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tapitsbo » Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:10 pm wrote:Alright, alright, the request again and again has been for testimony. Any testimony is going to be unsubstantiated to begin with.
This is the dynamic guruilla has been referring to.
Worth keeping in mind during "flaps" like pizzagate.
Obviously tons of claims have been made about "untouchable" figures around the world, certainly tons about the permanent establishment in the anglosphere.
They can't all be true, but we know from the bigger picture that's been assembled that many unsavoury activities are going on among these people and their associates.
Of course a lot of people who investigate past a certain point are killed or framed.
Just think of the Elvis impersonator who was framed as attempting to assassinate the president after he tried investigating organ trafficking at the hospital he worked at.
Immediate derisive dismissal of related material, as with Pizzagate, is paradigmatic of the state of mind we collectively have in relation to these topics at present - in my opinion.
A lot of you are trying to fit these phenomena into a formula that isn't really getting us anywhere, is the way I see it.
Grizzly » Sun Dec 18, 2016 8:41 pm wrote:Anyone else here seen this?
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1497611
Grizzly » Sun Dec 18, 2016 8:41 pm wrote:Anyone else here seen this?
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1497611
Burnt Hill » 18 Dec 2016 16:27 wrote:Yes but testimony with circumstantial evidence might get you a warrant.
liminalOyster » Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:39 pm wrote:I genuinely don’t follow how trying to discuss would be equated with derision, much less bullying.
liminalOyster » Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:39 pm wrote:I’d just like to hear how you and others with your view respond to the "Fully Sourced Executive Summary of Pizzagate Evidence" over on Voat. I've asked twice.
liminalOyster » Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:39 pm wrote:That page seems the closest extant thing to a comprehensive dossier. I have never before heard of a multi-perp pedo ring allegation that did not begin with victims, witnesses or investigations into suspected perps and so barring evidence, allegations, reasons for a strong felt sense, I don’t really get how or why anyone believes this particular thing, except as a sort of proof-of-concept for investigating episodes for which there is more damning evidence.
FourthBase » Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:59 pm wrote:If you missed anything, how about you scour the 90 page WH?I? thread from start to finish, just like everyone else has to do. You are not special, you do not deserve an endless reiteration of the basics handed on a platter to you.
Project Willow » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:30 pm wrote:As for the survivor testimony referred to over the last couple of pages, that was probably one of my posts. IIRC, no one responded to it except Op Ed. That's been another constant feature of Pizzagate, on the major forums where it is discussed, every single time I've posted links to credible sources, real cases, peer review, and even when I leave hints about known perps, the material is ignored.
Project Willow » Tue Dec 06, 2016 1:47 am wrote: I only raise my voice anymore to vex people, to be a prodding annoyance while I still have breath in my body.
guruilla » 18 Dec 2016 17:49 wrote:I do not mean this to be a dig, but maybe it has something to do with this:Project Willow » Tue Dec 06, 2016 1:47 am wrote: I only raise my voice anymore to vex people, to be a prodding annoyance while I still have breath in my body.
It's so funny, you know how I survived the labs? I told myself that one day I'd be free and I'd tell people and they'd care and act just like they do with other injustices. LOL! In social terms, I am functionally dead. I only raise my voice anymore to vex people, to be a prodding annoyance while I still have breath in my body.
Fully Sourced Executive Summary of Pizzagate Evidence (v/pizzagate)
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EXECUTIVE SUMMARY AND EXPLANATION OF PIZZAGATE
Introduction
This investigation was sparked by strange emails leaked from John Podesta's email account, some of which make bizarre references to food. These references make sense when we discover they involve known pedophile codewordsPNG like cheese pizza.
The suspected use of "pizza" as a codeword led us to investigate a pizza restaurant mentioned in one of Podesta's emails, namely Comet Pizza and Ping Pong, owned by an associate of the Podestas. We have found considerable evidence that Comet is a front for child sex trafficking.
Exhibit A: Evidence Pertaining to Comet Pizza and Ping Pong
Comet owner James AlefantisJPG had a statue of Antinous as his Instagram profile picture. Antinous was the boy lover of a Roman Emperor, and is considered a symbol of pederasty. On his "jimmycomet" Instagram account, Alefantis posted a picture of a baby, calling her sexually promiscuousPNG. He also posted another baby picture and made a clear pedophile reference. The brother of Jeffrey B. Smith ("werkinonmahnightcheese"), who commented on several of the suspect Instagram photos, referred to a friend as "my favorite pedo"JPG.
Alefantis posted a photo of a child taped to a ping pong tablePNG, and a photo of a walk-in cooler, to which he commented "#murder" and to which Jeffrey B. Smith commented "#killroom." Alefantis also posted a picture of Tony Podesta’s sculpture modeled after a Dahmer victim and one of "spirit-cooking" queen herself Marina AbramovicPNG. In their washroom, Comet had a painting of a man playing ping pong, to which graffiti had been added to show him ejaculating on the table and wearing a Satanic upside-down crossPNG. [An example of misrepresentation/interpretation: the man in the mural is holding a milk bottle as an obvious stand-in for ejaculating penis.] Comet had murals of people with heads cut off, and the artist who painted the murals also painted adults decapitating children.
