Mass shooting in Las Vegas, 2/10/2017

[IanEye]

Any record of anyone pointing out any muzzle flashes from anywhere?

I wouldn't call it definitive, but this gentleman seemed to think the shooter was located high above the crowd:

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[Iamwhomiam]

So when the media reports that Paddock made his money playing "video poker" for hours on end ... that's somehow different than modern video enabled slot machines? I mean, when I first heard them mention the phrase video poker I immediately thought of online gaming, as in playing on your own laptop in the privacy of your home wearing only underwear. But then, if that's the case, why go to Vegas in the first place?



In the solitary world of video poker, Stephen Paddock knew how to win ...
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-veg ... story.html
Oct 9, 2017 - In the lonely world of video poker that Las Vegas gunman Stephen ... Walton said he saw Paddock make some mistakes. ... A player like him does not really lose money — they play within their means to an actual plan.".

Stephen Paddock and the World of Video Poker | The New Yorker
https://www.newyorker.com/news/.../step ... ideo-poker
Oct 5, 2017 - In 2016, Stephen Paddock moved to Mesquite, Nevada, a quiet retirement .... To make money playing video poker, it takes a lot of luck.

Stephen Paddock's $100-a-Hand Video Poker Sessions Revealed
https://www.cardschat.com › News Home › Scandals
Oct 10, 2017 - Las Vegas mass shooter Stephen Paddock was an avid video poker ... afford due to a succesful real estate portfolio that had made him millions.

Stephen Paddock Chased Gambling's Payouts and Perks - The New ...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/04/us/s ... bling.html
Oct 4, 2017 - LAS VEGAS — The video poker machines that Stephen Paddock liked ... The night before the shooting, Mr. Paddock made two complaints to the hotel .... essentially free money casinos give loyal customers to gamble with.

Stephen Paddock, Las Vegas Suspect, Was a Gambler Who Drew ...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/us/s ... ooter.html
Oct 2, 2017 - “He was a gambler, that was his job,” his brother, Eric Paddock, told reporters Monday at his home in Orlando. “He was a wealthy guy, playing video poker, who went cruising all ... “He helped me become affluent, he made me wealthy.” ... quantities of money and receive discounted hotel rooms, meals and ...

Paddock's game of choice, video poker, allowed him to blend in – Las ...
https://www.reviewjournal.com › Business › Casinos & Gaming
Oct 5, 2017 - Stephen Paddock's casino game of choice — video poker — was a perfect means to win money in a way that he ... “I would not have blinked for a second if I saw somebody making $100 bets at a video poker machine,” said a ...

Vegas shooter's gambling draws new attention to video poker - ABC ...
abcnews.go.com/.../vegas-shooters-gambling-draws-attention-video-poker-50296241
Oct 5, 2017 - Vegas shooter's gambling draws new attention to video poker. ... Paddock's brother has described the gunman as a high-stakes video poker ... and the payout, and they typically need access to a lot of money because they may have ... required currency reports of transactions he made greater than $10,000.

Las Vegas Shooting Made Ann Coulter A Video Poker Expert
https://themysticgambler.com/ann-coulte ... er-expert/
Oct 11, 2017 - Las Vegas Shooting Made Ann Coulter Investigate Video Poker Expert ... If Paddock wasn't making money on video poker — and he wasn't ...

Ann Coulter: Does anyone believe that the Vegas shooter made his ...
https://hotair.com/.../ann-coulter-anyo ... -gamblin...
7 days ago - Aren't you? If Paddock wasn't making money on video poker — and he wasn't — why would he be cycling millions of dollars through a casino, ...

Who is Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock - The Washington Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../las- ... -to-coun...
Oct 2, 2017 - “He's just a guy who played video poker and took cruises and ate ... It's a job where you make money,” said Eric Paddock, adding that his ...

Thank you for politely correcting my faulty memory, smiles. I seem to have confused video poker (as played online, which was my understanding at first) with a physical card game, with playing the game on "slot" machines that would be better described as "video poker machines."

A close friend's son, maybe 22 at most, became a bit of a celebrity and became sponsored to play in games broadcast on cable from one of the casinos. It lasted about a year and a half and he returned home and soon thereafter most unexpectedly committed suicide by shooting himself in his head. Makes one wonder.

I know someone earlier mentioned the odds and how incredible it would be for him to win more than he lost. I was under the impression the odds against winning were much, far above 75%, like around 85% and greater, so I was never under the impression his winnings were derived from playing video poker (slot) machines. Makes money laundering a credible claim to me. Being rich, though, he might have felt he would never burn through his entire wealth, just a healthy bit of it.

