Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

[Belligerent Savant]

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This is a worthwhile talking point that should not be ruled out.

https://off-guardian.org/2021/06/07/the ... fear-porn/

The Wuhan “lab-leak” story is just more fear porn.

The media – both alternative and mainstream – are all talking about the possibility that the virus which allegedly causes Covid19 was leaked from a virology lab in Wuhan, and may have been developed as a bio-weapon.

We published, just last week, a fact-check article (https://off-guardian.org/2021/05/29/cor ... bioweapon/) looking at the evidence for and against it.

Suffice to say, there’s very little evidence to support the idea the virus known as Sars-Cov-2 was developed in a lab. And, given its low death rate, no reason at all to fear it even if it were.

Nevertheless, the story doesn’t seem to be going away, especially with the release of the Fauci emails. To us, the FOIA-released emails seem nothing but a distraction.

The fact this story is being spread by Buzzfeed, CNN and Washington Post, some of the most controlled media in the age of controlled media, doesn’t seem to be putting off people who should probably know better.

Just yesterday the Wall Street Journal published an article headlined:

The Science Suggests a Wuhan Lab Leak

It’s pretty clear that the entire Covid19 “pandemic” narrative is undergoing a shift, a change in focus that will both reinforce the idea the virus is definitely real/frightening, and re-frame China to play the heel.

The problems with this narrative were perfectly summed up by our friends over at the Consent Factory, home of satirist-in-residence CJ Hopkins and a Twitter must-follow. We’ve transcribed their brilliant Twitter thread below.

The lab-leak story is:

1. An out for those who haven’t wanted to face the fallout of covering the actual Covid story (i.e., manipulation of definitions and statistics to generate the illusion of an apocalyptic plague)
2. Reification of that illusion.

If they can get you to focus on how the “monster virus” may have “escaped from a lab” (like in a sci-fi movie)…maybe you’ll forget about Sweden, Florida, Texas, etc.



If they can get you to focus on how the “monster virus” may have “escaped from a lab” (like in a sci-fi movie)…maybe you will forget how they redefined a medical “case” to include perfectly healthy people, and then reported an explosion of “cases.”

If they can get you to focus on how the “monster virus” may have “escaped from a lab” (like in a sci-fi movie)…maybe you’ll totally forget how they defined a “Covid hospitalization” as anyone in hospital, for any reason, who tested positive with a PCR test jacked up to 40 or 50.

If they can get you to focus on how the “monster virus” may have “escaped from a lab” (like in a sci-fi movie)…maybe you’ll totally forget how they defined a “Covid death” as anyone who died, of any cause, who tested positive with a PCR test within the previous 28 days.

If they can get you to focus on how the “monster virus” may have “escaped from a lab” (like in a sci-fi movie)…maybe you’ll forget how they suddenly decided that herd immunity had never existed, and could only be achieved with an experimental “vaccine.”

If they can get you to focus on how the “monster virus” may have “escaped from a lab” (like in a sci-fi movie)…maybe you’ll forget how they showed us fake photos of “people dropping dead in the streets from Covid” back when the Shock and Awe campaign began.



If they can get you to focus on how the “monster virus” may have “escaped from a lab” (like in a sci-fi movie)…maybe you’ll forget how they terrorized everyone with pictures of “death trucks.”



If they can get you to focus on how the “monster virus” may have “escaped from a lab” (like in a sci-fi movie)…maybe you’ll forget all the empty “emergency Covid hospitals.”



If they can get you to focus on how the “monster virus” may have “escaped from a lab” (like in a sci-fi movie)…maybe you’ll forget the totally non-apocalyptic age-adjusted death rates.


https://swprs.org/studies-on-covid-19-lethality/

And so on…

[when analyzing that last age-adjusted death rate chart, one should factor in lockdown-related deaths (suicides, untreated terminal illness, etc.)]


A few more charts worthy of inclusion here:







All from: https://swprs.org/studies-on-covid-19-lethality/

[stickdog99]

https://oaklandside.org/2021/06/04/alam ... n-thought/

A quarter of all deaths previously attributed to COVID-19 in Alameda County weren’t actually caused by the coronavirus, the Alameda County Public Health Department announced today.

That puts the county’s new official COVID-19 death toll at 1,223, down from 1,634.

The 25% decrease—or 411 cases—is due to the fact that COVID “wasn’t a direct cause” of death in these cases, according to county health officials. ...

Dr. Amesh Adalja, an infectious disease expert and senior scholar at Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, told The Oaklandside that although some adjustments are to be expected, 25% “seems high.” Adalja said he has never seen this big of an adjustment in a death count with other infectious diseases. ...

In announcing the changes to the data, the county used the example of a resident who tested positive for COVID-19 but died in a car accident. Under the original definition, that person’s death would have been included in the total number of COVID-19 deaths. Balram said she couldn’t say if that actual scenario played out in Alameda County. ...

[stickdog99]

Qualified panel discuss mRNA dangers and safer alternatives.

Those here who are still on the fence about vaccinating themselves and their children should watch this (especially the critical section that begins at the 14:30 mark). I would love to hear a counterpoint that does not include smearing these experts as conspiracy theorists or questioning their politics but instead consists of a sober, scientific, data-backed analysis.

In addition, I would like to ask anyone here to explain to me why the information in this video has been censored from major internet platforms such as Youtube. Don't people deserve consider any and all relevant information about their own personal healthcare interventions?

[stickdog99]

^^^^^

indeed.


