Rhetoric and the art of Collaborative Discussion

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Re: Rhetoric and the art of Collaborative Discussion

Postby chump » Fri Mar 08, 2019 9:50 am

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Re: Rhetoric and the art of Collaborative Discussion

Postby Elvis » Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:16 am

seemslikeadream wrote:I regret to say Jack has broken the one trump crime family thread AGAIN so I am no longer bound to the agreement

he actually bumped my Manafort thread to ADVERTISE/invite people into his Manafort thread ....having fun Jack?

ok now he says HE never agreed to that arrangement so he is using my thread as an advertising billboard for his trump/russia threads


This is silly. There is nothing wrong with posting pertinent links in threads; we can all do that. Jack's posts were very short and did nothing to bother "your" thread. Considering the mass of archival stuff can occlude discussion, it make sense for some to have a separate thread for discussion. Meanwhile, if someone wants to comment on an item in "Trumpublicons: Foreign Influence/Grifting in '16 US Election" then please accept it gracefully and remember my declaration there:

Elvis » Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:13 am wrote:If people can't post in this thread without being harangued and harrassed for posting different views (or making polite requests), I'm going to lock it.
"It seems to be what we have now is a political system which has essentially become, for the last thirty or forty years, a war on the human imagination."
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Re: Rhetoric and the art of Collaborative Discussion

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:19 am

absolutely

I will from now on post in my Manafort thread

I didn't think the agreement was silly I thought it would help
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: Rhetoric and the art of Collaborative Discussion

Postby Elvis » Fri Mar 08, 2019 11:28 am

Thanks Slad. :basicsmile

Everyone, let's all do our thing, each in the way we know best, without impinging on anyone else's thing. That way I think we'll get the most out of this.
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Re: Rhetoric and the art of Collaborative Discussion

Postby PufPuf93 » Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:44 pm

Has anyone notice that Chump posted a good bye to us all in Lounge thread today?

viewtopic.php?f=34&t=38129&view=unread#unread

Chump has posted much beauty and thoughtful items at RI and I will miss his contribution and effort.
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Re: Rhetoric and the art of Collaborative Discussion

Postby DrEvil » Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:52 pm

He often pushed my outrage button, but he also posted a lot of excellent rabbit hole fodder, and his pictures are awesome.
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Re: Rhetoric and the art of Collaborative Discussion

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:22 am

I am now on my way to my brother in law’s funeral

He was a Vietnam veteran, a great guy.....fantastic husband, brother, father and grandfather. He loved fishing and his beloved Wisconsin wilderness.

Agent Orange and cancer shortened the life of a wonderful human being.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r9YRRMRA0E


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1Z4PAZX9Bs



Dominus vobiscum
Et cum spiritu tuo
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: Rhetoric and the art of Collaborative Discussion

Postby Cordelia » Mon Mar 25, 2019 10:28 am

^^^I'm so sorry for your loss SLAD; I remember you've written about him in posts over the years.

:hug1: :hug1: to you & your family.
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We may not choose the parameters of our destiny. But we give it its content. ~ Dag Hammarskjold 'Waymarks'
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Re: Rhetoric and the art of Collaborative Discussion

Postby stickdog99 » Mon Mar 25, 2019 2:22 pm

Best wishes to you, SLAD.

My extended family has experienced so much death and serious illness so far this year that it has been difficult to process. My sincerest condolences to you and yours. Keep fighting the good fight, and try to remind yourself that the victory is in the struggle.
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Re: Rhetoric and the art of Collaborative Discussion

Postby Jerky » Mon Mar 25, 2019 11:41 pm

Thinking of you at this sad time, SLAD. My condolences.

Your friend,
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Re: Rhetoric and the art of Collaborative Discussion

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:26 am

thank you for the love ....you can be an angel of mercy

@Cordelia
@stickdog99
@Jerky

The one thing you leave behind
Is how did you love, how did you love?
And you will never look at anything the same when you see what I see


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAV6P_jGE_g


How Did You Love

You can have a sound of the thousand voices calling your name
You can have the light of the world blind you, bath you in grace
But I don't see so easily what you hold in your hands
'Cause castles crumble, kingdoms fall and turn into sand
You can be an angel of mercy or give in to hate
You can try to buy it just like it every other careless mistake
How do you justify I'm mystified by the ways of your heart
With a million lies the truth will rise to tear you apart
Woah
No one gets out alive, every day is do or die
The one thing you leave behind
Is how did you love, how did you love?
It's not what you believe those prayers will make you bleed
But while you're on your knees
How did you love, how did you love, how did you love?
Nothing ever feels the quite same when you are what you dreamed
And you will never look at anything the same when you see what I see
How we forget ourselves, lose our way from the cradle to the grave
You can't replicate or duplicate, gotta find your own way
No one gets out alive, every day is do or die
The one thing you leave behind
Is how did you love, how did you love?
It's not what you believe those prayers will make you bleed
But while you're on your knees
How did you love, how did you love, how did you love?
This ain't no cross to bury
We are the judge and jury, we are the judge and jury
No one gets out alive, every day is do or die
The one thing you leave behind
Is how did you love, how did you love?
It's not what you believe those prayers will make you bleed
But while you're on your knees
How did you love, how did you love?
This ain't no cross to bury
We are the judge and jury
This ain't no cross to bury
We are the judge and jury

