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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby undead » Sun Apr 26, 2020 2:29 pm

This is kind of unbelievable - such a vast majority with no symptoms... in prisons?

In four U.S. state prisons, nearly 3,300 inmates test positive for coronavirus -- 96% without symptoms

(Reuters) - When the first cases of the new coronavirus surfaced in Ohio’s prisons, the director in charge felt like she was fighting a ghost.

“We weren’t always able to pinpoint where all the cases were coming from,” said Annette Chambers-Smith, director of the Ohio Department of Rehabilitation and Correction. As the virus spread, they began mass testing.

They started with the Marion Correctional Institution, which houses 2,500 prisoners in north central Ohio, many of them older with pre-existing health conditions. After testing 2,300 inmates for the coronavirus, they were shocked. Of the 2,028 who tested positive, close to 95% had no symptoms.

“It was very surprising,” said Chambers-Smith, who oversees the state’s 28 correctional facilities.

As mass coronavirus testing expands in prisons, large numbers of inmates are showing no symptoms. In four state prison systems — Arkansas, North Carolina, Ohio and Virginia — 96% of 3,277 inmates who tested positive for the coronavirus were asymptomatic, according to interviews with officials and records reviewed by Reuters. That’s out of 4,693 tests that included results on symptoms.

The numbers are the latest evidence to suggest that people who are asymptomatic — contagious but not physically sick — may be driving the spread of the virus, not only in state prisons that house 1.3 million inmates across the country, but also in communities across the globe. The figures also reinforce questions over whether testing of just people suspected of being infected is actually capturing the spread of the virus.

“It adds to the understanding that we have a severe undercount of cases in the U.S.,” said Dr. Leana Wen, adjunct associate professor of emergency medicine at George Washington University, said of the Reuters findings. “The case count is likely much, much higher than we currently know because of the lack of testing and surveillance.”

Some people diagnosed as asymptomatic when tested for the coronavirus, however, may go on to develop symptoms later, according to researchers.

The United States has more people behind bars than any other nation, a total incarcerated population of nearly 2.3 million as of 2017 — nearly half of which is in state prisons. Smaller numbers are locked in federal prisons and local jails, which typically hold people for relatively short periods as they await trial.

State prison systems in Michigan, Tennessee and California have also begun mass testing — checking for coronavirus infections in large numbers of inmates even if they show no sign of illness — but have not provided specific counts of asymptomatic prisoners.

Tennessee said a majority of its positive cases didn’t show symptoms. In Michigan, state authorities said “a good number” of the 620 prisoners who tested positive for the coronavirus were asymptomatic. California’s state prison system would not release counts of asymptomatic prisoners.

Each state manages multiple prison facilities. Ohio, for instance, has 49,000 prisoners in 28 facilities. A total 3,837 inmates tested positive for the coronavirus in 15 of those facilities. But the state has not yet provided results on symptoms for 1,809 of them and did not identify the total number of tests conducted across the prison system.

Arkansas and Tennessee have also taken a targeted approach by conducting mass testing in several of their facilities. Michigan, North Carolina, California and Virginia have started with one facility each.

Most state prisons did not provide the age or other demographic details of those who tested positive for the coronavirus, which has killed more than 200,000 people globally, including more than 53,000 in the United States.

VAST UNDERCOUNT

Reuters surveyed all 50 state prison systems. Of the 30 that responded, most are only testing inmates who show symptoms, suggesting they could be vastly undercounting the number infected by the coronavirus.

Florida and Texas, whose inmate populations are bigger than Ohio’s, report a combined total of just 931 cases — far fewer than the 3,837 inmates who tested positive in Ohio. New York, the epicenter of the U.S. outbreak, has reported 269 positive cases among 51,000 inmates. All three states are testing only symptomatic prisoners.

“Prison agencies are almost certainly vastly undercounting the number of COVID cases among incarcerated persons,” said Michele Deitch, a corrections specialist and senior lecturer at the University of Texas. “Just as the experts are telling us in our free-world communities, the only way to get ahead of this outbreak is through mass testing.”