By the way, was there a 'pandemic' in Sweden in 2017-2018?

There were severe outbreaks of h3n2 influenza around the world in 2017/18. Its the same flu varient that caused the 1967/68 pandemics. In Australia the death rate from flu was about three times higher than the previous year.

Right. And yet no mandates or lockdowns in 2017-2018. NO fearporn. No blatant propaganda. Somehow humans, for the most part, carried on with barely any notice.

2017-2018: no propaganda
2020-2021: an onslaught of fearporn and blatant propaganda, leading to massive unprecedented transfer of wealth, heightened control measures and ongoing policy changes (proposed or enacted).

Are you serious?


Anyway ... there is definitely something in the use of Ivermectin as a treatment.

It seems to be successful everywhere its used and I haven't heard of it causing problems. There is obviously heaps of Pharma propaganda in the massive vaccination push. I'm not necessarily opposed to vaccination for COVId either.

I guess I just don't understand and have never understood the continuous promulgation of this exact sort of framing when it comes to the issue of any specific vaccine:

"I'm not necessarily opposed to vaccination for COVID either."

It's as if **vaccination itself** is the issue rather than the cost-risk vs. benefit analysis of the prophylactic benefit of specific emergency approved vaccines available in your locality compared to the cost-risk vs. benefit analyses of the prophylactics such as quercetin, zinc, Vitamins C and D, and ivermectin, as well as treatments such as quercetin, zinc, Vitamins C and D, ivermectin, bromhexine, sulodexide, fluvoxamine/cyproheptadine, and, yes, even hydroxychloroquine when and if individuals actually contract symptomatic COVID-19.

We dedicated countless billions of dollars to industry bailouts and "warp speed" vaccine development. Why did we not dedicate a few million to comprehensively test and evaluate any cheap, readily available, cost effective prophylactics and treatment regimens?

[JackRiddler]

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This is a worthwhile talking point that should not be ruled out.

https://off-guardian.org/2021/06/07/the ... fear-porn/

The Wuhan “lab-leak” story is just more fear porn.

Too much intuition in the absence of knowing much at all.

GoF and lab-leak (or worse) are totally credible, as for that matter is zoonotic.

Today I engaged with liberal-leftists all completely persuaded that the new currency of lab leak is entirely a consensus-manufacture project by right-wing media and cold warriors looking to tangle with or blame China, even though it's not at all clear that doings at WIV were Chinese as opposed to work funded by the international consortium. In any case, this group will not be swayed from the idea that lab-leak is a transparent myth for attacking China, and also that the question of origin is totally irrelevant, everyone's just got to get vaccinated and wear more masks so we can beat this thing, stop talking about it!!!

This is bullshit, since it's the persistence of certain scientists that has helped to revive this, and reverse the prior manufactured consensus and social media bans on the idea. Murdoch media jumped on the wagon afterward, though they were also there a year ago before it was declared "discredited."

But anyway, besides the aforementioned ones I'm debating with, you also have Yasha Levine, Mark Ames and the Grayzone guys (Max and Ben, not Aaron). All 100 percent assuring that it's all just a fable to hit China with. Which it could be, right? And which it's also ridiculous to be certain of. There is zero reason for anyone to stake out a certain position on this if they're not investigating it in depth and talking to experts. No need to taint your actual journalistic work with speculative froth.

Similarly, one can argue this from multiple plausible speculative angles, and none of them are worth pledging allegiance to at this point. So they're bringing this back because it's true and they want to control the fallout, they're bringing it back to confront China, they're bringing it back to confuse and terrify everyone as the above would have it. It portends an imminent overthrow of the official lockdown line, etc. etc. Who the fuck knows?

Whatever the truth is on this question, it's not going to be left-wing or right-wing, pro- or anti-China. This is absurd. The virus had an origin, and it's a scientific question, and it's not definitively answered. The material on it needs to be read dispassionately with analysis restricted to the facts about the yes-no question (and this is yes-no, zoonotic or anthropogenic) without presumptions.

That being said, I know where I lean too, right?

Here's some interesting stuff. Not endorsed, not unendorsed.

A Proposed Origin for SARS-CoV-2 and the COVID-19 Pandemic
BY JONATHAN LATHAM – ALLISON WILSON

JULY 17, 2020
https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/07/17 ... -pandemic/

In all the discussions of the origin of the COVID-19 pandemic, enormous scientific attention has been paid to the molecular character of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, including its novel genome sequence in comparison with its near relatives. In stark contrast, virtually no attention has been paid to the physical provenance of those nearest genetic relatives, its presumptive ancestors, which are two viral sequences named BtCoV/4991 and RaTG13.

This neglect is surprising because their provenance is more than interesting. BtCoV/4991 and RaTG13 were collected from a mineshaft in Yunnan province, China, in 2012/2013 by researchers from the lab of Zheng-li Shi at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV). Very shortly before, in the spring of 2012, six miners working in the mine had contracted a mysterious illness and three of them had died (Wu et al., 2014). The specifics of this mystery disease have been virtually forgotten; however, they are described in a Chinese Master’s thesis written in 2013 by a doctor who supervised their treatment.

We arranged to have this Master’s thesis translated into English. The evidence it contains has led us to reconsider everything we thought we knew about the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic. It has also led us to theorise a plausible route by which an apparently isolated disease outbreak in a mine in 2012 led to a global pandemic in 2019.

