What is #Pizzagate?

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What is #Pizzagate?

Right-Wing Hysteria/Hillary-Smear-Campaign
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24%
Psy-Op to Discredit & Distract from Actual High-Level Pedophilia
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22%
An Orchestrated Exposé to Destabilize Power Structures
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5%
A Glimpse into Pedo-Culture in Washington, DC
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26%
Evidence that Comet Ping Pong is a Money-Laundering Front for Child-Porn/Trafficking Business
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5%
Evidence that Comet Ping Pong is both a Front & a Location for Child Abuse, Ritual or Otherwise
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3%
All of the Above
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7%
Other (Specify)
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8%
 
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Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby tapitsbo » Sun Dec 18, 2016 8:31 pm

Based on past episodes, a warrant and similar legal, procedural actions seem like just the ticket if you want to get murdered, honestly.

The claim in the threads here was that a "lack" of testimony meant none of this should be talked about, when there isn't even a lack of testimony (especially given the overlap with the quickly hushed-up Epstein case)

In every discussion about organized abuse, much like with events such as 9/11, it's tough for the entire discussion to revolve around whether things would "stand up in a court of law" when the courts are so massively compromised and uninterested.

The more meta discussion about the context and the big picture of connections and their cultural meaning seems also important. Because there's a gap between what's officially, institutionally legitimate and what's legitimate in the broader culture.

And for other reasons.

But in every forum where this was being discussed the discussion quickly was infiltrated and lost momentum before being quickly shut down on a number of platforms. This itself seems like a "wink and a nod" since it leaves us with more questions that answers.
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Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby brekin » Sun Dec 18, 2016 8:37 pm

tapitsbo » Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:10 pm wrote:Alright, alright, the request again and again has been for testimony. Any testimony is going to be unsubstantiated to begin with.
This is the dynamic guruilla has been referring to.
Worth keeping in mind during "flaps" like pizzagate.
Obviously tons of claims have been made about "untouchable" figures around the world, certainly tons about the permanent establishment in the anglosphere.
They can't all be true, but we know from the bigger picture that's been assembled that many unsavoury activities are going on among these people and their associates.
Of course a lot of people who investigate past a certain point are killed or framed.
Just think of the Elvis impersonator who was framed as attempting to assassinate the president after he tried investigating organ trafficking at the hospital he worked at.
Immediate derisive dismissal of related material, as with Pizzagate, is paradigmatic of the state of mind we collectively have in relation to these topics at present - in my opinion.
A lot of you are trying to fit these phenomena into a formula that isn't really getting us anywhere, is the way I see it.


Why would any testimony be unsubstantiated to begin with?
Surely someone credible coming forward would have some details that either would further substantiate or not what has been claimed.
Unsavory activities are going on everywhere, three blocks over a real Satanic cult could be doing what has been implied here, but that doesn't mean that is happening in this case. If this was a real example of elite shenanigans then I doubt it would have ever really come to light, because many, many powerbrokers could then be implicated. But it could be. Maybe a power struggle, who knows.

To me, though, it seems, you are asking people to believe that "there is something going on here even though we can't prove it", which is basically saying to take it on faith. And the "paradigmatic state of mind we collectively have in relation to these topics at present" is to believe that such things are going on. In fact, I'd be surprised if many didn't do so on this board. But just because that is the case, or especially because that is the case, we shouldn't by default believe it is in this specific instance just because it could without out some compelling evidence. I haven't seen anything definitive, I may have missed something, but those who get butthurt because people aren't convinced should maybe look at their formulas for believing instead of dissing others formulas for not believing.

This is a conspiracy board. Everyone here wants to believe conspiracy theories. If people aren't buying what you are selling it's not the market, it's the product. We wants the goods. We just don't want the cheap, designer imitation shit.
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Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby Grizzly » Sun Dec 18, 2016 8:41 pm

Anyone else here seen this?

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1497611
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Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby tapitsbo » Sun Dec 18, 2016 8:42 pm

I'm not asking you to believe anything in particular brekin.

With pizzagate I've seen lots that definitely warranted curiosity and a desire to dig further - exactly what's been derailed rather spectacularly, especially by actors like the chan and reddit site admins who permit all sorts of highly questionable content.

That's not the same as "seeing something definitive" in the way you mean.

But instead of an attempt to understand what we have seen, it seems (and not only to me) as though some of you are essentially saying "NOTHING TO SEE HERE NOTHING TO SEE HERE" as much as is possible. It's a familiar dynamic from other discussions but one that seems to have acquired a new urgency with Pizzagate.

