What is #Pizzagate?

[norton ash]

Y'know, when people use the term 'SJW' it takes me back to 'hippie' 'pinko' or 'bleeding heart'... so I just presume the writer is a right-winger looking for a fight.

What the fuck is 'in-group virtue signaling?' There's an anti-hate speech policy here, always has been. And 'Abolish the White Race' is simply a Swiftian proposal about imperialism and centuries of Euro-dominance, if we want to talk about the 'in-group.'

[Luther Blissett]

If the het patriarchy did not exist, "gay culture" wouldn't have a reason to be sexually subversive. It is a legitimate praxis.

Regardless, the gayborhood here is just like any other neighborhood but with more lgbt residents, restaurants and businesses owned by lgbt people, and gay bars. But the bars would be indistinguishable from any other het bar and the neighborhood is not some den of iniquity. I am aware that people from this region outside of the city see it this way, that stepping foot in it will result in them being belted by a leather daddy, but then they come into the city on weekends and go to the restaurants without realizing they're in it.

Exposure. Empathy. People fear what they don't understand.

[Luther Blissett]

…And 'Abolish the White Race' is simply a Swiftian proposal about imperialism and centuries of Euro-dominance, if we want to talk about the 'in-group.'

It boggles the mind that people still misunderstand that after it's been broken down to the 3rd-grade reading level for the 82nd time.

[divideandconquer]

This thread is about "pizzagate", not guruilla, yet every other post dissects him as if he's a lab rat.

1. Guruilla claims there is more to pizzagate than what the media acknowledges
2. Guruilla is not always politically correct
Therefore, pizzagate is nothing more than what the media acknowledges it is

1. D&C claims there is more to pizzagate than what the media acknowledges
2. D&C is a asshole moron who doesn't even know what a strip mall is.
Therefore, pizzagate is nothing more than what the media acknowledges it is

Rigorous intuition at it's best.

[Searcher08]

Y'know, when people use the term 'SJW' it takes me back to 'hippie' 'pinko' or 'bleeding heart'... so I just presume the writer is a right-winger looking for a fight.

What the fuck is 'in-group virtue signaling?' There's an anti-hate speech policy here, always has been. And 'Abolish the White Race' is simply a Swiftian proposal about imperialism and centuries of Euro-dominance, if we want to talk about the 'in-group.'

This is an actual socialist



This is a (Qatari-funded) social justice warrior doing virtue signalling.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue_signalling

[Searcher08]

If the het patriarchy did not exist, "gay culture" wouldn't have a reason to be sexually subversive. It is a legitimate praxis.

Surely "gay culture" is not defined in opposition to well, anything. It is it's own thing.
It doesnt need the Flying Spaghetti Monster of Patriarchy.

Regardless, the gayborhood here is just like any other neighborhood but with more lgbt residents, restaurants and businesses owned by lgbt people, and gay bars. But the bars would be indistinguishable from any other het bar and the neighborhood is not some den of iniquity. I am aware that people from this region outside of the city see it this way, that stepping foot in it will result in them being belted by a leather daddy, but then they come into the city on weekends and go to the restaurants without realizing they're in it.

Exposure. Empathy. People fear what they don't understand.

Yes, yes and yes.

[Luther Blissett]

If the het patriarchy did not exist, "gay culture" wouldn't have a reason to be sexually subversive. It is a legitimate praxis.

Surely "gay culture" is not defined in opposition to well, anything. It is it's own thing.
It doesnt need the Flying Spaghetti Monster of Patriarchy.

Regardless, the gayborhood here is just like any other neighborhood but with more lgbt residents, restaurants and businesses owned by lgbt people, and gay bars. But the bars would be indistinguishable from any other het bar and the neighborhood is not some den of iniquity. I am aware that people from this region outside of the city see it this way, that stepping foot in it will result in them being belted by a leather daddy, but then they come into the city on weekends and go to the restaurants without realizing they're in it.

Exposure. Empathy. People fear what they don't understand.

Yes, yes and yes.

Some peoples' fears define gay culture through this opposition, which would cease to exist from both angles if the het patriarchy ceased to exist.

[lunarmoth]

According to this NYPD detective, investigation of pedophilia, child trafficking and 'human compromise' goes back to 1966

[BrandonD]

And yet some of us here know for a fact that the gay subculture overlaps in countless ways with sadomasochism, pedophilia, and every other squalid vice (unsanctioned paraphilia) we can imagine. It just does, and if we want to pretend it doesn’t because of our chosen value set, then we’ve just joined the ranks of useful idiots enabling the evils of the elite.

That is not entirely accurate IMO, and the degree that the statement above is true is 100% equivalent to the degree that homosexuality has been demonized in our society.

Agreed.

The taboo creates the subculture and the shame creates the distortion. My point was a purely social one, that the gay subculture overlaps with these others ones (fact), and precisely because, as you pointed out, homosexuality was forced underground (or at least congruent with that happening). I wasn't addressing the roots of homosexuality or the inherent nature of it, as paraphillia or not. That's something I've done elsewhere & I wouldn't even attempt it at RI.

This was also why I was clear about the need to separate homosexuality as a sexual orientation/practice and as a culture, or subculture. Look, I am just as disturbed by heterosexual subcultures, and superculture, as you already know, because you've followed my output. But the focus here was on gay culture in regard to CPP, Alefantis, Brock, Amanda Kleinman, et al. People seriously want to dismiss their behaviors because it's "just part of the gay/drag cultural norms." Well OK, if it is, then let's look more diligently at those norms.

One way some gay people deal with this wounding is to own this "evil" label that has been forced upon them. To wear it like a badge of honor. This certainly has the potential to lead down dark paths, but it originates from their treatment by society, and not by homosexuality itself.