The origin of SARS-CoV-2 that we propose below is based on the case histories of these miners and their hospital treatment. This simple theory accounts for all the key features of the novel SARS-CoV-2 virus, including ones that have puzzled virologists since the outbreak began.

The theory can account for the origin of the polybasic furin cleavage site, which is a region of the viral spike protein that makes it susceptible to cleavage by the host enzyme furin and which greatly enhances viral spread in the body. This furin site is novel to SARS-CoV-2 compared to its near relatives (Coutard, et al., 2020). The theory also explains the exceptional affinity of the virus spike protein for human receptors, which has also surprised virologists (Letko et al., 2020; Piplani et al, 2020; Wrapp et al., 2020; Walls et al., 2020). The theory further explains why the virus has barely evolved since the pandemic began, which is also a deeply puzzling aspect of a virus supposedly new to humans (Zhan et al., 2020; van Dorp et al., 2020; Chaw et al., 2020). Lastly, the theory neatly explains why SARS-CoV-2 targets the lungs, which is unusual for a coronavirus (Huang et al., 2020).

We do not propose a specifically genetically engineered or biowarfare origin for the virus but the theory does propose an essential causative role in the pandemic for scientific research carried out by the laboratory of Zheng-li Shi at the WIV; thus also explaining Wuhan as the location of the epicentre.

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https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/07/17 ... -pandemic/

[Belligerent Savant]

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JRiddler typed:

Too much intuition in the absence of knowing much at all.

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one can argue this from multiple plausible speculative angles, and none of them are worth pledging allegiance to at this point. So they're bringing this back because it's true and they want to control the fallout, they're bringing it back to confront China, they're bringing it back to confuse and terrify everyone as the above would have it. It portends an imminent overthrow of the official lockdown line, etc. etc. Who the fuck knows?

Whatever the truth is on this question, it's not going to be left-wing or right-wing, pro- or anti-China. This is absurd. The virus had an origin, and it's a scientific question, and it's not definitively answered. The material on it needs to be read dispassionately with analysis restricted to the facts about the yes-no question (and this is yes-no, zoonotic or anthropogenic) without presumptions.

Indeed/agreed: there is no certainty at this time Re: origin of this virus, or the reasons for the sudden prominence of this story in the press.

But there is certainty as to the utter failure of broad-based, extensive lockdowns/mandates, which in my view, were not due to 'incompetence' -- a premise that could have been plausible if they lifted the largely unnecessary/ineffective lockdowns and mandates within the first ~two/three months, when better data became available. A proper postmortem will show that, given the immense transfer of wealth and subsequent coercive push for experimental 'vaccination' coupled with the suppression of effective/safe/cheap treatments like Ivermectin, etc, larger agendas have been in play (i.e., 4th industrial revolution, in short-hand).

Related:

@brainsturbator
Has someone published a deep dig on the bureaucratic hockey game that changed "lockdowns" from exotic matter into SOP coast to coast?

@a11iefox
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@brainsturbator
I think rockefeller lockstep scenario covered it back in 2010 while they were building bsl-4 lab in wuhan owned by rockefeller foundation via cas/pumc they bought from london missionary society back in 1915 (union medical college back then).

https://twitter.com/a11iefox/status/140 ... 66178?s=20

A bit of digging found the Rockefeller 'Lockstep' document from 2010, albeit sprinkled with (at times excessive appropriation of certain standard tropes) editorial commentary:

https://stopbsnow.com/wp-content/upload ... p-2010.pdf

A couple screenshots (highlights are not mine):

[Belligerent Savant]

Another example of the tragic/criminal consequences of Lockdown.

At Dartmouth College, first-year suicides a grim reminder of a year of loneliness

By Laura Krantz Globe Staff,Updated June 5, 2021, 4:02 p.m.

Students attend Dartmouth Remembers, a candlelight vigil held in May to commemorate the lives of four Dartmouth College students who died this academic year: Beau DuBray '24, Connor Tiffany '24, Lamees Kareem '22, and Elizabeth Reimer '24.

Beau DuBray felt at peace on his family’s ranch near the Missouri River in South Dakota, with its horses and roaming buffalo. Quiet and kind, the 18-year-old carried a deep respect for his Lakota heritage, his family said, and was troubled by American society’s rejection of Indigenous wisdom and destruction of the natural world.

Last fall, amid a global pandemic, DuBray took his dream of helping to bridge the cultural gap to Hanover, N.H., where he began his studies at Dartmouth College. In November, he took his own life.

Six months later, his family and friends are still trying to understand the mental health struggles he faced, as are the loved ones of two other first-year students who also died of suicide this year at Dartmouth, an unusually high number of such deaths in a single year.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/06/05/ ... oneliness/

[Belligerent Savant]

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https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(21)00364-7/fulltext

First case of postmortem study in a patient vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2

Highlights
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We report on a patient with a single dose of vaccine against SARS-CoV-2.
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He developed relevant serum titer levels but died 4 weeks later.
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By postmortem molecular mapping, we found viral RNA in nearly all organs examined.
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However, we did not observe any characteristic morphological features of COVID-19.
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Immunogenicity might be elicited, while sterile immunity was not established.

