Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

[stickdog99]

Well, if you don't have anything to hide (you know, like a functioning, questioning brain), what do you have to worry about?

[stickdog99]

https://tnc.news/2021/06/17/derek-sloan ... d-doctors/

MP Derek Sloan hosts press conference with censored Canadian doctors

Independent MP Derek Sloan held a press conference on Thursday to sound the alarm about an increasing number of doctors who say they are being silenced and reprimanded for speaking out against the prevailing public health narrative in Canada.

Appearing alongside Sloan were Dr. Byram W. Bridle, who is a viral immunologist and University of Guelph associate professor, Dr. Patrick Phillips of Englehart and District Hospital, and Western University physiology and pharmacology professor Dr. Donald Welsh.



Sloan said numerous health professionals have reached out to him after he put out a call for whistleblowers in the scientific and medical communities.

“At times, the information they’ve provided has been shocking. However, the single uniting factor was that none of their stories were being told either here in parliament or international media,” said Sloan.

Sloan spoke of an unnamed nurse, from his riding of Hastings—Lennox and Addington in Ontario, who claimed that taking in new patients from Toronto hotspots “artificially raised” the numbers of COVID-19 patients in the local community.

“It made it look like locally we had a lot more active cases than we truly had. This type of fear-mongering in media reports has been a major issue of concern throughout this pandemic,” said Sloan.



Sloan also recounted a story from a 30-year-old woman from Winnipeg who claims she pressed to take the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine and was never informed of its risks.

Bridle recounted how a short radio interview on the ties between vaccination and heart inflammation led to a spate of attacks from his colleagues.

“I did this interview five minutes again trying to present to a lay audience, it was like a nuclear bomb went off in my world and my life was thrown upside down,” said Bridle.

“There’s colleagues of mine who have been harassing me both on social media and in the workplace.”

Bridle said some of the backlash came from members of Ontario’s COVID-10 Science Advisory Committee.

The committee did not respond to a request for comment from True North.

Dr. Phillips, family and emergency physician, said it was a growing number of suicidal children, among other notable harms, that prompted him to speak out.

Phillips also pointed to threats from the regulatory colleague when doctors point to peer-reviewed studies showing the effectiveness of treatments like Vitamin D and Ivermectin against COVID-19.

Western University’s Welsh echoed his colleagues’ views, saying that the decisions by public health authorities have not been rooted in science and simply haven’t worked.

“I want to be clear, science has not been functioning properly for the last 15 months as we address COVID-19. Our public health community has proclaimed to know science and to provide unassailable solutions,” said Walsh.

“It is time for all in Canada to engage in critical thinking…. We need deep engagement, we need thoughtful debate and to turn this public health response around.”

[Joe Hillshoist]

^^^^
Great analogy. I'm perplexed why this still needs to be spelled out/articulated here. Why are there continued attempts to justify clear and egregious overreach?

Who is doing that?

[Joe Hillshoist]

I'm definitely being tracked and all my digital activity is recorded, but they can't use it because it hasn't been normalized. I use a vpn for sensitive traffic and don't take my phone everywhere because i don't have to yet. I'm aware the current state of privacy is mostly psychological, like wearing clothes. But the greatest protection from the State using this against society is that people aren't ready to walk around naked.

I'm against digital Id cards because they normalise State regulation of free movement. Sure, they can monitor me, but I want them to do to it secretly, like a little dirty voyeur who fears the shame of being outed as a pervert should their filthy fetish ever be revealed. Basically, i have a 'look but not touch' policy like most strippers. And i currently feel that filthy hand running up my thigh, so i'm going to slap that shit away so they know their boundaries.

Yeah nice analogy.

As an aside...

Did you see what happened with Anom and "Operation Ironside"?

Do you reckon all those guys had VPNs?

Look everything you do online can be used against you as can your phones location data. Have you seen the state of the laws in this country these days?

[drstrangelove]

Those guys were using a honey pot and were high level criminals. I just use a VPN outside of five eyes jurisdiction and am not a criminal, yet.

