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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby drstrangelove » Sun Jul 04, 2021 9:00 pm

Elvis » Sun Jul 04, 2021 7:25 pm wrote:
drstrangelove » Thu Jul 01, 2021 10:34 pm wrote:Society always wins out over institutions in the end.


Isn't society defined by its institutions?

Yes and no. Institutions start as organisations of people working together to serve a societal purpose. Over time they become institutionalised and began to serve their vested interests. There's a general theory in the evolution of civilisations, which i subscribe to, that the rise and fall of societies is the process of groups serving them becoming institutionalised. It makes a distinction between instruments of society, as in groups created to serve societal needs, and those groups gaining power and becoming vested interests working against society as institutions. So nothing starts out as an institutions, or very rarely so.

So a failing society is defined by it institutions. This leads to conflict and generally the creation of new organisations which replace the former institutions. These new organisations eventually become institutionalised though, and the cycle repeats. The institutions of financial capitalism are currently trying to 'reinvent' themselves into 'new organisations' through a 'great reset' to get around this natural law.

It won't work though, because all things growing only grow towards their death.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby drstrangelove » Mon Jul 05, 2021 1:04 am

What these institutions really want is stasis, which is order. Change, which is chaos, is the reason they always fail. Ultimately the goal of the most powerful institution in the world is to confirm the environment to a uniform state so that the society abstracted from that environment changes less and less. This is more commonly known as totalitarian, or the uniform state. The state of stasis. This is why all our education is becoming frameworks. Why the process of dialectics splits ideology into two, synthesizes these into one, which then splits in two, synthesizes into one, and so on, until eventually the one is stasis. You could call this purity. A pure state, the underlying belief in eugenics.

Once stasis is reached there is no change, only a constant state of cultural purity. Whichever institution is in power when this constant state is reached, will remain in power. This is what Hitler was really after with the 1000 year reich. This is what the financial oligarchs are attempting with a gradualism hard to notice generation to generation.

Most people mistake a declining society for a bad thing. But if you take a step back what it really is' is symptomatic of an institution falling apart and lashing out. It will cause great pain and suffering, taking much down with it, but make no mistake it is dying and its decomposition will fertilize a new type of growth that serves society, at least for a while.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Tue Jul 06, 2021 10:37 am

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Bots and sockpuppets all the way down.

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Karmamatterz » Tue Jul 06, 2021 1:48 pm

Without even going into any marketing garbage STILL being supported here by shills, it's a really damn stupid idea to have any pregnant woman take a vaccine. I'll assume a few of you don't have children and or weren't around for when your baby momma was pregnant. Any responsible parents to be almost always go way out of their way to avoid anything that is risky. Sure as hell these vaccines are not proven to be safe and the current recipients are all members of a test study. There is very little history in any studies with any of these vaccines. Why the insistence on a continued effort to defend big pharma? Is the brainwashing really that bad even after engaging for months on here and seeing piles of information?

Extremely foolish to take a vaccine, let alone an experimental one, when pregnant.

When will the big pharma shills stop with this nonsense?
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby DrEvil » Tue Jul 06, 2021 5:45 pm

Karmamatterz » Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:48 pm wrote:Without even going into any marketing garbage STILL being supported here by shills, it's a really damn stupid idea to have any pregnant woman take a vaccine. I'll assume a few of you don't have children and or weren't around for when your baby momma was pregnant. Any responsible parents to be almost always go way out of their way to avoid anything that is risky. Sure as hell these vaccines are not proven to be safe and the current recipients are all members of a test study. There is very little history in any studies with any of these vaccines. Why the insistence on a continued effort to defend big pharma? Is the brainwashing really that bad even after engaging for months on here and seeing piles of information?

Extremely foolish to take a vaccine, let alone an experimental one, when pregnant.

When will the big pharma shills stop with this nonsense?


Your resident shill here.