Listed first on Comet's website under "friends of comet" is the band Heavy Breathing, which performs at Comet. Heavy Breathing leader "Majestic Ape" wears a ski mask and sunglasses, and uses a voice modulator, hiding his or her identity. Majestic Ape joked about pedophile Jared Fogle and said "we all have our preferences, hee hee hee". YouTube, bringing laughter from the audience. In another video, Majestic Ape talks about killing a babyYouTube. Majestic Ape also referenced pedophilia in a caption on a music videoPNG. Heavy Breathing's website features art involving both children and sex.
An employee of Comet posted many images portraying pizza in a sexual way., further fueling our suspicion they are using "pizza" as it is commonly used by pedophiles: a symbol and codeword for sex with minors. Another exampleJPG.
Please examine these symbols designated by the FBI as pedophile symbols. Besta Pizza, which is three doors downPNG from Comet, had a logo that is a near-exact match of the boylover symbol. Another nearby business, Terasol, had a girl-lover symbolPNG on their website. No direct connection to Besta or Terasol has yet been uncovered, but the logos seem quite a coincidence. With that in mind, take a look at Comet's logo. It also resembles a pedophile symbol.
Exhibit B: Evidence Pertaining to John and Tony Podesta
John Podesta is the former Chief of Staff to President Bill Clinton, and was the Chair of Hillary Clinton's presidental campaign. Tony Podesta runs The Podesta Group, a major lobbying firm. The Podestas are associates of James Alefantis, as detailed in Exhibit C. They are also good friends with known and admitted pedophile, former Republican congressman Dennis Hastert. John Podesta received en email suggesting that Hastert shoud vanish to an undisclosed Japanese island after the news of Hastert's pedophilia broke.
Now, let's discuss the specific emails that led to our investigation of Comet.
John Podesta received an email from Tam Luzzatto saying that children of ages 11, 9, and 7 will be "in the pool for further entertainment" and stating that the children "will definitely be in that pool".
In another email, Podesta was told that he left behind a black-and-white handkerchief "with a map that seems pizza-related". A handkerchief with a "pizza-related" map? What the...? It begins to make sense when we discover that handkerchiefs are sometimes used as code for sexual preferences,, and victims of pedophilia express that it’s collected as a souvenir after being placed under the victimJPG. Black and white symbolize bdsm/domination and pedophilia, respectively. Furthermore, as discussed previously, "pizza" is a common codeword for child sex abuse. The meaning of "map" here is unclear.
In another suspiciously cryptic email, a friend complained that Podesta had changed "strategies that have long been in place" and remarked that Podesta sent him "cheese" instead of "pasta," asking if Podesta thought he would do better "playing dominoes on cheese than on pasta". Why would Podesta regularly send this person pasta, why would there need to be a strategy long in place for doing so, and who plays dominoes on cheese or pasta? "Cheese" is a known pedophile codeword for little girls, whereas "pasta" is a known codeword for little boys. "Dominoes" seems likely to be code for domination/bdsm, especially given other evidence pertaining to the Podestas, as detailed below.
Tony Podesta sent John Podesta an email titled "Last night was fun." The email read simply "still in the torture chamber".
One could argue this could have been a metaphor, but consider it in light of the fact that Tony Podesta collects art by Biljana Djurdjevic, which references or depicts extreme physical and sexual abuse of children. He also collects photos of naked teenagers, and he has a taste for art portraying cannibalism and murder, such as his headless Arch of Hysteria statue which seems to reproduce one of Jeffrey Dahmer's decapitated victims. John Podesta also likes artwork portraying cannibalism, such as this piece is in his office.
Also, consider the above in light of numerous references to Satanism and the Occult surrounding Comet Pizza and Ping Pong.
Exhibit C: Alefantis' Connections to the Podestas and Clintons
James Alefantis himself was deemed one of the 50 most powerful people of Washington D.CPNG by GQ magazine.
He was the romantic partnerof David BrockPNG. David Brock is the Chief of Media Matters, a major instrument of the Democratic Party. Brock is also the founder of Correct the Record, a Super PAC that supported the Clinton campaign.
James Alefantis is seen with Tony Podesta here andhere. An email from Alefantis to Tony Podesta, which Tony Podesta forwarded to John Podesta had an attached file which was an image of Hillary’s Logo with a pizza slice in it, above a Comet logoPNG. Alefantis also made desserts for a Clinton campaign event (Notice another photo with Alefantis and Tony Podesta together, and that Alefantis visited the White House on at least five occasions.) Clinton personally thanked Alefantis for cooking for one of her fundraisers.