Where's the hooker? Or is that just a cover for his trigger? Nuts? Paddock a lone nut? Or just a guy who sought fame in a most horrendous way? With no one to answer to?

Anyway, I have no idea what the truth of the matter is regarding Paddock. I've already proposed the possibility of him being dead before any automatic gunfire was heard. I discount the reports of secondary shooter(s), though. Hearing the crowd behind, all panicked, running for their lives, the noise of gunshots, their echoes and those of ricocheting bullets I believe has confused those reporting more than one shooter.

Btw, thanks for your profoundly important commentary, Mac - really enriches the thread.

[MacCruiskeen]

Btw, thanks for your profoundly important commentary, Mac - really enriches the thread.

You're welcome. And of course you just completely ignored every point I made, because that's precisely your style (and substance): Make untenable assertions, then "deal with" responses, including actual refutations, by just pretending they haven't taken place. You are a credit to science and all reasoned discourse, sir.

Happy to help, though. And if you need assistance with any other problem, such as distinguishing your arse from your elbow, please don't hesitate to ask.

[Iamwhomiam]

An Australian named Brian Hodge claims he was staying next door to Stephen Paddock, in Room 32-134. But this is the room with a broken window and wires entering it from the maid's trolley in the corridor. (Can't embed these four images; click on the right arrow to view them.)

???

Paddock's Girlfriend Used Two Social Security Numbers and Was Married to Two Men at the Same Time

Article I can't get to copy at link:

http://www.newsweek.com/marilou-danley- ... ber-677033

Also is there something weird about the room Paddock allegedly shot from?

Photos show two windows that are broken with unbroken windows in between.

Are they separate windows?

Could there have been two shooters?

The last photo from the LA Times is gone and the one above it from the BBC is incorrect and does not accurately describe the suite. The window broken closer to the elevator was in an adjoining room; each, the room and the suite having one broken window.

[Iamwhomiam]

Btw, thanks for your profoundly important commentary, Mac - really enriches the thread.

You're welcome. And of course you just completely ignored every point I made, because that's precisely your style (and substance): Make untenable assertions, then "deal with" responses, including actual refutations, by just pretending they haven't taken place. You are a credit to science and all reasoned discourse, sir.

Happy to help, though. And if you need assistance with any other problem, such as distinguishing your arse from your elbow, please don't hesitate to ask.

You see, Mac, that's just it - you have no point at all. You really took my compliment seriously?

But I do thank you for this honor, which I humbly accept,

You are a credit to science and all reasoned discourse, sir.

Most grateful, I am, and so surprised it comes from such an unreasonable man.

[MacCruiskeen]

You really took my compliment seriously?

No. Go away, Daniel.

[MacCruiskeen]

The Daily Mail, quoting an unnamed "TV insider":

EXCLUSIVE: Mandalay Bay owner insisted security guard Jesus Campos appear ONLY on Ellen and not be grilled by TV hardhitters fearing his answers to timeline questions could result in massive lawsuits from victims of the massacre

- Jesus Campos, the Mandalay Bay hotel security guard who first alerted police to the Vegas gunman, appeared on Ellen for his first and only interview Wednesday

- MGM, which owns Mandalay Bay, thought Campos might not keep his story straight under the pressure of the TV lights and hard questioning

- Campos booked interviews with all the major networks last week before cancelling at the last minute and disappearing

- Union boss David Hickey who was helping set up the deal, told DailyMail.com ‘It certainly wasn’t my choice that he should appear on that circus'

- Ellen did not press him on the official timeline of the shooting, which has changed three times since the massacre

- MGM has disputed the official timeline, which insinuated they may have waited six minutes to call cops

- Police later changed the timeline again, saying that Campos immediately called in the shooting as soon as he was injured

By Martin Gould In Las Vegas, Nevada and Ashley Collman For Dailymail.com

PUBLISHED: 14:17 BST, 19 October 2017 | UPDATED: 16:05 BST, 19 October 2017

Mandalay Bay shooting hero Jesus Campos was pressured into giving his only interview to Ellen DeGeneres because the giant company that owns the Las Vegas casino feared he would spill the beans about the shooting timeline if he was grilled by real journalists, DailyMail.com has learned exclusively.

MGM is worried that families of the 58 people murdered as well as many of the 546 injured in the Mandalay Bay massacre will launch lawsuits potentially worth billions of dollars against the company, sources tell DailyMail.com.