I wonder why you guys are joking about reprisals for just talking about this stuff, though. I don't deny there's dark humour here but still
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Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby Grizzly » Sun Dec 18, 2016 8:42 pm



Fully Sourced Executive Summary of Pizzagate Evidence??
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Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby Grizzly » Sun Dec 18, 2016 8:44 pm



Fully Sourced Executive Summary of Pizzagate Evidence??
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Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby tapitsbo » Sun Dec 18, 2016 8:46 pm

Yeah, the wordpress we've been looking at since weeks ago has a lot of curious material that's not front and centre in that voat post.
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Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby Project Willow » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:30 pm

Burnt Hill » 18 Dec 2016 16:27 wrote:Yes but testimony with circumstantial evidence might get you a warrant.


Yep. The day when someone pm's me and says,
"We've got a fund going to hire an investigation team" or
"We have a fund going to help survivors cover medical care and therapy" or
"I've begun lobbying the dean of my school to require coursework on dissociation and trauma studies in the graduate psych program"
is the day I believe this is more than fun and games for a lot of people on the internet.

As for the survivor testimony referred to over the last couple of pages, that was probably one of my posts. IIRC, no one responded to it except Op Ed. That's been another constant feature of Pizzagate, on the major forums where it is discussed, every single time I've posted links to credible sources, real cases, peer review, and even when I leave hints about known perps, the material is ignored. The topic is being covered in woo and disinfo as always, only now, the actual "evidence" is not evidence at all, but a formal collection of innuendo and suspicion.

I am sure that some of what is driving it is that we haven't had our own Savile level reveal in the US, but this is surely the most reckless and stupid way of going about it. It is causing harm to victims and innocent bystanders.
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Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby guruilla » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:49 pm

liminalOyster » Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:39 pm wrote:I genuinely don’t follow how trying to discuss would be equated with derision, much less bullying.

I don't want to make sweeping statements that group many different post-ers together under a common slur, but a) the problem with mimesis/social contagion is that this can actually happen, if there are enough voices to dominate the space, others will end up matching that energy, and on both sides; b) when so many of the counter-arguments are themselves loose, broad, and dismissive, and not referring to specific augments or points brought up, then I'm left either with the option of going back & finding individual points and reiterating them, possibly endlessly, or resorting to similar sweeping statements. For the record, I haven't found anything derisive or even especially dismissive about your posts. I have nothing against questioning. What I object to is the attempt to prevent it.

liminalOyster » Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:39 pm wrote:I’d just like to hear how you and others with your view respond to the "Fully Sourced Executive Summary of Pizzagate Evidence" over on Voat. I've asked twice.

I will look at it and see if it sparks anything. If it's the same one I looked at a while ago that was a sticky there for a while, I was only mildly impressed and there wasn't anything that hasn't been brought up at this board, otherwise I'd have shared it already.

liminalOyster » Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:39 pm wrote:That page seems the closest extant thing to a comprehensive dossier. I have never before heard of a multi-perp pedo ring allegation that did not begin with victims, witnesses or investigations into suspected perps and so barring evidence, allegations, reasons for a strong felt sense, I don’t really get how or why anyone believes this particular thing, except as a sort of proof-of-concept for investigating episodes for which there is more damning evidence.

Again, what is "this particular thing"? In the poll above, the second most selected option is "A Glimpse into Pedo-Culture in Washington, DC." Someone elsewhere said "the world" would be a better descriptor. So how particular is that? What I am wholly convinced of is that the circumstantial evidence associated with #Pizzagate shows a collective awareness of and complicity with organized abuse of children among those responsible for this "messaging." The complicity and approval reaches the extent of making jokes (and so-called "art") about it with what looks like a sense of godlike impunity and snickering insider knowledge that only the initiated-hip know how good this shit really is. The apparent fact this sick, slicker hipster-insider culture overlaps with the hip slick art scene & the hip, slick entertainment scene and the world of at least some post-ers here has to be considered relevant to the level of fear & denial around the subject, IMO.

FourthBase » Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:59 pm wrote:If you missed anything, how about you scour the 90 page WH?I? thread from start to finish, just like everyone else has to do. You are not special, you do not deserve an endless reiteration of the basics handed on a platter to you.

:fawked:

Project Willow » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:30 pm wrote:As for the survivor testimony referred to over the last couple of pages, that was probably one of my posts. IIRC, no one responded to it except Op Ed. That's been another constant feature of Pizzagate, on the major forums where it is discussed, every single time I've posted links to credible sources, real cases, peer review, and even when I leave hints about known perps, the material is ignored.