Abstract

A previously symptomless 86-year-old man received the first dose of the BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 vaccine. He died 4 weeks later from acute renal and respiratory failure. Although he did not present with any COVID-19-specific symptoms, he tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 before he died. Spike protein (S1) antigen-binding showed significant levels for immunoglobulin (Ig) G, while nucleocapsid IgG/IgM was not elicited. Acute bronchopneumonia and tubular failure were assigned as the cause of death at autopsy; however, we did not observe any characteristic morphological features of COVID-19. Postmortem molecular mapping by real-time polymerase chain reaction revealed relevant SARS-CoV-2 cycle threshold values in all organs examined (oropharynx, olfactory mucosa, trachea, lungs, heart, kidney and cerebrum) except for the liver and olfactory bulb. These results might suggest that the first vaccination induces immunogenicity but not sterile immunity.

Immunogenicity
Immunogenicity is the ability of a foreign substance, such as an antigen, to provoke an immune response in the body of a human or other animal. It may be wanted or unwanted: • Wanted immunogenicity typically relates to vaccines, where the injection of an antigen provokes an immune response against the pathogen, protecting the organism from future exposure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immunogenicity

Sterilizing immunity differs from effective immunity in that the latter can prevent illness but still lead to asymptomatic infection. Sterilizing immunity remains the holy grail of COVID-19 vaccine research, although several candidates in the pipeline show promise.

https://www.verywellhealth.com/covid-19 ... ty-5092148

[Monk]

Gain of function research has been going on for years given 2011 statements from Fauci and even interviews with various personalities right before the pandemic started (see the Bulletin article above for the Youtube interview link). The first few who got sick before the pandemic were scientists in Wuhan. And traces of the virus have been found in sewerage samples in different parts of the world from as early as March 2019.

[Belligerent Savant]

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@LHatesYouALot

The top awarding agency to Peter Daszak and the EcoHealth Alliance is the Department of Defense, making up over 68% of their total funding. In contrast, the Department of Health and Human Services makes up a little over 18%.

https://twitter.com/LHatesYouALot/statu ... 75010?s=20

Deception in America Episode One: The Tale of Peter Daszak

https://rumble.com/ve91zt-deception-in- ... aszak.html

(Gain of Function/related commentary begins at about the 16min mark of the linked video)

[Belligerent Savant]

@Grimhood
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It was never made illegal or even really enforced to go outside or take care of your health during lockdown here in the US.

You CHOSE to do it to yourself.

@BillyRedHorse
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They didn't take it; you surrendered it.

This is on you.

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@Grimhood

My life hasn’t changed at all throughout this entire duration. Still outside everyday, still traveling regularly.

I’ve had several people tell me they didn’t get any sunlight exposure for an entire year. You chose this.

@Grimhood
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*I* CHOSE to trust my own body and immune system.
*I* CHOSE to dismiss governmental advice that has never been anything but harmful.
*I* CHOSE to see through the bullsh*t.
*I* CHOSE to listen to my survival instincts and CHOSE health over isolation.

https://twitter.com/Grimhood/status/140 ... 90178?s=20

He/she is correct.

Of course, this assumes that current policies/mandates/restrictions remain status quo. But this is foolish, as the goalposts will likely continue to be moved, and certain policies -- like the various looming passports/tracking mechanisms related to travel and commerce -- may further limit options for those of us that continue to Refuse and Resist.

[Belligerent Savant]

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https://www.medscape.com/sites/public/c ... -Joo6NN5zs

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N B
4 hours ago

I had my second Pfizer shot on 4/6. I am 25, have no existing health conditions, not allergic to anything, and never had a reaction from a vaccine before. I felt nothing from the first shot, but after the second one I had arm cramping in the arm I got the shot in. I thought this was normal until 5 days after the vaccine I had muscle cramps in both my legs and arms. I thought still I had done something from working out until a couple days after that I started to experience sharp, electric pains in my arms and legs I had never experienced before. It wasn't constant, but I went probably every 10 minutes with either a cramp or sharp pain. I went to my primary care Dr to rule out vitamin deficiencies, etc. which all came back normal so she referred me to a neurologist. They said immediately it was caused by the vaccine, and informed the FDA. My pain finally started to subside significantly until 1.5 weeks ago I started getting the sharp pains in the sides of my head, followed by headaches/pressure. It feels like I'm being electrocuted. I decided to go to the ER because I had had enough of this, and had a CT scan done, which came back fine. I still have terrible head pain almost 2 weeks later and occasional pain in my legs and arms. I've been prescribed nerve pain medication, but takes a couple weeks to fully work. The neurologist basically said my I'm having a crazy immune/neurological reaction to the vaccine and should go away. It's been almost 2 months now since the first symptoms... I reported with VAERS as well. Nice to see that some other people have been experiencing muscle cramps, twitches, and neurological issues as well. Let me know if anybody else has muscle cramps and nerve pain that I am experiencing!
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Anna K
3 hours ago

This sounds really similar to what I have (posted below). Let me know if you want to talk. Haven’t gotten the headaches yet but have head pressure
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Anna K
4 hours ago

I have been reading these comments and waiting to post. I received my first Pfizer vaccine on 5/15. I had the sore arm and malaise. What followed has been a nightmare. I started experiencing numbness especially on the right side of my body (opposite of the shot arm). At its peak, I would wake up to my body so violently numb/pins & needles and malaise that I would physically throw myself out of the bed. I had some lab tests done. I am waiting on my second round of lab tests. The first round was fine, I’ll post an update if the second is not. Went to a neurologist who suggested an EMG and gave me gabapentin. Currently I am experiencing the malaise, strange sensations through my body, numbness on the right side. And a new feeling of spiraling staticky light headedness. I am trying to control my anxiety best I can and pray for a full recovery. I was a healthy active 33 year old with no known medical conditions.
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Leslie Busichio
9 hours ago

