What is #Pizzagate?

[8bitagent]

8bitagent wrote:
Im one of the only people on here who was glad Hillary lost, but find the whole Pizzagate shit Mcmartin preschool hoax-y

Not true. Many on this site have expressed relief and glee over Hillary's loss.

I wasn't originally a Hillary supporter but when I saw the direction things were going in, I decided to vote for her over Stein because I preferred her over Donald Trump.

I have friends who supported Bernie (who I also originally supported) who were so pissed about what the DNC did to him that they refused to vote for Hillary. My difference from them is that from the beginning I was too jaded to believe that Bernie would be allowed to win the nomination. My later support for Hillary was purely practical.

I saw my friend's (who are female and non-white) obsessive hatred and ranting against Hillary as a manifestation of internalized misogyny but now that I've had time to talk with them more at length I've discovered that they had received emails about Pizzagate, which squeezed lighter fluid on the fire of their anger (and internalized misogyny) and perhaps cemented their decision to not vote or write in Bernie.

What a mess!

Also, please don't compare PG to McMartin. McMartin had numerous child victims who testified in a long drawn out court case and the tunnels with ritual paraphernalia were unearthed and photographed.

I merely talk in terms of pop culture perception. Next to scary clowns roaming America and to many, a scary clown becoming president; "Pizzagate" became a massive pop culture phenomenon online and in the media.
Pizzagate/Comet Pizza tunnels seems like the 2016 version of early 80s Mcmartin School. Tho the average person wouldnt even know what the heck were talking about. Ive definitely highlighted my last decade
on RI serious non conspiracy news links to this sort of sick crap. The Elm House UK thing from a couple years ago I feel is the closest we've come to definitive mainstream evidence this sort of sick psycho shit
truly exists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elm_Guest ... se_scandal

[liminalOyster]

Voat is afire with mob hysteria today after the maker of that stupid Pegasus "expose" posted a new video explaining why he removed the first and narrating a series of extended text messages and phone conversations between him and Alefantis. Not going to link to it but it currently occupies the majority of space on the "hot" tab of their page.

Assuming it's authentic, Alefantis sounds 1) pissed and 2) like he is in close contact with the police and/or FBI. Which, assuming his innocence, is fairly understandable given the fabulist harrasment campaign to which he has been subject. Of course, the Voat folks have taken his threats to seek legal action against (and/or cause personal harm to - not verified) the video maker as further damning evidence that they're hot on the trail of the revelation of the big lie.

I'm scared of these people.

You are scared of the wrong people.

I'm scared of the kind of thinking I'm witnessing among the Voat set. It's already affected people I know and it's profoundly insular. I've seen an incredible degree of deflection and rationalization applied by true believers to those of us who are critical/skeptical and/or pissed off. Doesn't detract from my larger fear of pathological anomie among the rich and powerful.

Don't you think Alefantis can take care of himself given he's the 50th most influential or powerful man in Washington? (Sorry, you don't get included on that list by flippin' pizzas.)

That GQ article feels like something of a puff piece to be read in the waiting room. It looks like it's meant to be a lark and little more. Never mind the obvious - that it doesn't include any representatives of Wall St or the private arm of the MIC - I read it as consciously including José Andrés, Alefantis, the "Capital Weather Gang", a trio of party planners, and the owners of CPP-proximal bookstore Politics and Prose in order to be less droll.

Why are so many here concerned with what happens to the wealthy and powerful hideous elites ?

Because, as we've seen, this bullshit speculation has extended to all sorts of broke-ass wage slave artists and musicians. This kind of thinking - guilty even when proven likely innocent, based on imagined decoder rings - could be applied to anyone.

Yes, according to NPR the Internet is full of Nazis...something must be done! Every other story is about the great need to censor the nazis on the internet. It's just a matter of time before they banish these dangerous voat "nazis" forever. They are truly scary people! How dare they research the pedophocracy! Isn't it convenient that Dave McGowan died before pizzagate

I don't think these people are "nazis" in the least. I think they're useful idiots.

[Iamwhomiam]

Those two have lost their credibility. Yes, another soundtrack would nullify their "proof," Elvis.

Yes, Jack, it is indeed infuriating. Moreso those that believe it and share their insights here. Just as infuriating to me is that it's coming from those here still promoting Sandy Hook being faked, an outrageous lie.

In this case, pg, they do not understand the harm their foolish speculation brings to true victims of pedophiles, or that raising false claims does to future investigations.

Heaven Swan wrote,
"What's scary is how successful this op was in influencing people..."

Visuals always make an impact, just as the cartoon Jack posted has. Suppose the man wanting to fly the plane was named "Epstein."

Include a few shady, but well known DC insiders, to give it some traction. Add some "secret" code words and a phony caption and you mold its meaning to fit your fraudulent purpose. Basements are always scary and pits are the pits.

Shades of Gilles de Rais, we have Pizzagate.

Barracuda wrote:

"I disagree. Pizzagate looks like an op created by Bannon (early anti-semitic leanings) and implemented by Kushner (bot approvals), then carried by Milo (anti-Hillary gamergaters) and Cernovich (troll army). People fell for it (useful idiots)".

This is accurate, imo. Thanks for repeating it Heaven Swan.