I do not mean this to be a dig, but maybe it has something to do with this:

Project Willow » Tue Dec 06, 2016 1:47 am wrote: I only raise my voice anymore to vex people, to be a prodding annoyance while I still have breath in my body.
It is a lot easier to fool people than show them how they have been fooled.
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Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby tapitsbo » Sun Dec 18, 2016 9:52 pm

There are your posts PW and other posts I've read on this board and elsewhere.

The claim that there are "no survivors" talking about powerful people in DC doesn't hold up, obviously.

The idea that transparently, openly criminal and corrupt individuals like those under scrutiny in Pizzagate aren't intimately tied into larger networks doesn't hold up. The idea that they are "victims" of a "witch hunt" doesn't add up.

With Savile institutions were pressured into some sort of reveal/response after a vast meta-discussion had taken place, and the results of the "reveal" there are questionable. I certainly see it as having been used for more blackmail.

Witnesses who were going to expand the scope of the Savile investigations were of course murdered as with so many other investigations.

There is a metapolitical dimension to this topic that has allowed us to even speak about it in the first place. This will be true regardless of what any of us post at RI. This dimension has its own life beyond the actions and statements of official channels.

Hillary Clinton and James Alefantis are certainly taking part in whatever the Pizzagate "flap" amounts to by giving press conferences.

The denial/"fake news" psy-op/coverup seems to me just as just as much a part of Pizzagate as the suspicion and accusations.

By severely restricting social media and other communications technology, these discussions will be confined to approved institutional channels, I suppose.

Obviously all major institutions are implicated in this stuff, so what purposes will be ultimately served by their responses is up to their leadership, I guess.

Most people following this seem to be attempting to understand the reality of why these people are in power and who they are, and what they've been involved in. Attempting to figure out the truth, which is a complex picture that is never fully available to us. The assault on the truth as the recent "fake news" framing has taken hold is so severe that our responses do feel serious. Collectively how much ability do we have left to assert or discern what is real, and how are we engaged with that?

I already said I'd stop engaging with this thread for now. Time to try again. I can't remember any RI-related happening involving as intense and slippery cognitive dissonance as Pizzagate, and it's not fun but rather, disturbing.
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Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby Project Willow » Sun Dec 18, 2016 10:12 pm

guruilla » 18 Dec 2016 17:49 wrote:I do not mean this to be a dig, but maybe it has something to do with this:

Project Willow » Tue Dec 06, 2016 1:47 am wrote: I only raise my voice anymore to vex people, to be a prodding annoyance while I still have breath in my body.


Here's the full quote:
It's so funny, you know how I survived the labs? I told myself that one day I'd be free and I'd tell people and they'd care and act just like they do with other injustices. LOL! In social terms, I am functionally dead. I only raise my voice anymore to vex people, to be a prodding annoyance while I still have breath in my body.


That was an obvious expression of utter despair and hopelessness.

What hell is wrong with you?
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Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby guruilla » Sun Dec 18, 2016 11:20 pm

Here it is in full, without links, which can be found at the Voat post here: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1497611:

I'll bold the leads that I think are solid, were fairly followed, and/or merit further investigation. Disclaimer: I am not able to retain every single piece of evidence in memory so I am not claiming that all the bolded parts are proven to be accurate. I am trusting in the relative rigor of this particular Voat post not to have any factual errors included, whatever errors in interpretation there might be. It's up to those who want to refute this evidence to debunk any parts they suspect might be false. I have already seen enough verified leads to consider this subject worth exploring & discussing further, so for me, much of this is just going over old ground with those who somehow got lost in the tunnels.

Fully Sourced Executive Summary of Pizzagate Evidence (v/pizzagate)
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Note: If you want to copy and paste this to save locally, click "source" at the bottom and copy that, so the embedded links will be included. Also, be aware that this is a work in progress, and there is much evidence still to be added.

We do not advocate vigilantism, and suspects are considered innocent until proven guilty.

Disinformation Warning: Beware "black propaganda", a tactic used to disrupt and discredit our investigation. Black propaganda involves statements or actions which are made to appear to come from one side of a conflict, but actually come from the other side, like political ventriloquism. Disinformants, or "shills," anonymously promote intentionally fake evidence and claims, which can then be used to paint our central thesis as false. People familiar with debate can think of it as a "straw man." This is not to say that legitimate researchers do not make mistakes, but to caution all readers that disinformants are actively attempting to disrupt this forum's efforts. However, all evidence included in this summary is directly verifiable through embedded weblinks.