LB Registered Pharmacist

I had my second Pfizer Covid vaccine on March 19th. I have existing autoimmune issues , but mild. After the first week, I went into a hormone storm. I am 55 years old but have been in menopause for over 1 and 1/2 years with no symptoms. I had horrible night sweats, hot flashes, jitteriness , tension headaches with tingling at the back of my head and mouth. I also have developed Functional Dyspepsia. I do have controlled IBS, but never had anything that affected my digestion. I have lost over 12 pounds, and weigh 95, because I have to eat very small meals in order to keep the pain away and nausea. My thyroid medication had to be completely changed, I was having increase blood pressure and pulse, which led me to the ER twice. I have been told by a neurologist that I have anxiety. I am currently working with a psychologist, endocrinologist, GI, Integrative MD, and about to start accupuncture. Stay tuned if I get any relief. I am about to get an MRI to rule out any brain or nerve damage. I pray this will go away as time goes on and I can get back to my wonderful life.
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V B
14 hours ago

I am a Registered Nurse and Paramedic. I have never had COVID. I received my 1st dose of Moderna on January 30, 2021. Received my 2nd Moderna vaccine on March 1, 2021. 13 days later I got “COVID Arm” at injection site. The swelling, redness, warmth, and itchiness lasted for 3-4 days and finally abated after taking Benadryl around the clock.

Then I developed a Severe allergic reaction to unknown substance on 04/28/21. After seeing doctor it was determined I had a new allergy to peanut butter. At the same time I developed Painful swollen spongy Fingers joints. ANA, Rheumatoid factor, Sed rate was negative/normal. C-Reactive protein elevated.

Then On May 4, 2021 I developed Pain, Bloating, Vomiting after Breakfast. It felt like a bowel Obstruction (I have a history of a partial small bowel obstruction due to surgical adhesions. This cleared up after 4 days NPO.

Then on 05/13/21 I developed Pain and severe swelling to both Wrists and Stomach & URQ Soreness. I saw a hand surgeon who said it was a “gout like” inflammation and he treated me with steroids. It cleared up.

Now I’m going back to the hand surgeon today June 8, 2021 for severe pain and swelling in both arms radiating to forearms. I have an appointment for the rheumatologist in July.

I’m an advocate of vaccines, however I believe that the Moderna vaccine has sent my immune system into overdrive and it has triggered a cascade of side effects. I’m allergic to all NSAIDS, so other than ice, I have not been able to take anything for the pain. I just want to be out of pain and get my range of motion back in my arms. I hope these side effects eventually go away. I will be completing a VAERS report.

There needs to be greater transparency of the post clinical trial side effects of the COVID vaccines.
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A B
1 day ago

I received my first Pfizer injection in March 2021. I have been delaying the second as I did have an immune response (low grade temp, headache, fatigue, sore arm) but I also had generalized muscle fasiculations (twitching) of the opposite side of my body (face arms, legs and even abdomen) as well as vivid dreams the night following the vax and myoclonus like jerks that would wake me from sleep with some cramping. I have anxiety at baseline though did have labs and an EMG all unremarkable. Prior to the vaccine I have only ever had muscle twitching following intense exercise with possibly poor hydration. The twitches lasted for about a week- 1.5 wks. My partner had twitching of the injected arm starting 1 week post Pfizer and lasting for total duration of 1 week. My primary physician cannot give much guidance as to the second vaccination. This really isn't something being openly discussed.
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Dr. Liz Liz
2 days ago

It seems the HUSH on this is devastating. May we learn from our past, and avoid prolonging or repeating these kinds of errors.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/vacci ... rous-toxin
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A B
2 days ago

I had a first dose of Moderna vaccine in mid-January and after 2 days, my lymph node in the armpit was swollen and painful for 8 days or so. It went away but after 2 days of that, I started feeling some swelling on left side of my chest/breast area. I have been dealing with this since then. 5 months have passed but no solution. So far the diagnosis is that it is some sort of edema/lymphedema because my lymph node got damaged or primary lymphedema triggered. This is pretty weird and some swelling is also visible. I am a male in my forties. I have not found any other person or website where such symptom is discussed. Does anyone has similar symptom and any suggestion for treatment?
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Laura Leffel
22 hours ago

@A B I work in home health. We have a patient who had swelling in the side of her face, neck and upper arm on the side she got the vaccine as well as pain and debilitating weakness which even extended to the leg. She has been getting Physical and Occupational Therapy.
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Jen Dieckhaus
2 days ago

I am so happy to find this website. It is scarey to me that there are so few sites about the aftermath of the vaccine. They only have a few "immediate reaction" (arm swelling) sites. I have an autoimmune disorder and was taking cosentyx (6 mo) when I received my first Pfizer vaccine in Feb. I had no immediate reaction but since then I have debilitating fatigue and the worst brain fog ever. I have stopped the cosentyx because this is so scarey. There is not a day my mind feels sharp or I can make it 8 hrs without exhaustion. I have stopped working at my job of 27 years in the medical field because I cant trust my decision making. I do get numbness in my hands and legs now. I get very cold alot for no reason. I have been to the MD all with all normal blood tests so no one seems concerned. I pray every night to wake up the person I was a year ago.
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Laura Leffel
22 hours ago

@Jen Dieckhaus I have an autoimmune disease and that's why I wouldn't get the vaccine. I pray that you will recover.
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Dr. cassandra balomiri
5 days ago

I'm asking myself when this all have an end? Two weeks after Astra Zeneca i woke up with dizziness...it was rather oscillopsia, permanently as i moved. Then one week later i developed paresthesia...first the right part of my face, then alway a different pattern, i just woke up in the morning with both arms tingling/ 2 arms and a leg/ just a leg or an arm/ just a few fingers...for a short period of time ( like 2 days) i also had visual problems...then just weird feelings in my limbs, like some sort of mild numbness, always alterning the link and right side of the body...i just could not belive it...not to mention that my heart rate was about 120/min like weeks ( i admit it could have been caused by all that anxiety which come after i developed those neurologic issues).

