What is #Pizzagate?

[Joe Hillshoist]

Um, guru has been saying for many threads that basically every portion of civilization that makes him uncomfortable is part of a millennia long program by pedo Satanism to shape the world. This is his default assumption which underlies his approach to all of these happenings.

Nah.

Are you sure?

[82_28]

Um, guru has been saying for many threads that basically every portion of civilization that makes him uncomfortable is part of a millennia long program by pedo Satanism to shape the world. This is his default assumption which underlies his approach to all of these happenings.

Nah.

Are you sure?

Hey, I have a brilliant idea! Let's not single others out for the umpteenth time. Peace Pony, has spoken.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Um, guru has been saying for many threads that basically every portion of civilization that makes him uncomfortable is part of a millennia long program by pedo Satanism to shape the world. This is his default assumption which underlies his approach to all of these happenings.

Nah.

Are you sure?

Hey, I have a brilliant idea! Let's not single others out for the umpteenth time. Peace Pony, has spoken.

How about he stops abusing the joint and we'll stop hassling him about it.

[Joe Hillshoist]

I wasn't aware that the Boy Scouts is OK with indiscriminate drug use and indiscriminate sex. Guess I missed out on a good time back in the day.

If that's your definition of depraved I'm not I share it.

[82_28]

I see zero evidence that guru is "abusing the joint". It could be said that he is using the joint as far as interaction. So the fuck what? My problem is with singling people out. For any motherfucking reason. It don't come down to me, but just leave him the fuck alone.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Yes, perversity is everywhere.

The problem is, the norms of heterosexual culture (if there is such a thing) -- the very thing drag culture mocks -- acts as a check on that perversity. Maybe not a very effective one, but it tries... On the other hand, there is a segment of gay male culture that prides itself on its sexually transgressive nature. And if you suggest that, oh, maybe, perhaps such transgressions might be self-destructive (at best), then you are immediately vilified as homophobic.

Are you sure about this? I dunno if it even tries.

Don't believe me? Try suggesting to your average gay man that, from a public health long-term-dynamical-system perspective, PrEP (or rather the culture of its indiscriminate use) might actually be harmful in the long run, that it incentivizes the kind of sexually irresponsible behavior that led to the HIV epidemic in the first place. See what kind of feedback you get from him.

In the same way that the pill let feminism destroy western culture? Is there really a difference? Isn't PrEP a responsible form of sexual activity like using condoms or raincoats? (I honestly dunno but I don't see much difference.)

(And no, I'm not blaming individuals for contracting HIV, I'm blaming the apologists/advocates for a culture that can't seem to understand how evolutionary dynamics and sexual promiscuity interact to create one superbug after another, regardless of whatever opinion Larry Kramer or Pat Robertson has.) It's actually harmful to real gay individuals to not criticize the dysfunctions of gay male culture.

It really seems like your objection is to casual sexual activity. But there is more yeah?

I'm not sure about gay male culture being a so-called Trojan Horse for pedophilia. Certainly, yes, pederasty, as both my partner and I have experienced as victims (although the harm done to either of us was fairly minimal when compared with other experiences each of us has faced in our lives). That part is indistinguishable from heterosexuality, it's just that it seems to be OK for a straight man to lust after a 17-year-old girl, but it's not OK for a gay man to lust after a 17-year-old boy.

People can be sexually mature at 16 years old. Biological attraction isn't evil. Obviously being 30 and wanting a relationship with an 18 (or 16) year old presents the sort of problems that a 45 year old having a relationship with a 30 or 32 year old doesn't present in terms of relative maturity and development of a worldview etc etc If anything thats probably less of an issue with gay men or all non straight people ... I can see relationships between much older gay men and younger men could have the potential to be less exploitative, more "educational" (specifically culturally as well as sexually or whatever else) and have a genuine aspect of mentoring.

But my experience is that NAMBLA was always kept at a far distance if it was even tolerated at all. Nevertheless, there is a certain kind of spiritual darkness that gay culture does seem to want to protect (mostly because it's too spineless to assert any kind of healthy boundary), and if you get sucked into it who knows where you go. I do have one former acquaintance who, long after I cut ties with him, did get arrested for possession of CP. I was not very surprised when I heard about it, not because I knew that he had any specific interest in CP, but rather it was a logical destination along the trajectory I saw him following before I decided I didn't want to spend any more time with him.

Dunno if this is unique to gay culture either. As AD mentioned rape culture is a pretty universal thing.