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY AND EXPLANATION OF PIZZAGATE

Introduction

This investigation was sparked by strange emails leaked from John Podesta's email account, some of which make bizarre references to food. These references make sense when we discover they involve known pedophile codewordsPNG like cheese pizza.
The suspected use of "pizza" as a codeword led us to investigate a pizza restaurant mentioned in one of Podesta's emails, namely Comet Pizza and Ping Pong, owned by an associate of the Podestas. We have found considerable evidence that Comet is a front for child sex trafficking.

Exhibit A: Evidence Pertaining to Comet Pizza and Ping Pong
Comet owner James AlefantisJPG had a statue of Antinous as his Instagram profile picture. Antinous was the boy lover of a Roman Emperor, and is considered a symbol of pederasty. On his "jimmycomet" Instagram account, Alefantis posted a picture of a baby, calling her sexually promiscuousPNG. He also posted another baby picture and made a clear pedophile reference. The brother of Jeffrey B. Smith ("werkinonmahnightcheese"), who commented on several of the suspect Instagram photos, referred to a friend as "my favorite pedo"JPG.

Alefantis posted a photo of a child taped to a ping pong tablePNG, and a photo of a walk-in cooler, to which he commented "#murder" and to which Jeffrey B. Smith commented "#killroom." Alefantis also posted a picture of Tony Podesta’s sculpture modeled after a Dahmer victim and one of "spirit-cooking" queen herself Marina AbramovicPNG. In their washroom, Comet had a painting of a man playing ping pong, to which graffiti had been added to show him ejaculating on the table and wearing a Satanic upside-down crossPNG. [An example of misrepresentation/interpretation: the man in the mural is holding a milk bottle as an obvious stand-in for ejaculating penis.] Comet had murals of people with heads cut off, and the artist who painted the murals also painted adults decapitating children.

Listed first on Comet's website under "friends of comet" is the band Heavy Breathing, which performs at Comet. Heavy Breathing leader "Majestic Ape" wears a ski mask and sunglasses, and uses a voice modulator, hiding his or her identity. Majestic Ape joked about pedophile Jared Fogle and said "we all have our preferences, hee hee hee". YouTube, bringing laughter from the audience. In another video, Majestic Ape talks about killing a babyYouTube. Majestic Ape also referenced pedophilia in a caption on a music videoPNG. Heavy Breathing's website features art involving both children and sex.

An employee of Comet posted many images portraying pizza in a sexual way., further fueling our suspicion they are using "pizza" as it is commonly used by pedophiles: a symbol and codeword for sex with minors. Another exampleJPG.

Please examine these symbols designated by the FBI as pedophile symbols. Besta Pizza, which is three doors downPNG from Comet, had a logo that is a near-exact match of the boylover symbol. Another nearby business, Terasol, had a girl-lover symbolPNG on their website. No direct connection to Besta or Terasol has yet been uncovered, but the logos seem quite a coincidence. With that in mind, take a look at Comet's logo. It also resembles a pedophile symbol.

Exhibit B: Evidence Pertaining to John and Tony Podesta
John Podesta is the former Chief of Staff to President Bill Clinton, and was the Chair of Hillary Clinton's presidental campaign. Tony Podesta runs The Podesta Group, a major lobbying firm. The Podestas are associates of James Alefantis, as detailed in Exhibit C. They are also good friends with known and admitted pedophile, former Republican congressman Dennis Hastert. John Podesta received en email suggesting that Hastert shoud vanish to an undisclosed Japanese island after the news of Hastert's pedophilia broke.

Now, let's discuss the specific emails that led to our investigation of Comet.

John Podesta received an email from Tam Luzzatto saying that children of ages 11, 9, and 7 will be "in the pool for further entertainment" and stating that the children "will definitely be in that pool".

In another email, Podesta was told that he left behind a black-and-white handkerchief "with a map that seems pizza-related". A handkerchief with a "pizza-related" map? What the...? It begins to make sense when we discover that handkerchiefs are sometimes used as code for sexual preferences,, and victims of pedophilia express that it’s collected as a souvenir after being placed under the victimJPG. Black and white symbolize bdsm/domination and pedophilia, respectively. Furthermore, as discussed previously, "pizza" is a common codeword for child sex abuse. The meaning of "map" here is unclear.