I have been to ORL, Neurologist, Cardiologist, Eye MD... had a lot of blood samples ( looking for causes for paresthesia), MRI Head and Neck, nerve conduction study ( thought could be MS)...all clear ( just some vit D deficiency)...after a few weeks ( 6-8) it started getting better, now the dizziness is gone, i wake up sometimes with 2-3 fingers tingling....but i started developing muscle twitches...just horribe...i twitch in different parts of the body, mostly back, shoulders and legs...been twitching for 4 weeks now...I took an emg, everything normal. The Paul Ehrlich Institute was informed ( Germany). I'm not against vaccines but this was the most horrible experience of my life...and is not over yet...i hope twitches won't last too much....
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Mark Wilson
4 days ago

I've had some similar symptoms following my 1st AZ vaccine on 13 April. I had the usual side effects the day after then a week or two later I started getting regular Raynauds attacks 2-3 times a day (I have had these previously but only once every week or two.

About 3 weeks after my vaccine, I started getting severe tremor on standing (after being seated at my desk for 2-3 hours), which felt like a full-on panic attack. A couple of days later I had a mild palsy in the left of my face and then started getting continous twitching/fasciculations in all my leg muscles, particularly obvious in the calfs. This spread to my arms but only to a very low degree.

Over the course of the next week, the severe tremors stopped, although I do get a tightness (like a feeling of anticipation) at times, the tremors are still continuing 24/7 although to a lesser degree.

I've had a couple of days of severe sweating of my feet, one day of continuous paresthesia in the soles of both feet, occasional oscillopsia, muscle weakness, high blood pressure

As of today, almost 7 weeks post vaccine, I've still got a continuous low level of muscle twitching, muscle weakness (struggling to run 5k when I'm used to running 90-100k a week) and some very slight oscillopsia - I don't feel dizzy, but I don't feel quite balanced and eyesight focus is a fraction too slow.

Hopefully if AZ gets enough reports, they'll start to look into it, although it took a while and a fair bit of external pressure before the rare clotting was accepted. I've reported my symptoms in the UK and awaiting a referral from my own GP to a neurologist, although given what others are saying, they're unlikely to find anything obviously wrong.

I have seen speculation (and this is not my area of expertise) that the spike protein in the vaccine may on rare occasions cause adverse reactions in the ACE2 receptors in the endolithial cells in the blood vessels. I think it's been established that the actual COVID virus spikes does this which causes the wide range of cardiopulmonary problems. Have to wait and see
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jenn gerrity
5 days ago

i received my first dose of moderna on April 23rd, second on May 21st. The first shot my arm blew up and I had muscle soreness for about three days. My fatigue was very strong to the point where I wasn’t able to physically concentrate for two days following. On day three of the first shot as I was trying to go to bed I started convulsing and having muscle spasms. This went on for about an hour to the point where I couldn’t even get up to walk around or leave my bed in general. When I was finally able to get up and look at myself I had noticed that my face was completely white to the point that I thought I was going to faint or pass out. My anxiety in between the first and second shot was very extreme to the point that I wasn’t able to concentrate and I gave myself multiple panic attacks. My second shot was just about the same as the first. The second shot I also had extreme fatigue to the point where I slept continuously for two days straight. Again on day three I had the muscle spasms but they only lasted about a half an hour compared to one hour like the first one. Following that for another two days I had an excruciating headache that lasted me all day, that not even Tylenol, sleeping long periods of time, resting or drinking water could help. After day five I was fine, so far I am good but still concerned and questioning my long-term side effects
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[The Bernician]

I've continued to follow this thread (on and off) with interest, but don't really want to duplicate. I see also that I have written a couple of draft posts that didn't quite feel right, which is maybe because I've been wrestling with a feeling of how to be in all this. It's alienating, feeling like I have to self-censor around people I could previously reliably share thoughts with - mercifully, though, not everyone. Anyhow, I think in broad terms I seem to be largely on the same page and following many of the same thought processes as Belligerent Savant, so I think that shorthand can serve to contextualise a few thoughts I've been having.

I am fascinated by the absurdity I am seeing in everyday life (and - as above - a little alienated when I realise how few seem to see it). I am going maskless as much as possible (of which more in a moment), but I am perennially amused by my sock mask (acquired for a(quasi-legally) visiting friend in the winter from Lidl, and literally a sock with handles, from a sock company), and how I technically am supposed to wear it for the few seconds it takes to walk from the entrance to a restaurant/pub to a table. That anyone does this reverently and without trace of irony blows my mind a little. (And alienates me.)