Prison officials in Florida and Texas said they were following guidance from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention along with state health officials when testing only inmates showing symptoms of the virus. New York’s Department of Corrections said its policy of only testing prisoners who show symptoms was “reflective of testing procedures in the general public.”

Tennessee took an aggressive approach after a dozen inmates tested positive at the Bledsoe County Correctional Complex in the city of Pikeville last week. The state’s Department of Correction has tested 3,503 prisoners at Bledsoe, the Northwest Correctional Complex and the Turney Center Industrial Complex.

As of Friday, 651 were positive, and most of them were asymptomatic, the department said.

“It’s what makes the pandemic more difficult to manage,” said Marc Stern, former medical director for the Washington State Department of Corrections and a faculty member at the University of Washington’s School of Public Health. “There are a whole lot of people who are asymptomatic.”

After a recent spike in cases at the Neuse Correctional Institution in Goldsboro, North Carolina, state correctional officials tested all 723 prisoners last week. Of the 444 who were infected by the virus, 98% were asymptomatic, the state’s department of public safety said. One inmate has died at the prison.

Similarly, mass testing at two Arkansas prisons — the Cummins Unit in the city of Grady and the Community Correction Center in the state capital Little Rock — found 751 infected inmates, almost all of them asymptomatic, the state corrections department said. It did not provide the total number of inmates who were tested.

Arkansas’ prisons have faced contagious disease outbreaks before, such as scabies and chickenpox, but those episodes were easier to manage because inmates showed overt symptoms, said Arkansas Department of Corrections spokeswoman Dina Tyler. “But with this virus, you have no idea because so many are asymptomatic. It makes it very challenging to contain,” she said.

‘24-HOUR TURNAROUND IS CRUCIAL’

Michigan’s Lakeland Correctional Facility houses some of the state’s oldest and most medically frail prisoners. When coronavirus cases surged, the prison saw a spike in infections and deaths. As of April 23, nine Lakeland inmates had died from COVID-19, accounting for a third of the deaths across Michigan’s 29 state prisons.

Nearly half of Lakeland’s 1,400 prisoners suffer from chronic underlying health conditions, according to state data. Many are in wheelchairs, and the minimum-security facility in southern Michigan has its own geriatric unit for its large elderly population.

On Tuesday, the prison tested all 400 inmates in the geriatric ward and plans to test the rest of the facility by the end of the week. Of the 971 tested so far, 642, or about 66%, were positive. A state official declined to disclose how many were asymptomatic.

“We know mass testing is going to make our numbers spike and might make us look bad,” said Chris Gautz, spokesman for the Michigan Department of Corrections. “But I don’t think there’s another prison system in the country that doesn’t have large numbers. They just might not be testing as rigorously as we are.”

All tested inmates are quarantined in their rooms or units pending the test results, which usually come back in a day, he said. “The 24-hour turnaround is crucial” because once an inmate tests negative, they can return to the general population, he said.

In the seven state prison systems conducting mass tests, 49 inmates have died.

As the coronavirus spreads behind bars, rights groups and public defenders say they fear more will succumb, and have pressed for the release of nonviolent older and medically high-risk inmates. While thousands have been let out, crowded, often unsanitary conditions have raised concerns that jails and prisons could become vectors for the disease.

“They’re worse than landlocked cruise ships,” Stern, the corrections expert, said, referring to stranded cruise ships that have been overwhelmed by coronavirus infections.

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby PufPuf93 » Sun Apr 26, 2020 2:55 pm

Here is the current status (as of 4/25/20) regards CV19 in the county where I live. Humboldt county is a rural county on the north coast of California with modest urbanization on Humboldt Bay. Many know Humboldt county for redwood trees and cannabis. Population as of 2010 census was slightly over 132,000.

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Humboldt county wiki for perspective: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humboldt_ ... California

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http://kymkemp.com/2020/04/25/no-new-po ... -april-25/

No New Positive COVID-19 Cases in Humboldt County on April 25

Total new positive cases confirmed on April 25: 0
Daily COVID-19 case report for April 25
Total number of positive cases: 53
Total number of hospitalizations: 4
Total number of recovered cases: 50
Total number of people tested by Public Health Laboratory: 1,317
Total number of people tested by all other sources: 675
(Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, California Department of Public Health and commercial labs)

After receiving additional supplies, the Public Health Laboratory currently has a capacity of approximately 900 tests and can process about 65 samples a day with an approximate turnaround time of 48 to 72 hours.