How did you love, how did you love?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28KduHrvCxM
My father was a carpenter
My mother she died young
I'm the eldest of my brothers
You're the trouble in my blood
Trouble in my blood
I swore that I'd stay humble
Like my father was before
He built the home I live in
Of sand and mud and smoke
Sand and mud and smoke
Yes, we will leave here without a trace
Take a new name and an old shape
I'll be no outlaw, no renegade
Just your faithful god of loss
So meet me by the river
On a boat-shaped piece of earth
We press our bones together
And the spider does its work
With flakes of garlic
And petals from a rose
If it's small enough to carry
You and I can call it home
You and I can call it home
Yes, we will leave here without a trace
Take a new name and an old shape
I'll be no outlaw, no renegade
Just your faithful god of loss



Preserve your memories they're all that's left you.

I have a photograph



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They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: Rhetoric and the art of Collaborative Discussion

Postby Sounder » Tue Apr 16, 2019 3:33 pm

I like all kinds of people, ugly people, pretty people, fat and skinny people, tall and short people, religious, non-religious and anti-religious people, intelligent people and people that are 'gifted' in other ways. I like conservative people, liberal people, rednecks, gay people and people from all parts of the world.

But there is one kind of 'people' that I cannot appreciate. That is the folk burdened by verbal diarrhea. I knew a women once, very hot and 'popular' at a busy workplace. She asked me once why I did not like her, so I said that the constant chatter was irritating to me. She protested so I challenged her to stay silent. She came the next morning and was silent for about two minutes while I watched her head nearly explode. Then the dam burst and 'normality' returned. At least she understood why I did not care to be nearby.

A new workmate with the same affliction provided the reminder that these folk are on the far side of insecurity and think that if they simply never stop in the recounting of their glories, they will magically be glorious people.

This is not a healthy way to dream.
All these things will continue as long as coercion remains a central element of our mentality.
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Re: Rhetoric and the art of Collaborative Discussion

Postby alloneword » Wed Apr 17, 2019 7:28 pm

Sounder » Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:33 pm wrote:But there is one kind of 'people' that I cannot appreciate. That is the folk burdened by verbal diarrhea.


The problem is that they themselves are generally not 'burdened' with it - everyone around them is. :?

I found one fairly effective way to deal with similarly irritating people is to pop in earphones when I see them coming, make eye contact as they approach - enough to make them think you are listening - and maintain it, deadpan.

When they eventually pause for breath, remove the earphones and politely ask if they wanted something. 8)

The world is, unfortunately, full of people who have a pathological need to fill every silence, generally stemming from a deep insecurity. It can be irritating to those around them because their noise can drown a contemplative silence or quieter signal, whereas a silence or quieter signal appears to leave their noise unchallenged. I suspect that while they appear to value quantity over quality in communication to others, what they're actually trying to drown out is their own inner voice.

But really, we don't have to listen to them, just like we don't have to listen to certain radio stations...



If a radio station continues to broadcast when no one is listening, does it matter?

There's an clichéd old poem that comes to mind (not been posted here for a decade - I checked). A good friend once gave me a copy of it, beautifully written out in German Gothic script and tastefully framed... I never had the heart to tell them that I knew it all too well - it was pinned to the wall of the detention room at school, so I'd read it many, many times:

Desiderata

Go placidly amid the noise and haste,
and remember what peace there may be in silence.
As far as possible without surrender
be on good terms with all persons.
Speak your truth quietly and clearly;
and listen to others,
even the dull and the ignorant;
they too have their story.

Avoid loud and aggressive persons,
they are vexatious to the spirit...
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Re: Rhetoric and the art of Collaborative Discussion

Postby Sounder » Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:54 am

alloneword wrote...
The world is, unfortunately, full of people who have a pathological need to fill every silence, generally stemming from a deep insecurity.


To be fair, we all tend toward insecurity and that makes sense given the divisiveness inherently generated by our dominant narrative. Most people are reasonable and sometimes artistic in the covering over of their insecurities. And after all, even the dull and ignorant, they to have their story.

But really, we don't have to listen to them, just like we don't have to listen to certain radio stations...


The trouble is, they are all the wrong radio stations at the moment. For me,..radio free for over ten years now, but we are social beings and I need a signal from somewhere, and while the static can be ignored, it is still there, and indeed perhaps it will provide a positive service in the end.

My way to cope is to shut the computer and go play The Wind that Shakes the Barley on fiddle. It's a very pretty tune. :wink

Russia-gate has stepped up the level of my fiddle playing several notches.
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Re: Rhetoric and the art of Collaborative Discussion

Postby Jerky » Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:19 am

Where did the last few posts come from? What spawned such a strange back and forth, from out of the blue?

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