[Grizzly]

Pierre Kory & Bret Weinstein Why is this treatment being suppressed?

GONE.

Dr. Robert Malone is the inventor of mRNA Vaccine technology.
Mr. Steve Kirsch is a serial entrepreneur who has been researching adverse reactions to COVID vaccines.
Dr. Bret Weinstein is an evolutionary biologist.
Bret talks to Robert and Steve about the pandemic, treatment and the COVID vaccines.

Gone...

Hope you like the info war, cause your soaking in it.

MP Derek Sloan next!??

[drstrangelove]

Social media now caters exclusively to the metropolitan professional classes. It's become a pedestal for them to dutch rudder paper of record Op Eds they regurgitated on the dinner party circuit back in the analog days. But the fart smelling has gone online and they don't like the smell of uninformed opinion. Exposure to the outside world had made them mad. So the outside world is being blocked off, just like it was in the newspapers. Let them live in their information bubbles. They're always behind the curve, trying to keep up with wherever grassroots communication moves. They are chasing puff the magic dragon. Let them have facebook, twitter, reddit, and youtube. It's all corporate media now and should rightly belong to them. People need to move on. The writing needs to be on the wall. Like on the actual wall of private property in public spaces. In little messages scrawled on public toilet stalls. reality is always leaking for those who think it can be controlled.

[The Bernician]

When did living life become a purely social thing? It's been the big topic in nine-tenths of the NYTimes for the last six months, "everyone is chomping at the bit, can't wait to get back to living life." I guess that I missed the memo. Because I've been living it the whole time. Really living it, too.

Makes me wonder what actual living looks like to society. My life must look like death, or at least doesn't qualify as living. Which is funny, because it is pretty much how society looks to me.

Of course I don't say that out loud to society. I'm a nice person. But society has no problem saying it out loud, having no idea what it sounds like to actual, living people like me. I mean what kind of life is that, where if your routine is thrown off, you feel like you're not alive? How is that living?

Anyway, I know this is off topic, since I'm saying it, it must be. Just ranting, spinning letters into the digital void.

But none of us live in 'society'. We all live in our own worlds, within our own society we have co-created. 'Society' is just some sort of average. I would imagine that the readership/writership (not a word) of this message board is further away from that average than, erm, average. And most of us are, as ever, living our lives as fully as we are able, with a combination of material and psychological barriers creating a gap between our reality and our ideal. Or, to put it another way, I for one am interested in what you have to say and the oblique angles you sometimes take, but I consider your self-image of 'difference' to be likely an exaggeration (as self-images tend to be).

My take is that some of us are more socially-dependent than others, and some of us have been more socially-limited by all this (again, due to the extent to which material or psychological barriers have been increasing, or not) than others. Somewhere in that is an equation that tells us how impactful the pandemic crisis* has been on us.

*I'm trying this new term out, as a form of triangulation - acknowledging that the pandemic (however created) is involved in this, but that it is a crisis and not just a pandemic - and this leaves open the space for one to make one's own judgement as to how much is crisis and how much is pandemic

[The Bernician]

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For one, the 'vaccine' is killing young people, or making them ill, and likely causing long-term issues, at a far greater clip than this virus.

There is also zero awareness of the impact of these experimental, unprecedented shots on the body 12+ months post-vaccination.

"Long Covid" has not been shown to be any different than the lingering symptoms tied to ANY illness. Nothing unique there. I've seen no reports of this becoming a prevailing or common issue - if indeed it exists.
Plenty of fear-inducing and misleading content -- par for the course -- but minimal substance.

Lastly, why the F would anyone agree to take a shot that would mimic the health issues of what one believes the disease may cause? Why not just avoid it altogether?

Once more, the virus has an IFR of less than 0.2, on par with influenza; many that catch it suffer mild or moderate flu-like symptoms, and an even greater percentage have no symptoms at all.

From what we've seen so far Re: adverse reactions to these shots, i'll take whatever this covid virus brings to the table every time over any shot. Not to mention the natural -- and legitimate -- immunity inherited after catching the virus vs 'lessened symptoms' that these shots report to offer.