Sure, tho your assumption is that homosexuality itself, at least as the modern social identity construct, does not originate from society or from society's treatment of individuals. I don't think that's clear.

A good corollary would be the "goth" subculture, which has the same social demonization and the exact same overlap with all those sexual deviances that you mentioned (this subculture is very prominent in my city as well), and yet the goth subculture is just as much composed of heterosexuals as homosexuals. The common denominator here is the shunning and demonization by "decent" society, from my perspective that is the element that contributes to harmful sexual deviances and other such things.

And to what extent has Goth culture organically emerged as a reaction against (negative identification with) society, as you call it? And to what extent has Goth culture been knowingly seeded, shaped, engineered as a "shoe horn" for soft and eventually hard trends like "Satanism," with all the accompanying values and practices? And is there a difference? (Since negative identity is a traumatic reaction to social oppression.) At least some Goths end up taking their "soft rebellion" all the way to occultism, and from there to blood drinking, animal sacrifices, and all-out pathological behaviors, Transgression is cool, so the greatest transgressions = the greatest cool. This doesn't mean all Goths are dangerous, even potentially. But it does mean that Goth culture, like drug culture, is an inherently "slippery slope." It has been formed with hooks and snares, just as occultism has.

From my experience, gays are on the whole exactly as moral and decent as straight people and it seems inaccurate to portray them in the above manner.

It would be, if I had. But I didn't. You extrapolated. Hopefully the above clarifies things, and thanks for posting. As I wrote to Elvis, a friendly challenge makes up for a hundred blind condemnations.

Thanks for the comments, this post and others about "subculture vs individuals within the subculture" has helped clarify the issue for me.

It seems very difficult for people to discuss nuance these days.

[guruilla]

This thread is about "pizzagate", not guruilla, yet every other post dissects him as if he's a lab rat.

1. Guruilla claims there is more to pizzagate than what the media acknowledges
2. Guruilla is not always politically correct
Therefore, pizzagate is nothing more than what the media acknowledges it is

1. D&C claims there is more to pizzagate than what the media acknowledges
2. D&C is a asshole moron who doesn't even know what a strip mall is.
Therefore, pizzagate is nothing more than what the media acknowledges it is

Rigorous intuition at it's best.

LMFAO

Thanks D & C. You just made my day. [Edit: kool maudit too.]

[Plutonia]

I'm pretty sure you've nailed the crux of the whole conspiracy with this image.

Well, I have to admit the candle is suspiciously placed.

Also, the napkin on the far left is folded in a way that it looks like underpants - which is what I mistook it for at first glance.

That makes three details within this image that could be interpreted as sexual signally: the candle/penis; oysters/vulva; and the napkin/underpants.

[Luther Blissett]

Just asking the quick question if people know that Buck is a camping-gear store and not a child?

[Elvis]

Just asking the quick question if people know that Buck is a camping-gear store and not a child?

I thought Buck's Fishing & Camping was a restaurant?

[guruilla]

Buck's is a restaurant.

Now that the air's been cleared by my brother-beyond-the-pale, I guess we get to take a fun-break and look at the actual topic at hand! (Radical, isn't it). Funny how, after the general consensus that the CPP basement had been debunked, when evidence comes up that maybe it hasn't been so thoroughly debunked, after all, said evidence gets ignored; in favor of a discussion about pushing new enforcement of hate speech at RI. Hmmm.

I am starting to love this thread. Arguments by the defense are turning into evidence for the prosecution (so to speak, please don't take the legal metaphor too literally).

Regarding poor old Rudy and/or his cyber doppelganger(s), either way he's an interesting choice of PG "whistleblower," considering his history, and surely too interesting to simply dismiss this latest article as "disinformation" & leave it at that (especially since if it is just disinfo, then it's potentially evidence for the defense).

About Rudy, he was deeply enmeshed in the West Point Day Care Sexual Abuse Case with Ritual Abuse allegations:

The case began in 1984, when allegations surfaced of sexual and physical abuse of children at the West Point Child Development Center.
The incidents unfolded against a backdrop of satanic acts, animal sacrifices and cult-like behavior among the abusers, whose activities extended beyond the U.S. Military Academy borders to Orange County and a military base in San Francisco, parents charged.
The specter of satanism would later spur U.S. Military Academy officials to change the West Point child-care center’s building number from 666 to 673.
Despite 950 interviews by 60 FBI agents assigned to the investigation, an investigation led by former U.S. Attorney Rudolph Giuliani produced no federal grand jury indictments. The investigation did find “significant indications that children may have been abused” at the center.
Until now, no official reports or investigations have verified the sexual abuse.

...

Recalled Grote: “The tragedy is the abusers could have been caught . . . with a little imagination and a lot less chauvinistic narcissism on the part of West Point and the initial FBI investigator.”
Prosecutor Giuliani did not return calls last week. In 1987, Giuliani said his detailed investigation showed only one or two children were abused. The federal investigation cleared the center staff members accused by the children.
https://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/arti ... use-cases/

So yeah, someone who would know about the reality of this stuff; but not someone I'd expect to have an attack of conscience about it.

[American Dream]

A man goes to a psychiatrist. To start things off, the psychiatrist suggests they start with a Rorschach Test. He holds up the first picture and asks the man what he sees.

"A man and a woman making love in a park," the man replies.

The psychiatrist holds up the second picture and asks the man what he sees.

"A man and a woman making love in a boat."

He holds up the third picture.

"A man and a woman making love at the beach."

This goes on for the rest of the set of pictures; the man says he sees a man and a woman making love in every one of the pictures. At the end of the test, the psychiatrist looks over his notes and says, "It looks like you have a preoccupation with sex."

And the man replies, "Well, you're the one with the dirty pictures."

Hornets Who Are Lovers, Not Fighters