Humboldt County’s case count remains 53. No additional cases were confirmed today.

Humboldt County Health Officer Dr. Teresa Frankovich said, “As always, it is encouraging to see no positive cases, but we recognize that we will see some increase in cases as we ease shelter in place. Regardless, it is important that we begin to move forward soon at the state and local level and are planning accordingly.”

The following information is based on the most recent data available for all confirmed cases:

Contact to a Known Case: 23
Travel-Acquired: 20
Community Transmission: 9
Under Investigation: 1

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Construction of A 100-Bed Alternative Care Site Begins at Redwood Acres

On Friday April 24, the Governor’s Office of Emergency Services started construction of a 100-bed alternative care site at Redwood Acres Fairground. The site is being set up “to treat non-critical patients in the event that local hospitals are severely impacted by a COVID-19 surge,” a post on the HumCo COVID Facebook page reads.

During a forum this past Thursday, Deputy Health Officer Josh Ennis displayed a slide show that estimates Humboldt County’s COVID-19 peak to take place in November or December of this year if current shelter-in-place orders remain the same. According to Ennis’s presentation, the county should expect a surge of about 145 hospital beds, 64 ICU beds, the need for 34 ventilators and a prediction of 28 deaths if current precautions are maintained.

“If we leave everything in place, this is what we’ll see,” Ennis said.

[Neat graphic at link]

After this slide was shown, Lost Coast Outpost Editor Hank Sims asked for Ennis to clarify the slide, stating that it seems a bit confusing on why we should be expecting a surge in cases in eight months, especially because of the recent flatlining of cases.

Ennis essentially said that Humboldt County is not a completely sealed off and closed-loop system. There are people still moving about and outsiders coming and going and because of this, spread is going to continue.

“We don’t live in a vacuum,” Ennis said. “People are coming in and out, people are moving around still, people are in homes potentially exposing family members…. We don’t have the ability to test everyone we want to test and so there is low-level circulation out in the community.”

So given the need for more hospital beds and the underlying community transmission still taking place, Ennis said he has been working with local hospitals and the state to build up reserves for when a surge does take place. This new 100-bed alternative care site appears to be one of those needed resources to help prevent a more severe scenario. Ennis said local hospitals are currently working on tripling their capacity to treat for ICU patients as well.

Public Health Officer Dr. Teresa Frankovich said the current modeling is the best one they have available for now and that county officials will keep an eye on how the actual numbers relate to the model itself.

[Neat and sobering graphic of expectations should the shelter in place remains in effect]

“I think as we move forward we have to keep in mind there are huge consequences if rural areas play out like this,” Dr. Frankovich said in regard to lifting all precautions on May 1 which could increase the number of hospital bed needs to 976, ICU patients to 408 with 251 on ventilators and possibly 188 deaths.

“Again this is the best information we have and we just have to have an understanding that going forward we are going to be navigating the place between those curves and basically trying to conserve lives and never overwhelm our healthcare system.”
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sun Apr 26, 2020 3:39 pm

undead » Sun Apr 26, 2020 1:29 pm wrote:This is kind of unbelievable - such a vast majority with no symptoms... in prisons?

In four U.S. state prisons, nearly 3,300 inmates test positive for coronavirus -- 96% without symptoms


It sounds baffling indeed but it's likely related to the incentive structure of prison life, which is radically different from the outside. What happens if you admit to having symptoms? Are there reasons why you'd be better off refusing to admit you were having symptoms? Where do you get moved to?

In a lot of ways this prisoner's dilemma structure is close kin to the predicament of my friends in NYC last month who figured they were probably sick but didn't want to make the pilgrimage to a hospital to get tested. Because after waiting for hours in cramped conditions surrounded by infected people, equipment, surfaces and air, "probably" would get upgraded to "definitely."