In the UK, masking outdoors is a rarity, and usually comes with anxious eyes. Indoors, it's widespread, but one can self-declare as exempt. So, I've decided, I'm exempt. I've gone through phases. When those around me are anxious and/or threatening, I have - and I guess will in future - worn a mask, out of consideration and fear respectively. But that's the exception, and on the question of how to be, I think I've felt a two-fold obligation to go out of my way to be friendly to people. First, because as someone who is not anxious in health terms, I feel an obligation to share some of that positive energy. Second, I think it's important to demonstrate that people can reject the prevailing narrative not because they're selfish arseholes, but at least in part for the exact opposite reason. (Of course, maybe I'm just a selfish arsehole.) Anyway, this is obviously a positive for me, and in day to day life, I feel it continues to beget positive energy, in a virtuous circle.

There's a duality to life, though: outside of the everyday, I'm really very worried. The forthcoming Euro 2020 football tournament (I think they kept the old name for merchandising reasons, rather than to fuck with us a little, but who can say?) is going to see domestic vaccine passports debuted. In a weird BBC article on the topic, it seems to be implied that UEFA (the European football association) mandated this, but it isn't explicitly claimed, because that's clearly absurd. As ever, the BBC avoids outright lies wherever possible. Blair is doing a new round of advocating for them on behalf of his masters. Our government continues to give us hope one moment (a leak ruled them out last week), and to take it away the next. And so with lockdown removal, officially still expected on midsummer's day (these people do love a bit of astrological symbolism).

Back to everyday life. I live on the border of two black-plurality wards (with a 50/50 Caribbean/African split within that). Today, workers from the council were door-knocking and leafleting to promote vaccination. Surely, I think, this is textbook racism: the black man needs the gentle, well-intentioned guidance of the white man's authority to help him make a rational decision. And it further confirms that the push to vaccinate is - well - what is it? Evangelical? Over-zealous? Maniacal? Absurd? Sinister? What it is not, apparently, is rational, so it leaves only collective-hysterical or conspiratorial explanations. Every time a potential graceful exit is rejected, the scales tip towards the latter. And within that explanation, we have explanations of vaccine-primacy or vaccine-passport primacy. I tend towards the latter, perhaps because it better fits a known direction of travel, requires fewer moving parts, and is marginally less utterly evil. But, who knows? Maybe it's just banal corporate capture of government levers, and it's the pharmaceutical companies who are driving vaccination? For it to be only an acceleration of corrupt, inequality-creating, rentier-leaning capitalism would qualify as a relief, I think. I glance back at this paragraph and realise that the personal and the political are not so easy to separate - for me, at least; if it's the case for everyone, then that is hopeful, I suppose.

I continue to be fascinated by the difficulty that I find in satirising any of this. I don't know what the etiquette is here on self-publicising. In any case, I attach a link to a blog - https://witherdemocracy.blogspot.com - that no-one reads (and just about no-one writes), so could as well be pasted here. But I guess this avoids too lengthy a post, anyhow. I think maybe because the founder of this board is, or has been, a self-described satirist, I feel maybe it's worth raising here.

[Belligerent Savant]

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Appreciate your perspective, Bernician. Of course, your sentiments resonate with me. This bit in particular:

am fascinated by the absurdity I am seeing in everyday life (and - as above - a little alienated when I realise how few seem to see it). I am going maskless as much as possible (of which more in a moment), but I am perennially amused by my sock mask (acquired for a(quasi-legally) visiting friend in the winter from Lidl, and literally a sock with handles, from a sock company), and how I technically am supposed to wear it for the few seconds it takes to walk from the entrance to a restaurant/pub to a table. That anyone does this reverently and without trace of irony blows my mind a little. (And alienates me.)

Yes. A real-life absurdist satire. As encapsulated in this exchange:

@gnocchiwizard
there was this old story vonnegut told about i think abbie hoffman where he knew the feds were spying on him so he made everyone around him talk a lot about how great a high you could get by shoving banana peels up your ass and the idea was to see if they could get feds to do it.

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@gnocchiwizard
Charming, if true. And yet, we observe how the tables have been turned years later: the 'entities' condition the gullible masses to place pieces of cloth on their faces as some absurd talisman to ward off illness, despite evidence and logic to the contrary. A nation of lemmings.

@gnocchiwizard
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yeah i was thinking here about the double-mask gambit which really did feel like a pure test of compliance

@ApertaAria
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In a sane world the past year would be full-on absurdist satire, though what we've witnessed has pushed the outer boundaries of even a Monty Python script. And still it continues! I shuffle between fits of rage and laughter, when not simply disgruntled.

https://twitter.com/gnocchiwizard/statu ... 40772?s=20

This piece is also quite fitting here:

The strange theatre of mask-wearing

Written by
Lionel Shriver
The Spectator
22 May 2021



However surreal and dystopian the pandemic landscape seemed at first, no enduring vista feels ‘surreal’ and ‘dystopian’ indefinitely. Citizenries uniformly obliterating their faces with ear-to-ear muzzles has come to seem par for the course. But I’m still amazed by how eagerly a certain segment has embraced masking in public, especially in the US. More perplexingly still, many of these people regard any release from mask mandates as an attempt to take something precious away from them. They recall a certain kind of belligerent animal that gets trapped in a cage, and when you open the door it glooms in a corner and refuses to leave.

Witness the response last week when America’s Centers for Disease Control announced that there’s no need for fully vaccinated individuals to wear masks, other than in a handful of circumstances (e.g. on planes and public transport, where frankly there’s no scientific justification for the vaccinated to mask up, either). Twitter exploded in outrage. How dare you allow us to go shopping without snot continuously drooling from our noses that we can’t even wipe away! We love running and cycling in a state of oxygen deprivation! Are you seriously proposing we go back to interacting with fellow human beings as if they’re anything other than repulsive bipedal pustules that weep disease?