I was pointing out that the asshats who wrote the article Stickdog posted were lying about what the study said. I'm gonna take a wild guess and say that you're not a fan of liars, so why aren't you upset at the people who wrote that garbage? Disinfo is disinfo, no matter the source, right?
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby stickdog99 » Tue Jul 06, 2021 10:30 pm

https://www.biznews.com/health/2021/06/ ... e-immunity

Natural immunity vs Covid-19 vaccine-induced immunity – Marc Girardot of PANDA

Covid-19 brought about an age of misinformation like never before. With this, the responsibility of journalists to provide informed, well-researched and objective news to the public has never been of more paramount importance. This article by Marc Girardot, a member of PANDA, is loaded with hyperlinks – each of which provide the source of those facts asserted in the article. The links and pictures are an integral part of this article, which takes a deep dive into the issue of natural immunity and Covid-19 vaccination. This article is not and should not be construed as ‘anti-vax’. Rather, it provides evidence of natural immunity. It is impeccably researched and well worth reading. And spontaneously endorsed by Prof Michael Levitt, the only living South African Nobel Prize winning scientist (see below). – Nadya Swart

Really fine article sticking to that which we know & not that which we do not know.
Treating fallacies for what they are & explaining each careful is the exact right approach.
To Marc who has been fighting against misinformation together since March 2020, I say “
Great job! https://t.co/RoqNNXEqky

— Michael Levitt (@MLevitt_NP2013) June 30, 2021


Should people who have recovered from COVID take a vaccine?

Epidemiology, immunology and the clinical data all say a clear “No!”. There is no good reason to vaccinate the recovered.


By Marc Girardot

A British friend, recovered from COVID, decided to get vaccinated despite being naturally immune. This is the email he recently sent me:

“Marc I suffered a mild stroke on Wednesday 8 days after taking the Astrazeneca 2nd dose. Since I am a marathon runner I am a very ‘rare case’. I don’t smoke, have high blood pressure, high cholesterol, family history or come into any of the risk categories for blood clots…

You did warn me against taking the second dose and I wished I’d heeded your advice. I’ve taken a totally unnecessary risk with my life and I bitterly regret doing it.”


Contrary to most, Tony was informed; he had been told about the power of natural immunity, about the long – if not lifelong – duration of immunity, of the risk inherent to any medical procedure (yes, vaccination is a medical procedure!), as well as of the rising levels of adverse events. He admitted he hadn’t imagined it could happen to him…

Though it is hard to assess precisely the actual severity and breadth of vaccine-related adverse events, it is very clear that vaccination against COVID-19 isn’t as harmless as pharmaceuticals, mainstream media, academia, health authorities and the medical community have been saying. And, in contrast to high risk individuals who are still susceptible, recovered people have no real benefit to balance the additional risks of vaccination.

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For over a year, mainstream media, health authorities as well as many “experts” have been downplaying the power of the immune system, dismissing natural immunity and proclaiming that immunity to COVID-19 was short-lived. Simultaneously, vaccines have been portrayed as the silver bullet to this crisis, an incidental procedure with no risk whatsoever. The data shows a different picture and many are coming forward, to challenge the official narrative. We will demonstrate that this is a fallacy.

The human immune system is one of the most sophisticated achievements of evolution. The survival of our species has depended on it for millenia. And today, we are still very much relying on it. For the record, 99% of people infected with SARS-CoV-2 recover without treatment. Only 1% of SARS-CoV-2 patients, who did not receive early home-based treatment, end up hospitalised. In other words, the immune system overwhelmingly protects. Even vaccines depend entirely on the immune system: vaccines essentially teach our immune systems what viral markers to be prepared for, they are not cures per se. Without a functional immune system, there can be no effective vaccine.

On the waning immunity fallacy

Once recovered, the immune response recedes, notably via a decrease in antibodies. It is not only natural; it is indispensable to restore the body to a normal balanced state. Just as a permanent state of fever would be harmful, a high number of targetless antibodies or T-cells constantly circulating throughout the body could create serious complications such as autoimmune diseases. Taking an evolutionary perspective, only those whose antibody and T-cells count waned post-infection survived. So, a dropping number of antibodies and T-cells is reassuring, even healthy.