The same logic probably holds true for prisoners who don't want to get moved to solitary wings or special temporary facilities where they'd be crowded in with severely afflicted prisoners who are definitely infected -- all while being monitored by poorly paid, poorly trained medical staff who don't give a fuck about you and would prefer to avoid you altogether and just make it to the end of another shift.

The 96%, however, remains insane. Perhaps there's an issue with false positives there; perhaps these outbreaks just began recently and all of these numbers are infections that are still in the early incubation x shedding phases. Perhaps this is just another PR scare story to encourge people to remain indoors for another month, too -- the reality of the epidemic hardly precludes the reality of pure psyops horseshit, after all. (To be clear, that horseshit would be originating from prison authorities, not Reuters, who are generally quite solid except on issues of America's wars abroad.)
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Grizzly » Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:49 pm

Within 5 months between 11/2001 and 03/2002, 11 of the world's leading microbiologists died suspiciously.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/g8g9zg/within_5_months_between_112001_and_032002_11_of/

much more info in the comments

t's a tale only the best conspiracy theorist could dream up.

Eleven microbiologists mysteriously dead over the span of just five months. Some of them world leaders in developing weapons-grade biological plagues. Others the best in figuring out how to stop millions from dying because of biological weapons. Still others, experts in the theory of bioterrorism.

Throw in a few Russian defectors, a few nervy U.S. biotech companies, a deranged assassin or two, a bit of Elvis, a couple of Satanists, a subtle hint of espionage, a big whack of imagination, and the plot is complete, if a bit reminiscent of James Bond.


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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:52 pm



Saying what, though? What is the connective tissue here? How does that come to bear on our current situation?
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Postby Grizzly » Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:59 pm

Saying what, though? What is the connective tissue here? How does that come to bear on our current situation?



Dr. Frank Plummer : A recent death in February 2020 of a Canadian microbiologist who was the head of Winnipeg level 4 bio lab and was working on HIV vaccine. https://gumshoenews.com/2020/02/09/death-of-dr-frank-plummer-and-the-bio-weapon-corona-virus/

This is the same level 4 bio lab that kicked out two top Chinese researchers and their Chinese student researchers in July :

Dr. Xiangguo Qiu, her husband Keding Cheng and an unknown number of her students from China were removed from Canada's only level-4 lab on July 5.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/chinese-researcher-escorted-from-infectious-disease-lab-amid-rcmp-investigation-1.5211567

In 2009, another Chinese researcher was arrested for smuggling Ebola and other samples from the same lab: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/charged-with-smuggling-in-u-s-ex-winnipeg-researcher-cops-a-plea-1.820854

Additionally, another researcher has recently disappeared from the Winnipeg Lab, Geoff Soule.
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Geoff_Soule
Lots of curious events surrounding the same lab, I hope some people dig into this a bit more.
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Postby alloneword » Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:09 pm

Today I read that:

The international body charged with policing bioweapons is the Biological Weapons Convention. Its annual budget is just €1.4m (£1.2m). As Ord points out with due derision, that sum is less than the turnover of the average McDonald’s restaurant.

If that’s food for thought, Ord has another gastronomic comparison that’s even harder to swallow. While he’s not sure exactly how much the world invests in measuring existential risk, he’s confident, he writes, that we spend “more on ice-cream every year than on ensuring that the technologies we develop don’t destroy us”.

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby annie aronburg » Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:59 pm

Grizzly » Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:59 pm wrote:
Saying what, though? What is the connective tissue here? How does that come to bear on our current situation?



Dr. Frank Plummer : A recent death in February 2020 of a Canadian microbiologist who was the head of Winnipeg level 4 bio lab and was working on HIV vaccine. https://gumshoenews.com/2020/02/09/death-of-dr-frank-plummer-and-the-bio-weapon-corona-virus/

This is the same level 4 bio lab that kicked out two top Chinese researchers and their Chinese student researchers in July :

Dr. Xiangguo Qiu, her husband Keding Cheng and an unknown number of her students from China were removed from Canada's only level-4 lab on July 5.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/chinese-researcher-escorted-from-infectious-disease-lab-amid-rcmp-investigation-1.5211567

In 2009, another Chinese researcher was arrested for smuggling Ebola and other samples from the same lab: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/charged-with-smuggling-in-u-s-ex-winnipeg-researcher-cops-a-plea-1.820854

Additionally, another researcher has recently disappeared from the Winnipeg Lab, Geoff Soule.
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Geoff_Soule
Lots of curious events surrounding the same lab, I hope some people dig into this a bit more.