I realise this risks the long arm of Big Tech reaching through my study window to clutch my throat, but: the case for masks making a better than negligible difference to the spread of Covid-19 has always been crap. From extremely weak data, even Sage quotes their prevention value at a miserable 6 to 15 per cent. Mask mandates were initially justified by fairytale computer modelling. But we now have hard evidence in the real world, where there’s been no clear correlation between masking and infection rates, hospitalisations or Covid deaths. In country after country and state after American state, graphs of all these metrics vividly demonstrate that the introduction of mask mandates has had no effect. After these laws are passed, those graph lines don’t ripple, notch or slump. The only slight correlation, which I’m willing to dismiss as a fluke? Masked populations have worse Covid results. A study of demographically comparable groups in super-compliant Denmark also found no significant difference in Covid metrics between those who were told to wear masks and those who weren’t. The whole masking theatre amounts to pointless, gesturing obeisance.

The inefficacy of masks seems counter-intuitive only if you still imagine erroneously that Covid is only spread by larger droplets. We now know it primarily spreads by aerosols — the fine, invisible spray of moisture that’s released not only when we talk or cough but every time we breathe. To demonstrate the level of protection your mask provides, take a drag from a friend’s e-cigarette, put on the mask and exhale. The vapour escapes from the sides and clouds around your head. There go your aerosols. The air you inhale derives from the gaps around the mask as well. Besides, the virus is so small that it can sail through the pores of a mask like a Mini careering through the Rotherhithe Tunnel.

Yet the case for going bare-faced is overwhelming for the inoculated. According to the CDC, vaccines are holding up robustly against variants, and full vaccination reduces transmission and infection to practically zero. You’re not dangerous to others, and they’re not dangerous to you.

Good news, you’d think. Yet disgruntled CNN presenters scowled even at the Covid high priest, Anthony Fauci. The network’s other guests grumbled that lifting mandates for the vaccinated was too soon, confusing and irresponsible. The New York Times quotes multiple Americans for whom the CDC announcement has only increased anxiety: ‘It’s just so normal now that I feel weird walking places without a mask.’ ‘I wasn’t ready; I have to learn to deal with this.’ One interviewee has been double-masking and wearing goggles for 14 months — a get-up that didn’t keep him from catching Covid in November. Yet he’s vowed to carry on with the gear for at least the next five years.

What explains this perverse attachment to self-smothering? In the US, masks are a badge of tribal allegiance — Biden/Harris T-shirts that you tie around your face. They confer virtue and dedication to communitarian suffering. They create the illusion of control (‘I can’t get sick! I’m wearing a MASK!’). They provide the happy opportunity to denounce the recalcitrant and to force the begrudging to do something they dislike. Having socially withdrawn during this period of isolation, some mask-lovers don’t want a return to face-to-face encounters, which have come to seem frightening. These hermit crabs treasure not being seen. They’re used to hiding, and they want to keep hiding.

Ubiquitous masking also perpetuates the atmosphere of emergency to which some people have grown addicted. ‘Look, we live in a special, perilous time, and we obey strict protocols with heightened moral urgency.’ The prospect of relinquishing this exhilarating sense of the exceptional could seem deflating.

It’s a cliché now that masks have become a religious symbol. The very poverty of the scientific evidence for their efficacy may help explain the fervidness of their adoption. Masking is not a matter of knowledge but faith — or superstition. One masks to ward off evil. Post-pandemic, a goodly number of folks will still cling to their polypropylene nosebags like rabbits’ feet.

But masking while fully vaccinated entails a baffling contradiction, one that the British government has sometimes seemed to echo. We’re simultaneously to believe: 1) everyone must get vaccinated; 2) vaccines don’t work. Wrap your head round that. Because if your vaccination overwhelmingly prevents both transmission and disease (meaning it works), even unvaccinated people present no danger to you. So you don’t socially distance. You go to restaurants. You see your friends. And you don’t wear a mask. Yet, bizarrely, in surveys vaccinated Americans express far less willingness than the unvaccinated to resume once-normal activities like hopping on a bus, often by a factor of two. Calling that ‘cognitive dissonance’ may be too generous. Let’s go for ‘state-induced mass hysteria’ instead.

With respect to that last bolded bit (Re: state-induced mass hysteria), I will again quote from the above-referenced twitter handle, as he echoes my thoughts:

...the explanation is actually quite simple: the more life becomes a quest to avoid risk, the more frightening trivial risks will be. One does not overcome fears by bowing to them until they go away, that's how psychological disorders form.
...this ride only goes in one direction. you have to make an intellectual choice to get off the ride. it will be less frightening AFTER you make this decision. and the longer you wait, the harder it's going to be.

Article link:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the ... sk-wearing

[Belligerent Savant]

These charts further underscore the premise that drops in COVID "cases" are due in large part to seasonal/endemic patterns rather than vaccine efficacy (at least as a primary factor).




And:

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@Humble_Analysis

This could indicate we are headed for a reckoning in the West.

If case rates rise mid-Summer, and again in late Fall, the press will be swift to condemn the unvaccinated and call for reimposing NPI's, even if the real problem lies in our accounting and definitions.

https://twitter.com/Humble_Analysis/sta ... 48419?s=20