Yes, according to NPR the Internet is full of Nazis...something must be done! Every other story is about the great need to censor the nazis on the internet. It's just a matter of time before they banish these dangerous voat "nazis" forever. They are truly scary people! How dare they research the pedophocracy! Isn't it convenient that Dave McGowan died before pizzagate

I'm in the uncomfortable position of defending NPR, but what D&C has written here is untrue; a manufactured falsehood. I listen to two NPR stations during the day and the only time I heard the word "Nazi" was when someone calling in to a local talk show mentioned it. They have talked about sites that generate false news, though only insofar as "hate speech" is concerned, if I correctly recall it.

Here's some criticism from an NPR supporter, D&C: You've stated something as truth, that NPR has claimed the internet is full of Nazis. Please link to your source so others can verify for themselves the truthfulness of your statement. That's your first sentence.

Regarding your second sentence: Please provide us a link to two such incidents of "every other story is about the great need to censor the nazis on the internet."

And this bit, "It's just a matter of time before they banish these dangerous voat "nazis" forever. They are truly scary people! How dare they research the pedophocracy!

Now you're editorializing your own falsehood, but for what purpose?

If you want to be taken seriously, try seriously researching a subject before buying into such repulsive BS as pg or crisis actors at Sandy Hook.

[Luther Blissett]

Any survivors, victims, or childless parents yet? Still made up?

[Heaven Swan]

LiminalOyster wrote:
"I don't think these people are "nazis" in the least. I think they're useful idiots."

Many Nazis, even high level ones were useful idiots. Pizzagate defenders can google "The Banality of Evil." By Hannah Arendt for more information.

[JackRiddler]

Any survivors, victims, or childless parents yet? Still made up?

You know what the sick thing is in the particular subculture that serves as the soil and fertilizer for pizzagate? If genuine victims appeared (of any scandal), the next stage would be to say, how come they're even being covered by the illuminati globalist media? If it's exposed, it must be for a reason, and therefore suspect. So, eventually... crisis actors! The dynamic will act to resist any form of resolution or determination of an accurate truth. Just like the corporate media news that it mimics, there will always be the next day's cycle to fill. But I guess even more essential to it is to just reverse reality every time. So the real dead children at Sandy Hook do not exist, but the imagined dead children at the pizza shop exist. Unless they existed, in which case they'd be declared fakes.

(Almost like someone's running a psyop - and note it's often the same suspects converging on "pizzagate," "crisis actors," no-planes, flat earth, etc. Has a systemic feel to it, though it could just usually be the product of a specific mentality. Some of these folks really do feel like useful idiots, but we debate them.)

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[Iamwhomiam]

^^^^ The boy who cried wolf syndrome.

Any false cry brings doubt to the next true report

edited to add:

(Almost like someone's running a psyop - and note it's often the same suspects converging on "pizzagate," "crisis actors," no-planes, flat earth, etc. Has a systemic feel to it, though it could just usually be the product of a specific mentality.

Yeah it does. Have a systemic feel. If it stops up the place, I call for a purge!

Also: Note the systemic appearance and Willow's early withdrawal. The only smart one among us!

[JackRiddler]

^^^^ The boy who cried wolf syndrome.

Any false cry brings doubt to the next true report

Yes, exactly why the refusal to allow any determination of consensus facts is not some harmless la-la questioning, it's got a systematic effect. Every fake scandal kills some some real one. Pizzagate pretty much murdered the Epstein story.

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[Iamwhomiam]

Note my edit above, Jack.

[seemslikeadream]

Why Trump’s inner circle is wearing this pizza-shaped pin
By Daniel Halper January 6, 2017 | 2:07am | Updated
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Sean Spicer wearing the pinReuters
It’s not a slice of pizza — it’s a Secret Service pin.

Donald Trump’s inner circle can be identified by a triangular pin that separates them from other visitors at Trump Tower.

Seen on the lapels of close aides, the gold-rimmed crimson triangle identifies them to the Secret Service and allows them to enter and exit the security perimeter as they please.

Those with pins include incoming White House press secretary Sean Spicer — seen wearing one in the Trump Tower lobby Thursday — and the senior adviser to the president for policy, Stephen Miller.

The pin had been the subject of rampant speculation online, with even “Star Trek” actor George Takei questioning its purpose.

“This symbol’s meaning is tough to pin down,” he tweeted.
http://nypost.com/2017/01/06/why-trumps ... haped-pin/

[elfismiles]

FRAK! Listened to this and just went to download the file and. ... whole site gone! Not available at archive.org

Any body got a copy?

ETA: YouTubed for the moment... dodgy channel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1u2JjXM7es
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXc2YV5MSUU

Archived here ... hope to listen soon.

http://inothernewsradio.com/wp-content/ ... 170102.mp3

http://inothernewsradio.com/podcast/in- ... ry-2-2017/

[Heaven Swan]

http://wbai.org/archive.php

You can find the interview with Nick Bryant in the WBAI radio archives.
The show is called 'in other news' on Jan 2, 2017

[Searcher08]

^^^^ The boy who cried wolf syndrome.

Any false cry brings doubt to the next true report

Pizzagate pretty much murdered the Epstein story.

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No.

A simple Google News search reveals the nonsense of that statement.
The Jeffrey Epstein story is alive and well.

[JackRiddler]

A simple google news search is what you did not do before posting that nonsense. But it's not like you check anything, you already know what little you know in advance.

current google news search results

[yathrib]

Gururilla, I just listened to you on Always Record. I find your willful ignorance on the alt right offputting. A simple google search reveals the origin of the term, and no, it was not coined by a leftist. It is label they use about themselves. If it has become pejorative, it is because many people find what it represents, um, deplorable. I would have found what you said more credible if you had not revealed yourself to be either culpably naive or actively disingenuous.