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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Elvis » Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:53 pm

Because the issue is science I'll address this here but henceforth climate science topics should be discussed in the appropriate thread(s).

0_0 » Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:58 pm wrote:Elvis, while you stating that it's bullshit is certainly all the proof i would ever need, even more so when your best friend personally knows the scientists involved, still for the doubting thomases out there (how dare they!!!! grrrrr!!!) could you elaborate what in this video is wrong and why?



Ten minutes into the video. About emails. The assholes get their hands on a target's 10,000 emails and comb them for one out-of-context remark they can wave as "proof" that climate science is bogus. Climate scientists are now preemptively releasing years of emails, so the litigous, industry-paid FOIA abusers can't use that malicious trick. It's a lot of work (redacting third-party personal data etc.), but must be done thanks to the oil-lubricated assholes.

More later if I make time for it, but will say Corbett over the years has a lot of done fantastic work. I'm disappointed with his overall CC lens, Corbett of all people is not following the money on this.

DrEvil wrote:3) It has Marc Morano in it.


The tiny minority of credentialed contrarians are propped up by an enormous web of denial blogs written by non-climate scientists and non-scientists, such as “ClimateDepot” (by the Washington DC conservative outfit CFACT), the conservative Heartland Institute, WattsUpWithThat (headed by conservative TV meteorologist Anthony Watts), “RealClimateScience” (not to be confused with RealClimate.org, a blog by real climate scientists), NoTricksZone (with writers such as Kenneth Richard who I have examined before), Tony Heller (a longtime conspiracy theorist who used to go by the alias Steve Goddard), JoNova, and “Friends of Science”. Even publications like Washington Post and Forbes have published articles from professional pseudo-skeptics like James Taylor (Heartland Institute), and the New York Times recently hired conservative pseudo-skeptic Bret Stephens.

https://www.skepticalscience.com/agw-de ... ained.html


The Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT) is a Washington, D.C.-based 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization founded in 1985 that advocates for free-market solutions to environmental issues.
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Staffers include communications director Marc Morano
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In 2010, nearly half of CFACT's funding came from Donors Trust, a nonprofit donor-advised fund with the goal of "safeguarding the intent of libertarian and conservative donors".[9] .[10] In 2011, CFACT received a $1.2 million grant from Donors Trust, 40% of CFACT's revenue that year.[11] Peabody Energy funded CFACT before its bankruptcy as did Robert E. Murray's Murray Energy before its bankruptcy.[12][13]

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In the video I see Morano speaking at the Liberty Forum of Silicon Valley—a wonderful bunch of rich people & their lackeys regularly hosting enlightened speakers such as Pamela Geller, Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, James O'Keefe, every National Review fellow, and pretty much every right-wing, pro-corporate propagandist and brainwashed true believer out there who has a platform. Every one of them cheers for that big club we're not in.

I conclude that Marc Morano is not a trustworthy source for interpreting science, and he's weak support for any argument claiming that organized knowledge is all corrupt and therefore useless. If there's a conspiracy here I think it's to turn people into know-nothings so that in turn, they'll believe anything.

I'm not trying to just defeat you in argument, but rather get you to look at who's behind the pro-bigbiz "activists" like Marc Morano.

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby undead » Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:55 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:It sounds baffling indeed but it's likely related to the incentive structure of prison life, which is radically different from the outside. What happens if you admit to having symptoms? Are there reasons why you'd be better off refusing to admit you were having symptoms? Where do you get moved to?

In a lot of ways this prisoner's dilemma structure is close kin to the predicament of my friends in NYC last month who figured they were probably sick but didn't want to make the pilgrimage to a hospital to get tested. Because after waiting for hours in cramped conditions surrounded by infected people, equipment, surfaces and air, "probably" would get upgraded to "definitely."