I agree (of course) that this is fear-inducing, in part because 'long covid' reaches the parts that other fears can't reach - i.e. the parts where basically no-one dies from covid (children notably). But I also have two pieces of anecdata that suggest it does exist. One is second-hand (but I think 95% believable), and the other I am virtually certain about. In the latter case, it lasted for a few months and consisted of extreme fatigue, and then, within a week, pretty suddenly disappeared. Make of that what you will; it could still very easily be a fairly standard post-viral fatigue, possibly with an increased risk given that there are many with no prior immunity at all (we think).

[The Bernician]

I'm definitely being tracked and all my digital activity is recorded, but they can't use it because it hasn't been normalized. I use a vpn for sensitive traffic and don't take my phone everywhere because i don't have to yet. I'm aware the current state of privacy is mostly psychological, like wearing clothes. But the greatest protection from the State using this against society is that people aren't ready to walk around naked.

I'm against digital Id cards because they normalise State regulation of free movement. Sure, they can monitor me, but I want them to do to it secretly, like a little dirty voyeur who fears the shame of being outed as a pervert should their filthy fetish ever be revealed. Basically, i have a 'look but not touch' policy like most strippers. And i currently feel that filthy hand running up my thigh, so i'm going to slap that shit away so they know their boundaries.

Fair analogy. I feel like things have taken a step-change for the worse this last week or so. Events for the vaccinated only. Concrete action (here in the UK, for the first time) of employers - both state and private - to make vaccination compulsory. (I can't see how this is not contrary to human rights law - which I think has power above that of our unfettered Parliament, itself controlled by a largely-unfettered Executive only through the European Court of Human Rights, which I wouldn't put it beyond our government simply to ignore. Or perhaps they declare some sort of emergency exemption, which really captures the meaning of inalienable rights, obviously.) The Health Secretary openly speculating in Parliament about denying healthcare to the unvaccinated, with not even a murmur of objection raised in response. It's not dark yet, but it's getting there.

Among this all, I think I see one really important piece of evidence on motivation. It is here, in the Daily Mail: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-9685661/Wimbledon-finals-staged-capacity-crowd-despite-Freedom-Day-delayed.html. Superficially, it's just an extension of what I've previously mentioned: vax passport 'trials' - in this case adding Wimbledon for the upper middle classes to the Euros for the masses. But there's a fascinating detail: it appears you can, instead of being vaccinated, self-report home lateral-flow tests via the app (with 'spot checks' at the venues to see if anyone tests positive there and then). This seems very significant to me, because you don't need to be vaccinated (indeed, you don't really even need to test yourself given it's self-reported), but you do need to get the app. In the short-term, then, this serves as a data-harvesting measure, and not a vax enforcement measure. Does that suggest that it's the data that is more important to our government than the vaccination?

That said, of course, other explanations are available, including that this is a stepping stone, and the facility for the unvaccinated disappears soon enough, or that, with the numbers of unvaccinated so small, this will be a punitive measure for any who sign up: the 'spot checks' could be unavoidable, public, and brutal. (I discount any public health motivation, but if anyone can argue that that's the rationale, I'd be interested to engage with that.)

[drstrangelove]

Among this all, I think I see one really important piece of evidence on motivation. It is here, in the Daily Mail: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-9685661/Wimbledon-finals-staged-capacity-crowd-despite-Freedom-Day-delayed.html. Superficially, it's just an extension of what I've previously mentioned: vax passport 'trials' - in this case adding Wimbledon for the upper middle classes to the Euros for the masses. But there's a fascinating detail: it appears you can, instead of being vaccinated, self-report home lateral-flow tests via the app (with 'spot checks' at the venues to see if anyone tests positive there and then). This seems very significant to me, because you don't need to be vaccinated (indeed, you don't really even need to test yourself given it's self-reported), but you do need to get the app. In the short-term, then, this serves as a data-harvesting measure, and not a vax enforcement measure. Does that suggest that it's the data that is more important to our government than the vaccination?