And they thought Campos might not keep his story straight under the pressure of the TV lights and tough questioning.

That is why Campos, 25, appeared on a daytime chat show hosted by a fast-talking, dancing comedienne, rather than take questions from TV hardhitters such as Fox News’ Sean Hannity, NBC News or ABC News.

‘MGM was behind the decision to call off all the interviews and did a deal with Ellen, knowing she would not play hardball on the timeline as long as she had the exclusive,’ a TV insider told DailyMail.com.

[...]


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z4vzLkzWiH

[Rory]

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She's a totally average, run of the mill TV host

[stickdog99]

I have no idea how anyone can be under the false impression that Paddock's gambling winnings were derived from him playing slot machines. Nowhere was that reported.

What was reported was that he was a high-stakes gambler playing card games with $25K and more for buy-ins and was very successful winning very large amounts in single games.

Also reported was Paddock's many hours, (14 was mentioned), spent continually playing slots, with no mention of any great pay-outs of wins.

That celebrity comedian Ellen has some interest in LV slot machines and in some way is part and parcel to some supposed conspiracy to commit the largest fatality count of any mass shooting before is perverse.

I'm not sure she "owns" the machines or whether she was paid a licensing fee by their manufacturer to have the games feature her image.

He played VIDEO poker, not actual poker. He supposedly made millions playing VIDEO poker for hours on end, which is only possible if he figured out an exploit that would have gotten him banned from the casinos he frequented long ago.

[stillrobertpaulsen]

That is why Campos, 25, appeared on a daytime chat show hosted by a fast-talking, dancing comedienne, rather than take questions from TV hardhitters such as Fox News’ Sean Hannity, NBC News or ABC News.

[IanEye]

She's a totally average, run of the mill TV host

Marc Maron once had Obama on his WTF podcast.
Does this mean Marc Maron is a totally average, run of the mill Podcast host?

Is that how it works? I am not sure how this particular game is played.

[seemslikeadream]

That is why Campos, 25, appeared on a daytime chat show hosted by a fast-talking, dancing comedienne, rather than take questions from TV hardhitters such as Fox News’ Sean Hannity, NBC News or ABC News.

TV hardhitters such as Fox News’ Sean Pizzagate Hannity..????? Mr. I am so far up trumps ass I can taste trump's hair dye Hannity???

[stickdog99]

Sheriff Lombardo said there is no evidence that shows Paddock ever hired a hooker.

[stillrobertpaulsen]

Sheriff Lombardo said there is no evidence that shows Paddock ever hired a hooker.

Or that Paddock would tell said unnamed hooker his political opinions that he never shared with another soul!

[Burnt Hill]

Sorry about the formatting, I italicized and bolded my replies to MacCruiskeen.

Campos actually said without prompting that he did not call in his shooting on his radio to "keep the lines clear". He wanted to keep the lines clear? So hotel security could better respond to a spray of 200 bullets nobody else supposedly knew about at the time?

Ellen, of course, followed this up with a hard hitting giggle.

I just watched that a minute ago.
I thought he reported the shooting, realized after that he was hit, then didn't report that to "keep the lines clear".

Heroically inventive nonsense.

Maybe, but is that what he said or not?

And Ellen, of course hers is a comedy entertainment show,
she doesn't pretend to be news or reporting,

Of course she does!
You yourself have just witnessed her doing
precisely that!

That was not news reporting and Ellen is not an Investigative reporter or Journalist, it was entertainment for the masses.

I wouldn't expect anything else but human interest puffery.

That's all it was,
and you are content
with that.

From the Ellen show? I wouldn't expect anything else!
Does that mean I am content with all the reports in this case? Absolutely not.

Though she did bring out the floor plan and her pointer!
Which actually clarified a couple things for me...

Of course you would say that.

Of course! First time I saw anyone discuss the floor plan,
and where Campos and Schuck were as the events unfolded.

That floor plan omitted the connecting door between rooms 32-134 and 32-135

Well that's interesting. Something to take a harder look at.

Whoever they were the two guys came off as genuine.
:

They would, to you.
Because there has never been an
Official Yarn
you have not been
completely content with
and keen to defend,
even when it is demonstrably
bullshit.

Haha, silly and wrong.
But that's your m.o., attack other posters because you cant provide convincing evidence for your extreme theories.

Not accepting spurious theories and speculation is not the same as accepting the Official Yarn.

Clearing chaff and misconceptions gets us closer to the truth. That's typically what I try to do.


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