The same logic probably holds true for prisoners who don't want to get moved to solitary wings or special temporary facilities where they'd be crowded in with severely afflicted prisoners who are definitely infected -- all while being monitored by poorly paid, poorly trained medical staff who don't give a fuck about you and would prefer to avoid you altogether and just make it to the end of another shift.


Yeah, here in the epicenter of the epicenter, the public paranoia due to the cable news virus is reaching proportions akin to denunciations during the French Revolution. One friend today told me she was out for a walk today with her partner on a wooded trail that is open. Some people were around but not a big crowd. When they came out to the trail head cop was there and told them that somebody called the station to report that people were not "social distancing" (the cop made scare quotes with his hands from behind his cracked window). Everyone was required to leave. Couples ("romantic partners"), families, and people who live together in a residence are not required to social distance, and "required" is really a media panic suggestion since there isn't even an emergency order to that effect in this state. Still, everyone had to clear out of the area because somebody called. The cops seem to hate this shit more than anyone because it is so confusing to try to enforce. Also they are the ones most exposed, and most likely to spread it to others at this point.

Re prison statistics, you're right, that figure is absurd bullshit for the reasons you stated. I had already read this article but forgot about it when I posted. I don't know if anyone here has ever read this website but it is excellent.

I HAVE THE CORONAVIRUS IN PRISON
By Chris Dankovich, Contributing Writer

The siren blares. –“EVERYBODY LOCK DOWN. BACK TO YOUR CELLS, SHUT YOUR DOORS”–

I try to get up to use the bathroom [which is outside of our cells] before we’re actually locked in our rooms for the next 1-5 hours, depending on the reason for the siren blaring.

My whole body aches as I try to stand, and I have so little energy my knees buckle at first when I do and I land back on my bunk. A hacking cough, and I’m out of breath just like last night. My throat and chest still scream like I just ran a 5K. I manage to force myself up, and limp to the cell door and go use the bathroom. I look up in the polished-steel mirror as I wash my hands, and my eyes and face are puffy like I just got in a fight.

The nurses come around. Nurse A, a mean older lady, announces, “Anyone who has Coronavirus symptoms let us know, and we’re taking you to the Hole [solitary confinement] … for safety reasons of course.” (And I’m thinking, what a good way to get people to volunteer).

When no one says anything, they come around and interview every inmate personally, randomly making us put one of those finger-thermometers on our fingers. They already have 9 men in my unit with temperatures and symptoms — how many more will there be? And if anywhere near that number has it in our other 8 units…. putting them all in the Hole isn’t going to work.

So by the time they get to my bunkie and me, they’ve already decided that they’re not taking guys to the Hole anymore and everyone will just stay in the unit… on top of quarantining the whole prison.

Cough, cough. Stumble, run to the bathroom where other men are doing the same. Wash up. Back to bed.

–DAY 2–

I’ve been asleep probably 30 of the past 36 hours. I force myself to drink some water and turn on my TV. The world is in a panic. Markets crashed, concerts cancelled, large groups frowned upon, mass outages of toilet paper and bottled water. I. can’t. keep. my. eyes. open. anymore. I set the book on my chest; it rises and falls as I struggle to breathe. The next thing I know, I’ve rolled over onto it.

–DAY 3–

I wake up to an announcement from the unit supervisor (or A.R.U.S., “Assistant Resident Unit Supervisor”… institutions of any kind love acronyms). –“Guys, I don’t know how long we’re going to be on this full quarantine, but it’ll at least be another week and could be as long as a couple months. I hope not and don’t have any control over it, but I’ll let you know when I know something.”–

We get out first hour outside since the beginning of the quarantine. I bundle up as well as I can, because I’m not going to miss getting some fresh air after all this even though it’s Michigan in March and that means it’s cold. I walk around the track, grateful that I’m awake enough to be able to, but shortly have to sit down as I’m struggling breathing. I just take in the fresh air, listening to Flint, MI’s rock station, The Banana FM 101.5 .

Back inside I get some hot water for a chicken ramen noodle. Chicken Soup for the Prisoner’s Soul. Then I go get back under the covers.