I actually have a theory on this. I'll just quote what I've written on it else where.

In a world driven by Deep-Learning algorithms data becomes its greatest resource. The quantity and quality of data fed into an algorithm determines the speed and accuracy at which it learns, determining the efficiencies derived from the use of AI technology. Data is the economic fuel of the modern era, not oil.

If Nations are in midst of an AI race, then what they are really in is a race to collect data. If you look at this race as beyond nations and between civilisations, it becomes clear to see that the West is at a severe disadvantage to the East. This is because the characteristics of Western Civilisation are at odds with the authoritarian nature of data collection.

The quantity and quality of data collected on people is determined by the quantity and quality of their surveillance. Societies acclimatised to being surveilled produce a higher quantity and quality of data than those concerned with privacy. This also impacts the adoption rate of new technology.

The West is well aware that if their societies do not catch up and keep up in data collection they will see their power wane out of balance to the East's. US report outlining this fear in depth as one of national security ---> https://epic.org/foia/epic-v-ai-commiss ... on-pt9.pdf

In the 1980s Western capital poured into China and developed an economic system referred to as ‘Capitalism with Chinese characteristics’. In the 1990s the West did exactly the same thing with Russia. This brought the East economically on par with the rest of the world and more into balance of power with the West. To achieve this Eastern societies were forced to drastically and rapidly reorganise their societies along Western economic lines.

Due to the surveillance state mandate of AI driven technology, it appears to be the Wests turn to rapidly and drastically reorganise their societies along more authoritative lines to bring them on par with the Easts.

Luckily for the West the pandemic has provided not only the perfect necessity, but a mandate backed by a fundamental tenet of Western ideology—scientific rationalism, to rapidly and drastically reorganise itself into what could be called—Authoritarianism with Western characteristics.

The measures used to fight against this pandemic all produce greater quantities of higher quality data from Western populations:

Covid Testing – Tests collect data which populate dna databases for genome sequencing.
Lockdowns – Restricting the freedom of movement reduces kinetic activity that cannot be monitored and increases digital activity which is monitored.
Contact Tracing – Normalises the collection of kinetic activity through digitally signing into the real world environment through QR codes and installing applications on phones for the express purpose of tracking movements.
Deterrent against Cash – Less cash means more digitally recorded transactions.
Vaccines – Vaccine passports, which are coming though how they will operate is speculative.
Masks – teaches facial recognition algorithms to identify faces with obfuscations.

The motivations behind the policies governing covid19 responses are driven by two things:

Minimising the spread of virus
Maximising the collection of data

Since the second cannot be openly acknowledged, a problem begins to arise when a policy measure is designed to maximise data more than minimise virus. Such policy eventually becomes exposed and health officials are forced to defend measures designed to collect data. These health officials lose credibility as the nature of their job becomes that of a politician. One forced to navigate untenable positions through distortions of reality.

Now think about this.

If maximising data collection has become an imperative of national security, and the policy for collecting this data is literally the same policy for minimising virus, then it becomes a national security imperative for there to be virus to minimise for the collection of data. . .

[Belligerent Savant]

^^^^^^^^

Excellent take, except for the part about the interest in 'minimizing the spread' of the virus. There is no earnest interest in this (other than the optics of it), and it remains an open debate the extent this virus is truly as prevalent (it's certainly not as lethal) as claimed in the media/govt given the manipulation of data/stats from the onset.

One key consideration: the less 'lethal' this virus actually is, the better optics/data/sentiment can be managed and controlled.

[drstrangelove]

Yeah, depends on the country. Where I live we have hardly any virus due to lockdown policy. So the virus really has been minimized and data collection maximized. Though Australia is a unique case.

[Belligerent Savant]

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So lockdown forever for Australia, then, eh?

[The Bernician]

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So lockdown forever for Australia, then, eh?

Or you could replace this with various mechanisms of surveillance - contact tracing, endless testing, vaccine boosters and vaccine passport updates, etc. It's potentially a bit more convincing than in places like the UK where seemingly the virus became endemic of its own accord.