In another suspiciously cryptic email, a friend complained that Podesta had changed "strategies that have long been in place" and remarked that Podesta sent him "cheese" instead of "pasta," asking if Podesta thought he would do better "playing dominoes on cheese than on pasta". Why would Podesta regularly send this person pasta, why would there need to be a strategy long in place for doing so, and who plays dominoes on cheese or pasta? "Cheese" is a known pedophile codeword for little girls, whereas "pasta" is a known codeword for little boys. "Dominoes" seems likely to be code for domination/bdsm, especially given other evidence pertaining to the Podestas, as detailed below.

Tony Podesta sent John Podesta an email titled "Last night was fun." The email read simply "still in the torture chamber".

One could argue this could have been a metaphor, but consider it in light of the fact that Tony Podesta collects art by Biljana Djurdjevic, which references or depicts extreme physical and sexual abuse of children. He also collects photos of naked teenagers, and he has a taste for art portraying cannibalism and murder, such as his headless Arch of Hysteria statue which seems to reproduce one of Jeffrey Dahmer's decapitated victims. John Podesta also likes artwork portraying cannibalism, such as this piece is in his office.

Also, consider the above in light of numerous references to Satanism and the Occult surrounding Comet Pizza and Ping Pong.

Exhibit C: Alefantis' Connections to the Podestas and Clintons
James Alefantis himself was deemed one of the 50 most powerful people of Washington D.CPNG by GQ magazine.
He was the romantic partnerof David BrockPNG. David Brock is the Chief of Media Matters, a major instrument of the Democratic Party. Brock is also the founder of Correct the Record, a Super PAC that supported the Clinton campaign.


James Alefantis is seen with Tony Podesta here andhere. An email from Alefantis to Tony Podesta, which Tony Podesta forwarded to John Podesta had an attached file which was an image of Hillary’s Logo with a pizza slice in it, above a Comet logoPNG. Alefantis also made desserts for a Clinton campaign event (Notice another photo with Alefantis and Tony Podesta together, and that Alefantis visited the White House on at least five occasions.) Clinton personally thanked Alefantis for cooking for one of her fundraisers.

Comet also received donations of over $20k from American Bridge 21st Century PAC, a primary funder of which is billionaire Clinton-backer George Soros. Donations can be seen here, here, and here.

All this, yet Alefantis claims he has NEVER MET Hillary Clinton. Was he ordered to distance himself from Clinton after this scandal went viral?

Exhibit D: Additional Evidence Implicating the Clintons Specifically
NOTE: All previously cited evidence implicates the Clintons, as John Podesta has been their right-hand man, and as James Alefantis is closely associated with the Clinton Campaign and major Democratic Party leaders.

Bill Clinton is known to have flown multiple times on the "Lolita Express" of disgraced billionaire pedophile Jeffery Epstein to visit Epstein's private "pedophile island," Little St. James. Hillary Clinton also joined him on occasion. Bill Clinton even ditched the Secret Service to make these trips Interestingly, Jeffrey Epstein claimed to be a co-founder of the Clinton Foundation.

A woman named Laura Silsby was caught trafficking children in Haiti, and Hillary Clinton was sent emails regarding her updates. Laura Silsby was got off the hook by a man who was later convicted of sex trafficking. Here is another source.

Frank Giustra owner of the Radcliffe Foundation is on the board of directors for the Clinton Foundation, and is a major Clinton Foundation donor. The logo of Elpida HomeJPG, a refugee center founded by the Radcliffe Foundation, happens to be almost identical to the pedophile boylover symbol.

Now we must reveal a spark, before Podesta's strange emails, that fueled this investigation.

A purported FBI leaker posted claims on 4chan's "/pol/," an anonymous poltical forum. Admittedly, the forum he chose is not exactly reputable. However, this fits with his claim that he wanted to surround himself with noise in order to prevent his FBI superiors from detecting him, and it fits because he knew many in that anti-Clinton audience would take him seriously and investigate, employing what the forum's users call "weaponized autism." The alleged leaker's central claim was that the NYPD and FBI had discovered immensely scandalous information about Hillary Clinton through Anthony Weiner's laptop, but the FBI is not yet acting on the information for reasons we will not discuss here. For our purposes, the relevant allegation is this: The purported leaker alleged that the Clinton Foundation is a front for human trafficking, including child sex trafficking. He told us, "Dig deep and you will find it. It's sickening." [This is clearly relevant even to those who believe #Pizzagate is a deliberate partisan red herring or "psy-op."] Well, we've been digging, and we seem to be finding it.

Summaries of the leaker's claims can be found here: Part 1; Part 2; Part 3.