–DAY 4–

I awake to the sound of my cell door’s doorknob being wiped down with disinfectant. Some of the more obsessive inmates have taken it upon themselves to volunteer to clean everything every day and use the provided disinfectant to sanitize everything. Not that I’m complaining. I can’t wait to get better to clean my cell, though I figure it makes sense to wait until I’m not hacking up viral bits every couple minutes back onto the walls.

My bunkie Michael Jackson (his real name… he’s white; uhm, was born white), who came down with his symptoms just a few hours before me, is hanging out in the dayroom, which he usually does. He’s a good bunkie: he’s really respectful and prefers to always be out of the room as much as possible… though I feel like some people might take action if they get sick from him coughing all over the place in the TV room. Oh well. I make some tea and work on a painting of a woman blooming from the center of a rose and [Cough, cough, cough. Cough, cough, cough].

Surprisingly no one has gotten in a fight in our unit, yet. Close-quarters with no ability to separate usually causes problems. I think no one wants to get sick and be in the Hole.

–DAY 5–

My first day around people much, where I’m not confined or confining myself. Turns out the thinking is that pretty much everyone has ALREADY had whatever this is, so there’s not much chance that I’ll pass it to them. Still, there’s some elderly inmates here and I don’t want to contribute to them getting it. Get another hour outside. Fresh air never really even registers that much until you go some time without it. You hear coughing everywhere, and wheezing, and other bodily noises.

–DAY 6–

Scrabble tournament. Does everyone know I’ve been sick? I ask. Apparently everyone’s been sick, so I play. Personal supplies of food are running low. The prison economy is on hold, apparently just like the real one. No selling cards/drugs/homemade-fudge/porn/sewing-services/etc…, and no gambling, when the units can’t interact and everything is shut down. No getting more to eat right now until our commissary is delivered. Seeing that we had to order two weeks ahead of time, this one isn’t going to help most people that much. Oh well, just going to have to survive “state-raised”.

–DAY 7–

First fight. Big brawl. Over a card game. Probably at least a third of fights are. Everyone’s already stir-crazy and restless. Knowing we’ll go out in a little bit helps. You live these parts of life from event-to-event. Wake up to breakfast. Breakfast to lunch. Lunch to dinner. Dinner to yard. Yard to evening. Divide and conquer.

–DAY 8, 9, 10, 11, etc…–

Someone new got sick in another unit. Mine might get off most restrictions soon. Still under some restrictions as long as there’s panic and a state of emergency out in the world. I worry about my dad, who’s in the danger age-range. His stubborn-a$$ just ordered some supplies directly from the epicenter of COVID-19, Wuhan China…

Despite what some people say and despite how I felt the other day, I don’t think this is the apocalypse. In the end, things will go back to normal… including prison. It’ll just be a pain until it does.

TO BE CONTINUED…..

https://prisonwriters.com/coronovirus-in-prison/
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby DrEvil » Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:56 pm

Grizzly » Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:49 am wrote:Within 5 months between 11/2001 and 03/2002, 11 of the world's leading microbiologists died suspiciously.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/g8g9zg/within_5_months_between_112001_and_032002_11_of/

much more info in the comments

t's a tale only the best conspiracy theorist could dream up.

Eleven microbiologists mysteriously dead over the span of just five months. Some of them world leaders in developing weapons-grade biological plagues. Others the best in figuring out how to stop millions from dying because of biological weapons. Still others, experts in the theory of bioterrorism.

Throw in a few Russian defectors, a few nervy U.S. biotech companies, a deranged assassin or two, a bit of Elvis, a couple of Satanists, a subtle hint of espionage, a big whack of imagination, and the plot is complete, if a bit reminiscent of James Bond.


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Just saying...


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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby undead » Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:16 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:In a lot of ways this prisoner's dilemma structure is close kin to the predicament of my friends in NYC last month who figured they were probably sick but didn't want to make the pilgrimage to a hospital to get tested. Because after waiting for hours in cramped conditions surrounded by infected people, equipment, surfaces and air, "probably" would get upgraded to "definitely."


