babysitter might enlist the kid's complicity in mounting, to create an image that would give their immediate circle of family and friends a chuckle. "Suzy got into the cookie jar again today... but that won't be a problem anymore! LOL!" I think the number of people who find it to be suspect is so shockingly high simply because they first see it after being infected by the meme. There is nothing in the photograph, itself, that suggests anything even inappropriate, much less criminal.

>Heavy Breathing's posters.

Some are in bad taste, but none of them proof of anything, nor are they evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, of a crime.

>Besta's logo.

Before you can say that the Besta logo is evidence for anything, there are a number of questions you have to clear up first.

Who created the logo? Did the owners do it themselves, or did they hire someone to do it? Once you find out who created it, you then have to try and find out if there's any reason to believe that they'd be knowledgeable about the symbols allegedly used by an underground movement of predatory pedophiles. After all, the logo looks like a slice of pizza with a twist in it so that it also looks like a letter B. When you take into account the fact that the place seems to be just a regular old pizza spot - they don't host live bands or anything like that - and with the understanding that covert symbols and codes are by definition not common knowledge, unfortunate coincidence seems like a far more likely explanation. After all, if the owners of Besta pizza really were pedophiles, broadcasting that fact to the world through the logo for their business would pretty much be the dumbest move in the history of dumb moves.

>The Silsby/Haiti stuff.

This is another puzzle piece that you pretty much have to take the scissors to if you want it to fit where you're trying to stick it. Silsby's work in Haiti, and the Clintons' role in helping her out of a jam there, have been completely misrepresented and spun into a narrative that is far more sinister and nefarious than the facts of the case can possibly support. I offer, in contrast, a report that shows you what a REAL negative critical assessment of Silsby's actions - and the Clintons' role in getting her off the hook in Haiti - should look like:

http://harvardhrj.com/wp-content/upload ... 9/King.pdf

>Like I said, pick five that aren't the usual three things debunkers use as a crutch,

Hmmm...

>Ah, but I should be ignoring you. I doubt you asked the question sincerely.

Double Hmmm...

XO

[tapitsbo]

Overt signalling about child abuse is not a "dumb move" if it can be used to create an overwhelming climate of intimidation, impunity, confusion, and complicity.

In fact, it's quite familiar from the Savile case.

Literally nobody on this site is claiming outrage over the idea of homosexuality. It's literally all about a different topic.

[liminalOyster]

But on this site you're very much NOT dealing with "true believers" or certainty. I'm personally MUCH more interested by the reaction to this turn of events (the "fake news" psy-op and so on) than the endless rehashing of the original data points, which have been discussed to death already.

I didn't mean to suggest you or others who see it differently than me are necessarily "true believers," but IIIRC you said you don't visit the Voat sub. Having spent a few unpleasant stretches over there, I've seen a lot of very concerning activity including: straight up old-school homophobia against all manner of LGBTQ people including threats and unchecked speculation that gay=pedo, nazi-level anti-semitism, people talking about armed "retaliation," etc. As for the "fake news" thing, IMHO, it's nothing new. Just the latest iteration of earlier Cass Sunstein-driven efforts.

The Clintons and their friends don't need to caricatured as nefarious agents. (Unless you have your head in the sand.)

No they don't "need" to be but they are. The resulting caricature is extremely simplified which I think sets a precedent for conspiracy theories that are just re-writes of epic biblical battles between light and dark.

"Weaponized conspiracy theories" have been pushed by the mainstream as well as the fringes since time immemorial.

Do you not think there's been a dramatic shift of some sort in both the volume and manner of such weaponization in recent years? I do. Interesting to re-read this now.

[tapitsbo]

Depends on how you frame things. "Conspiracy theory" and "fake news" being two unhelpful frames.

We've not seen enough evidence for a lot of "mainstream" CT like the official 9/11 story, of course...

Suppressed "truth" like Savile and much else has also been allowed to "come into the light"

Pizzagate undoubtedly contains a weaponized component, but so do a lot of these stories and ideas. We all have our own investments in the conflict over our reality. The importance and nature of "truth" to that investment varies depending on your perspective

Discussion of the Clintons, Bushes, Kissinger, royal families, and associates need not be Manichean, in fact it had better not be if we are to rise above Icke/Jones style conspiratainment.

It's hard to deny that these figures play an important SYMBOLIC, one might almost say "magical" role that differentiates them from the run of the mill "elite"

The MSM is full of talk of armed retaliation against anyone who questions their narratives on subjects like Pizzagate. I'd be more worried about that than a bunch of hot air from people who have a track record of hardly ever doing anything...

[Sweet Tooth]

>Comparing the suspicion brought to bear on the most respectable and
>powerful bodies in our civilization during Pizzagate and analogous
>scandals to Daesh persecution of Yazidis, as Levenda has, is beyond
>nauseating in its incongruity, Sweet Tooth

That is a disgustingly twisted misreading of Levenda's statement, and I think even you don't believe your own rhetoric in this case.

XO

[tapitsbo]

I heartily believe it, and I think Levenda's rhetoric is flimsy and despicable.

I also believe that Pizzagate is not "debunked", nor is it over!

There will be more "fallout" in terms of "revelations" and dots being connected.

[liminalOyster]

Depends on how you frame things. "Conspiracy theory" and "fake news" being two unhelpful frames.

Conspiraganda

[tapitsbo]

Plenty of that going around these days, from the old mainstream as much as from any junky fringe sources. Doesn't mean all conversations about the topics targeted by conspiraganda are now off-limits.

Is the way the Pizzagate discussion seems to have gotten "shut down" in the sketchiest ways conspiraganda? No, it's something else (hasty and suspicious looking damage control, in my opinion.)

(The Reddit employee who had posted about his fetish for eating human flesh surreptitiously editing others' pizzagate posts is just an example)