Where I live (New South Wales in Australia) CP includes porn with women wearing schoolgirl uniforms even if they are over 18, satirical Simpsons cartoons and a whole lot of stuff that isn't actually photographic records of child abuse. (Including what consenting 14 year old kids send each other on their mobiles.) Well it did last i heard anyway, that was nearly a decade ago. Dunno if that applies to your former acquaintance or not.

I'm sure your assessment of some aspects of gay culture being unhealthy is true and accurate, but I don't think thats what is being suggested wrt gay cultural and Trojans to hide a global pedo cult.

[Joe Hillshoist]

I see zero evidence that guru is "abusing the joint". It could be said that he is using the joint as far as interaction. So the fuck what? My problem is with singling people out. For any motherfucking reason. It don't come down to me, but just leave him the fuck alone.

No fricken way. He has called me a self incriminating criminal. Because I called him on this comment here:

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=40243&start=180#p624597

Read it. He is clearly violating some guidelines Jeff put in place to stop this sort of bullshit. Also - he is singling me out back, he just hasn't got the guts to use my "name".

You're a good person and you always stick up for people you feel are being victimised and I love and respect you for that but I'm not laying off his bullshit.

[Joe Hillshoist]

I'm not in favor of strengthening censorship powers by the State but I have no problem with alternative media such as pirate radio stations- and Rigorous Intuition for that matter- deciding to ban hate speech, and then doing so.

And I suppose you'll be the arbiter of "hate speech"?

Personally, I think that any time any RI poster objects to anything at all written by "slomo", it should be considered "hate speech" and that person should be summarily banned. After all, slomo is a biracial gay guy, so it logically follows that any speech against slomo is racist and anti-gay.

That is ridiculous and you know it.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Something was "off" on this thread even before the accusations of "hate speech" started getting thrown around, a tactic BTW that is so shamelessly transparent as to be self-incriminating to anyone with the eyes to see it for what it actually is.

Care to be more specific with that accusation?

Care to add some signil to that outraged noise?

Care to get your shit together and make a comment that isn't bigoted bullshit based in nothing more than your own ignorance and prejudice?

Not holding my breath. BTW This joint is called RIGOROUS intuition.

(I don't think I've ever done that before.)

For the record, all culture is a Trojan Horse. But if people don't do their homework, they will always rely on ideology to do their thinking for them. Why? Because they just keep on inviting the Trojans in. It's painful to watch. I'm just glad their are a lot more eyes on the board than there are pieces with mouths.

Well do us all a favour - go find a monastary in SE Asia somewhere and brick yourself into a cell.

[kool maudit]

AD comes out with a personal opinion for once and it's for fucking speech codes. Because of course it is.

[American Dream]

It's for the agreements we are supposed to maintain here at Rigorous Intuition: against racist/fascist organizing, promoting hatred of oppressed groups, etc. (I don't suppose anyone here has a problem with any of that, or at least admit so). Also for "No Nazi" policies in pirate radio and other alternative media, etc.

[kool maudit]

It's for the agreements we are supposed to maintain here at Rigorous Intuition: against racist/fascist organizing, promoting hatred of oppressed groups, etc. (I don't suppose anyone here has a problem with any of that, or at least admit so). Also for "No Nazi" policies in pirate radio and other alternative media, etc.

You started and continue maintain a thread devoted to the "abolishing" of a race of human beings. The race I belong to, by all normal English linguistic conventions.

(I am well aware, as I have previously described in detail, of the many semantic backdoors and historical escape routes offered such claims and their makers by Critical Race Theory and similar. I have also, on previous occasions, let you know that I believe them to be horseshit, the academic equivalent of the gratuitous profanities so beloved of the weedy male activist class, the workboots and the hand-rolleds and the bandannas and so on.)

Were we to formally institute a "hate speech" policy here at RI, as you suggest, I would accuse you of its violation instantly, tirelessly, and at length based on this thread alone. Were some authority to determine that the semantic backdoors described above absolved you of said charge, I would of course cease contributing permanently.

I probably should anyway, but it seems unfair.

[American Dream]

Your blind spots are showing. We already do have an anti-hate speech policy here at R.I.

[kool maudit]

Then you're right -- they are. I don't check for those things when joining boards, because I am not generally someone who falls afoul of policies, or is even curious about them.

I just did a little search and have decided, for today at least, that locating policies and parsing them for violations is a low and dreary thing to spend a Wednesday afternoon on. I really don't know whether your thread falls outside the boundaries or not. Rather than look, I am going to go visit another website. This is how people like me become small presences and people like you, large ones.

Funny ol' world.

[Searcher08]

Your blind spots are showing. We already do have an anti-hate speech policy here at R.I.

In-group virtue signalling is *such* a part of SJW culture these days, isnt it?