Besides being upgraded to "definitely", don't forget that one could be upgraded to "definitely" plus many other possible infections. This is an issue that seems increasingly taboo, now that hospital workers are the new military who are protecting us against Osama bin Corona and the Al-Covid terrorist network. You have to support the troops, or else you hate the troops, and freedom, America, etc. You can't point out the the conditions for Islamic paramilitaries to grow in were created by the same war machine that people want to support in order to fight them. Because then you would be hating on the troops, and letting the terrorists win. So we will keep mass manufacturing pathogens in Biosafety Level 4 labs, in order to protect ourselves from those pathogens. We will also keep dumping more resources into a hospital system that breeds disease.

Many people know that they will be much better off not saying anything, not seeking treatment, and continuing to work. If they say anything about it, they will be shamed for spreading it to others. Even if they are lucky enough to get paid sick leave, the recriminations that come with reporting your own symptoms could be far reaching. When did you start having symptoms? Why didn't you say something sooner? Who are all the people you had contact with? Let's check your phone calls and GPS locations tracking. Now what if your friends don't get sick leave, and still have to be quarantined? You just snitched on them and screwed them over.

At least here in the tristate area, it seems like when they roll out the comprehensive testing everyone will have already gotten it anyway.
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Postby Grizzly » Mon Apr 27, 2020 2:36 am

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby 0_0 » Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:45 am

Where i live i have to say where i'm coming from and where I'm going to when crossing city borders now, nevermind borders with neighboring countries: they are closed. The lockdown has been extended with another month without even an attempt at justification anymore, just as in the rest of the world (because we're all the same now courtesy of The Great Equalizer™). Youtube CEO Susan Wojcicki announced they will ban any content that contradicts WHO recommendations. Meanwhile WHO still has this up on their site:

Recommendations for international trafic
WHO continues to advise against the application of travel or trade restrictions to countries experiencing COVID-19 outbreaks.

In general, evidence shows that restricting the movement of people and goods during public health emergencies is ineffective in most situations and may divert resources from other interventions. Furthermore, restrictions may interrupt needed aid and technical support, may disrupt businesses, and may have negative social and economic effects on the affected countries. However, in certain circumstances, measures that restrict the movement of people may prove temporarily useful, such as in settings with few international connections and limited response capacities.

Travel measures that significantly interfere with international traffic may only be justified at the beginning of an outbreak, as they may allow countries to gain time, even if only a few days, to rapidly implement effective preparedness measures. Such restrictions must be based on a careful risk assessment, be proportionate to the public health risk, be short in duration, and be reconsidered regularly as the situation evolves.

Travel bans to affected areas or denial of entry to passengers coming from affected areas are usually not effective in preventing the importation of cases but may have a significant economic and social impact.


source: https://www.who.int/news-room/articles- ... 9-outbreak

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:26 pm

(This guy does wear a lot of hats.)

"Prof Babak Javid, Principal Investigator, Tsinghua University School of Medicine, Beijing, and Consultant in infectious diseases at Cambridge University Hospitals, said:

“The initial WHO statement was very confusing and highlights how technically precise language such as ‘no evidence to support’ can have very different meanings to scientists and the general public. In the clarification, the WHO acknowledges that although it is true that we just don’t know whether natural infection provides long-lasting immunity, or to what degree of protection (i.e. ‘no evidence’), this does NOT mean they do not expect some degree of immunity to be afforded by natural infection, quite the opposite.

“In fact, we know from experiments performed in the UK in the 1970s and 1980s that there is immunity to common-cold coronaviruses, that this immunity is highly correlated with antibody responses, and that the immunity is not long-lasting. So given that we know that the majority of people that have had COVID-19 develop neutralising antibody responses, it is reasonable to assume that they will develop at least short-term immunity from re-infection. The critical questions are how robust that immunity would be, and for how long it would last. These questions can be reasonably addressed by performing longitudinal studies in people known to have been infected: i.e. test their antibody responses over time, especially if they are in high-risk groups (such as healthcare workers); and monitor whether antibodies are associated with protection from re-infection in the light of an ongoing pandemic.”

“On a more general note, the high degree of anxiety provoked by the WHO’s message, and their rapid correction of their intended meaning emphasises the need for scientists and science organisations not to hide behind precise terms that may be misleading to a general audience.”
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