Closer to Mars

[Blue]

Rock on 82_28! Excellent rant.

Look, I get it. Earthlings ruined their own nest. They spread like a virus, maim and kill, wallow in putrid violence for relaxation after work.
But that's what they want you to think...it's in our DNA. All humans bad. A literal prison planet (no nod to dumbass AJ).

I don't buy it. A handful of psychos with unlimited resources easily manipulate the hive mind, especially today.

The doomsday scenario, end of the world, end of civilization, humans aren't worthy or to be trusted beyond Earth are all part of the feedback loop.
Gawds if they make one more fuckin movie about that shit.

Individuals are smart, creative and tenacious. I choose to believe the better nature of humanity will prevail.

[Rory]

Yeah. Love the optimism. I assume everyone is not only buying lottery tickets, but winning life changing sums also?

No? Huh, what are the odds.

Oh, look. What's this: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-42980841

Electric car maker Tesla has notched up its biggest ever quarterly loss and said it "learned many lessons" from its crucial Model 3 production plans.

The firm's future hangs on the Model 3 sedan, but it has so far struggled with production bottlenecks.

Tesla reported a loss of $675.4m (£487m) in three months to 31 December, compared with $121.3m a year earlier.

Such easy marks. It was a marketing ploy to pump stock before the truth came out. Smdh

[Rory]

Individuals are smart, creative and tenacious. I choose to believe the better nature of humanity will prevail.

I "choose", there for it is. Blue Descarte, here

No, that's not how it works. Has everyone forgotten about peak oil, and about how we are teetering on the precipice of global industrial contraction? The Long Descent? The Long Emergency, whatever your choice of adjectives, we won't have the energy or economically sustainable high technology to maintain 1st world living conditions for the vast majority of people on the planet. You all need to get real. This aint about Trump either - he's a last gasp spasm of a failing economic model. We don't have what it takes because of hard physical limits.

Ben thinks we are getting there by 2030. I hope that's a joke. And it's this delusion that only binary outcomes are possible - seed the stars, or nuclear holocaust. That's nonsense. There are myriad outcomes in between. I don't think there's going to be nuclear Armageddon but we aren't seeding the stars by rocketships. (If you want to presuppose we move our DNA by astral projection, or other forms of advanced occult transmission then that has more basis in a plausible future for the hunan race outside Earth).

[dada]

Of course there's myriad possibilities. My argument is that if we live long enough as a species, we'll colonize space. Whether it's spaceships or your voodoo teleportation or whatever you called it. Advanced occult transmissions. How about Daoist multilocation. Be here and on a dozen other planets at the same time.

Anyway, at some point this starts to sound funny, arguing about who has the more 'rational' prophecy. So I'll stop. Hopefully the future can take care of itself without me.


"we won't have the energy or economically sustainable high technology to maintain 1st world living conditions for the vast majority of people on the planet."

Oh, we'll be fine. This worry is more like a junkies fear of withdrawal, than an unsolvable problem. The consumers dilemma.

In my opinion.

[seemslikeadream]

Happy b-day today to far-sighted science fiction writer Jules Verne, who correctly predicted that a flight to the moon would take off from Florida. (He did not, however, predict that someday a rich guy would shoot a sports car into space.)
- Craig Pittman




Galactic Public Archives
Published on Jul 23, 2015

How does science fiction become science fact? Often the link between art and science can be hard to pin down. It can be unclear if science fiction is actually influencing science or merely observing it, giving the public sneak peaks into the implications of scientist's work.

But some work of science fiction create direct links to the future. As a young man in Russia, Konstantin Tsiolkovsky read a translation of Jules Verne's 'From the Earth to the Moon." And although Verne's plan to get to the moon wouldn't have worked, the novel had just enough science mixed in with its romance to make the central idea seem plausible. Tsiolkovsky became obsessed with the idea of spaceflight, and his life's work created the foundations of modern rocketry.

One hundred years after Verne wrote his novel, a group of individuals who had been inspired by Verne's fantasy as children launched a voyage to the moon.

[Iamwhomiam]

Good Rant, 82. My opinion agrees with dada's opinion.

About this, 82:
"How many motherfuckers as of now are not still but newly debating the fact that they think Earth is flat?"

Did you see the tweet the Flat Earth Society put out?

"We have members all around the globe."

Someone replied: "Read that back to yourself slowly." or something like that

[82_28]

^^^hahaha!

[seemslikeadream]

[Iamwhomiam]

[Belligerent Savant]

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It's quite simple. If it's possible for humans to go to Mars, we will eventually get there -- as dada previously alluded.

But I have my skepticism about what we truly can do, or have done, out there in space. We either can or can NOT travel to other planets via earth-launched vessel (with humans on board, landing safely).

I know nothing for certain about the true nature of our existence here on this Earth. Neither do any of you, despite what our current iteration of "science" tells us.

Perhaps in the (distant) future we'll discover a means for travel to the far reaches of the universe without any mechanical propulsion at all -- the theory of nonlocality extrapolated and expanded to human form (I believe Rory touched on this earlier); we'll be able to manipulate the fabric of our individual consciousness, stretching ourselves out through time and space, unconstrained by the limitations of a mechanical 'capsule'.

Let's see how the next 15-30 years play out. For those of us still around, we'll likely have many of these questions/doubts answered one way or another. Or none at all.

In the meantime, sure: hop around and get stoked if you prefer -- ain't no harm in that.

[DrEvil]

Yup. We're going to mars fueled by the power of snark and wishful thinking

Or, you know.. rockets.

And obviously Musk announced the Falcon Heavy six years ago so he could launch a Tesla today (instead of the literal lump of metal that would normally be on a test launch), because he just knew that he would be needing to pump Tesla stock today. You have to admire that kind of planning and foresight.

If you want to presuppose we move our DNA by astral projection, or other forms of advanced occult transmission then that has more basis in a plausible future for the hunan race outside Earth

So we're going to Mars fueled by the power of wishful thinking? Make up your mind man.

[Iamwhomiam]

Well, if he did it for advertising, he just earned himself one hell of a write-off!

[SonicG]

I always though one of the major stumbling blocks was actually being able to land a capsule on Mars big enough for humans in a safe manner...Nevertheless, it seems like an insane folly to think that somehow living on Mars would be a better idea than, say, wiping out poverty and starvation here on earth. I know it is a fucking dead horse...that and the one about "Why don't we go back to the moon again?" It really should be....so easy.

[BenDhyan]

Of course Moon colonization plans are in play as well...

Colonization of the Moon

Planned manned lunar missions 2021 - 2036

As of 2016, Russia is planning to begin building a human colony on the moon by 2030. Initially, the moon base will be manned by no more than 4 people, with their number later rising to maximum of 12 people.

Japan also has plans to land a man on the moon by 2030, while the People's Republic of China is currently planning to land a human on the Moon by 2036 (see Chinese Lunar Exploration Program).

The United States currently (2017) has plans to send a manned space mission to orbit (but not to land on) the moon in 2021.[34] While the US Trump administration has called for a return of manned missions to the lunar surface, it has currently (2017) not authorized any funding for any such lunar missions in the next 20 years, and instead the current administration has actually reduced the NASA space exploration budget from earlier levels.

[dada]

China plans to be first to land on the dark side of the moon, later this year, I think. Not a manned mission. They're sending a transmission satellite first, to bounce signal from the dark side back to earth.