Comet also received donations of over $20k from American Bridge 21st Century PAC, a primary funder of which is billionaire Clinton-backer George Soros. Donations can be seen here, here, and here.
All this, yet Alefantis claims he has NEVER MET Hillary Clinton. Was he ordered to distance himself from Clinton after this scandal went viral?
Exhibit D: Additional Evidence Implicating the Clintons Specifically
NOTE: All previously cited evidence implicates the Clintons, as John Podesta has been their right-hand man, and as James Alefantis is closely associated with the Clinton Campaign and major Democratic Party leaders.
Bill Clinton is known to have flown multiple times on the "Lolita Express" of disgraced billionaire pedophile Jeffery Epstein to visit Epstein's private "pedophile island," Little St. James. Hillary Clinton also joined him on occasion. Bill Clinton even ditched the Secret Service to make these trips Interestingly, Jeffrey Epstein claimed to be a co-founder of the Clinton Foundation.
A woman named Laura Silsby was caught trafficking children in Haiti, and Hillary Clinton was sent emails regarding her updates. Laura Silsby was got off the hook by a man who was later convicted of sex trafficking. Here is another source.
Frank Giustra owner of the Radcliffe Foundation is on the board of directors for the Clinton Foundation, and is a major Clinton Foundation donor. The logo of Elpida HomeJPG, a refugee center founded by the Radcliffe Foundation, happens to be almost identical to the pedophile boylover symbol.
Now we must reveal a spark, before Podesta's strange emails, that fueled this investigation.
A purported FBI leaker posted claims on 4chan's "/pol/," an anonymous poltical forum. Admittedly, the forum he chose is not exactly reputable. However, this fits with his claim that he wanted to surround himself with noise in order to prevent his FBI superiors from detecting him, and it fits because he knew many in that anti-Clinton audience would take him seriously and investigate, employing what the forum's users call "weaponized autism." The alleged leaker's central claim was that the NYPD and FBI had discovered immensely scandalous information about Hillary Clinton through Anthony Weiner's laptop, but the FBI is not yet acting on the information for reasons we will not discuss here. For our purposes, the relevant allegation is this: The purported leaker alleged that the Clinton Foundation is a front for human trafficking, including child sex trafficking. He told us, "Dig deep and you will find it. It's sickening." [This is clearly relevant even to those who believe #Pizzagate is a deliberate partisan red herring or "psy-op."] Well, we've been digging, and we seem to be finding it.
Summaries of the leaker's claims can be found here: Part 1; Part 2; Part 3.
Exhibit E: Media Coverup Efforts
The same establishment elites who try to control politics also control the mainstream media (this includes Fox News). They do not want corruption of this magnitude to be exposed. As soon as word of Pizzagate went viral, the mainstream media began a coverup campaign. They began denouncing the allegations as "false," "hoax," and "fake news," without directly addressing the evidence.
Prima facie, the media have no basis for labeling an ongoing investigation, which is entirely rooted in real evidence, as "fake news." In fact, Pizzagate is not an allegation of a specific, individual crime (e.g. the abuse of a specific child on a specific day and time). Rather, it is an investigation into the possibility of certain individuals being involved in certain kinds of criminal activity. Therefore, labeling Pizzagate "false/hoax/fake" is patently absurd and dishonest, especially considering the media's refusal to address the evidence directly.
Reddit CEO Steve Huffman banned the Pizzagate research community from Reddit on bogus grounds, accusing us of engaging in a "witch hunt," even though we only used publicly-available information, and never called for vigilantism or harrassment of any kind. While we understand Reddit may have had legitimate concerns of legal action, there is plenty of reason and evidence to believe the decision was politically motivated.
Bot accounts denying Pizzagate have been discovered on Twitter. Twitter has also been suspending users who discuss Pizzagate, and Facebook has plans to censor what it deems "fake news."
Exhibit F: Further Supporting Evidence and Historical Precedents
There was a 1994 Discovery Channel DocumentaryYouTube that covered pedophilia rampant in our government, but it was banned and never aired.
Washington Post reported that sex slavery is a big problem in D.C.
A leaked government email in which pizza is obviously a code word: "Who all is in the Austin office today who is going to want pizza? We only have one slice and we need to know how thinly to slice it." [Worth at least a WTF or two?]
The largest pedophile ring ever discovered was exposed by the FBI coincidentally after Anthony Weiner's laptop was taken.
Another pedophile ring exposed in Norway.
The Belgium pedophile/sex scandal. and the older Savile pedophilia scandal in the UK..
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This investigation was sparked by strange emails leaked from John Podesta's email account, some of which make bizarre references to food.
These references make sense when we discover they involve known pedophile codewordsPNG like cheese pizza.
The suspected use of "pizza" as a codeword led us to investigate a pizza restaurant mentioned in one of Podesta's emails, namely Comet Pizza and Ping Pong, owned by an associate of the Podestas.
We have found considerable evidence that Comet is a front for child sex trafficking.
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