Blue » Wed Jun 06, 2018 10:16 pm wrote:
DrEvil, please don't call me or anyone else an anti-vaxxer who calls into question the huge exponential growth in vaccinations (for profit not health) that are mandatory for kids in the US. Almost all of the recent outbreaks of measles in the US occurred within an almost 100% vaccinated population.
How do you explain that? Either the vaccine does not work or the people vaccinated contracted it from the shot.
Sorry, I'll try to use more neutral language in the future (unless the description fits, like with aoc).
As for the outbreaks, the vaccines aren't 100% effective (93% after the first MMR dose and 97% after the second one according to the CDC), it just makes it a lot harder for the disease to get a foothold. The point of vaccinating as many as possible is to make it harder for the disease to spread. If you get the vaccination rate above a certain threshold (around 92%) it stops the spread completely (herd immunity). If it drops below that threshold you start seeing outbreaks.
Blaming unvaccinated people who DID NOT HAVE THE MEASLES is one of those "Big Lies" I would say.
When you bring up the Somali/Minnesota thing you are really feeding into, I hate to say this I like you, Corporate American Lies. How sick is it to say that the children of some singled out parents in the US got the measles because they were African immigrants dumb, worried about autism and didn't know vaccinations are good?
Please don't insinuate I'm a racist because I point out that a community that happened to be of African origin had low vaccination rates. They used to have some of the highest vaccination rates in the state until the anti-vaxxers started spreading their lies. Then vaccination rates plummeted and the outbreak happened.
The kids got the fucking measles, not AIDS!!!
Yes, which has a much higher chance of killing you or giving you deafness, pneumonia or permanent brain damage than the vaccine itself. Personally I prefer kids with no diseases at all.
I'm going to link to Dr. Mercola now, who is a real doctor and always has footnotes/links to scientific studies in his articles. I admit it is a couple years old because I don't have much time right now to find a newer link. Excellent information on the history of measles in the US.
Summary of article:
CDC reports that no one in the US has died of measles in the last 12 years. Meanwhile, 98 measles vaccine related deaths were reported to the US government since 2003.
During that time period, 694 measles vaccine-related disabilities were reported to the Vaccine Adverse Reporting System (VAERS).
Child mortality due to measles is 200 to 400 times greater in malnourished children in less developed countries than those in developed ones; as nutrition improves, complications and deaths radically diminish.https://articles.mercola.com/sites/arti ... ccine.aspx
The VAERS database isn't an accurate source of data. Anyone can report anything for any reason as long as it happened after a vaccine. There should be at least one report in there of a guy who claims he turned into the Hulk after getting his flu shot. It's more of an early warning system; if a lot of people suddenly start reporting similar responses to a vaccine then it's something that should be looked at.
The reason no one has died from measles in the US for ages is exactly because everyone is vaccinated against it. Outbreaks are rare because of the vaccine, and healthcare and nutrition is good enough that anyone infected most likely survives.
This claim: 98 measles vaccine related deaths were reported to the US government since 2003
is also dubious. It's based on data from the VAERS database, which is not an accurate source for data like this, and isn't meant to be.
This is what the VAERS site itself says:
When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been established. Reports of all possible associations between vaccines and adverse events (possible side effects) are filed in VAERS. Therefore, VAERS collects data on any adverse event following vaccination, be it coincidental or truly caused by a vaccine. The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event.
Oh, and the Mercola article isn't written by Mercola, it's an abstract from Suzanne Humphries' book Dissolving Illusions. She's a quack. Here's a decent overview of the kind of misleading stuff she peddles (the fact that she uses Andrew Wakefield as a source should be a huge red flag in itself):https://medium.com/@visualvaccines/why- ... 446d0a7e0f
I would be more inclined to listen to the skeptics if they weren't so consistently spreading lies and misinformation.
On the bright side, at least they're not selling homeopathic mp3 files that "cure" ebola.
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