Exhibit E: Media Coverup Efforts
The same establishment elites who try to control politics also control the mainstream media (this includes Fox News). They do not want corruption of this magnitude to be exposed. As soon as word of Pizzagate went viral, the mainstream media began a coverup campaign. They began denouncing the allegations as "false," "hoax," and "fake news," without directly addressing the evidence.

Prima facie, the media have no basis for labeling an ongoing investigation, which is entirely rooted in real evidence, as "fake news." In fact, Pizzagate is not an allegation of a specific, individual crime (e.g. the abuse of a specific child on a specific day and time). Rather, it is an investigation into the possibility of certain individuals being involved in certain kinds of criminal activity. Therefore, labeling Pizzagate "false/hoax/fake" is patently absurd and dishonest, especially considering the media's refusal to address the evidence directly.

Reddit CEO Steve Huffman banned the Pizzagate research community from Reddit on bogus grounds, accusing us of engaging in a "witch hunt," even though we only used publicly-available information, and never called for vigilantism or harrassment of any kind. While we understand Reddit may have had legitimate concerns of legal action, there is plenty of reason and evidence to believe the decision was politically motivated.

Bot accounts denying Pizzagate have been discovered on Twitter. Twitter has also been suspending users who discuss Pizzagate, and Facebook has plans to censor what it deems "fake news."

Exhibit F: Further Supporting Evidence and Historical Precedents
There was a 1994 Discovery Channel DocumentaryYouTube that covered pedophilia rampant in our government, but it was banned and never aired.

Washington Post reported that sex slavery is a big problem in D.C.

A leaked government email in which pizza is obviously a code word: "Who all is in the Austin office today who is going to want pizza? We only have one slice and we need to know how thinly to slice it." [Worth at least a WTF or two?]

The largest pedophile ring ever discovered was exposed by the FBI coincidentally after Anthony Weiner's laptop was taken.

Another pedophile ring exposed in Norway.

The Belgium pedophile/sex scandal. and the older Savile pedophilia scandal in the UK..

This actually seems like quite a short list & there are a lot more equally ominous associations that have been noted at this forum (e.g. the tunnels). Surprisingly, I ended up bolding most of the points. Disclaimer 2: I am not stating that these data-points prove anything, individually or even collectively. I am stating that they are highly suggestive and that any case for #Pizzagate as a "scam," "demonstrably false," a hoax, smear campaign, or "psyop" requires at least as much evidence to support it as what's listed here, and/or a thorough refutation of all of these data points on a one-by-one basis, not with some general, subjective statement about how it's all "circumstantial," or whatever. And not with some argument about the supposed "damage" being done by the #Pizzagate #PsyOp, an argument which I think is entirely separate from (i.e., has no bearing on) the veracity or lack thereof of the evidence being examined. Obviously, if the evidence can be shown to be false or irrelevant, then this would indicate that #Pizzagate was doing more harm than good. I'd suggest those trying to argue the latter, concentrate their energy on achieving the former, and discrediting the evidence and the arguments being made from it.
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Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby Grizzly » Sun Dec 18, 2016 11:25 pm

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Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby barracuda » Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:29 am

For starters...

This investigation was sparked by strange emails leaked from John Podesta's email account, some of which make bizarre references to food.


This is wrong. The furor about a Hillary Clinton circle of child trafficking and pedophilia (er... pedophila?) actually began on Twitter.

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Goldberg is a classic white supremacist Trump supporter, what we would nowadays refer to as alt-right. This tweet was retweeted 6500 times.

Goldberg's tweet was used as the source of an October 31st article on your newswire.com which was shared 28,000 times on FB. This is when the chans came into play.

These references make sense when we discover they involve known pedophile codewordsPNG like cheese pizza.


"Cheese pizza" as a pedo code is used (as far as I can tell) exclusively by the chans to avoid banning when requesting images of underage girls. Still haven't seen a good source for this slang that exists outside of there.

The suspected use of "pizza" as a codeword led us to investigate a pizza restaurant mentioned in one of Podesta's emails, namely Comet Pizza and Ping Pong, owned by an associate of the Podestas.


The pizzagate proponents here pretty much universally accept that the pedo-code is among the weakest plot device in the entire narrative. So right here, we can see that the source of the theory begins with the weakest evidence. Not a good sign.

We have found considerable evidence that Comet is a front for child sex trafficking.


Who, exactly, is "we"?
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Re: What is #Pizzagate?

Postby FourthBase » Mon Dec 19, 2016 12:33 am

Wrong, barracuda. It all started with FBI Anon on 4chan.
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