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But this decrease in T-cells and antibodies doesn’t mean at all that immunity is gone. It means the immune system has adapted to the new situation, and is now just on sentinel mode: Memory B- and T-cells, circulating in the blood and resident in tissues, act as vigilant and effective sentinels for decades:

*survivors of the Spanish Flu epidemic were tested for their immunity to the 1918 influenza virus 90 years after, and still demonstrated immunity;

*people recovered from the 2003 SARS infection demonstrated robust T-Cell responses seventeen years later;

*the wide-spread prevalence of high cross-immunity – gained from past common cold infections – further demonstrates the resilience of natural immunity for coronaviruses.

Indeed, all recent studies show the specific anti-SARS-CoV-2 immunity remains effective – possibly for a lifetime. Our immune system is a modular platform, it can combine in an infinite number of ways to address a multitude of threats in a variety of contexts. As such, it is neutral to the viral threats it faces. In other words, there is absolutely no reason to believe that those recovered from Covid-19 would lose their immunity over the years, or even the decades to come.

On the reinfection fallacy

You might have also heard of people becoming reinfected by SARS-CoV-2. Indeed, immunity, natural or vaccine-induced, isn’t the impenetrable shield described by many. Essentially harmless and asymptomatic reinfections do take place. That is, in fact, the very mechanism by which adaptive immunity is triggered.

However, symptomatic reinfections are very rare. Like an army which adapts its response to the size and the progression of its enemy forces, adaptive immunity provides a specific, rapid and resource-optimised response. As such, reinfections are mostly asymptomatic and recovered patients are protected from severe disease.

In fact, innocuous reinfections can play a positive public health role as continuous immune updates of the population. They can help a seamless and progressive adaptation to emerging new variants and strains. And indeed a recent study showed that couples with children were more frequently asymptomatic than couples without, most likely because children acted as natural and harmless immunisation vehicles. The likely reason high density countries all have very low death tolls is that they have asymptomatic reinfections that regularly and widely update the immunity of the population.

On the variant fallacy

As demonstrated by the low numbers of reinfections mentioned above, but also by multiple studies, so far variants have not escaped acquired immunity. Just as Americans can speak and interact seamlessly in England, unhindered by a few word variants, natural or vaccine-induced immunity is unhindered by variants, possibly more so than vaccine-induced immunity. There is ample evidence of the sophistication and breadth of the human immune system, and it is clear that its arsenal cannot be evaded by a few minor changes in the genes of the virus.

Across the world (countries: Canada, Ecuador, Gabon, Germany, India, Singapore, Sweden, UK, USA, Tanzania, Zambia), multiple studies demonstrate high-levels of pre-existing cross-reactive T-cells and antibodies to SARS-CoV-2. In other words, many were already largely immune via other coronaviruses. This is the likely explanation for the unexpectedly high level of asymptomatics during the pandemic. More importantly, this demonstrates that even with large genetic differences, prior immunity to related coronaviruses is sufficient to avoid severe Covid. Therefore, it is quite evident [that] variants are not a concern for the general population who have already recovered.

On the vaccine better-than-the-natural-immunity fallacy

You might have heard people stating that vaccines provide better protection than natural immunity. That’s an interesting way of bending reality. How can a vaccine be more effective at immunisation than the disease it is trying to mimic?

Theoretically, there are several reasons explaining why natural immunity is better than vaccine-induced immunity:

Fewer immune targets: mRNA/DNA vaccines present only a fraction of the virus genetic code (5-10%). For example, they don’t utilise ORF1 highly immunogenic epitopes. Therefore, the immune system will recruit a smaller number of T-cells tapping into a narrower repertoire, consequently with a less effective response. The logic: Imagine you lose a number of key players for a football tournament – you might still win, but it will be harder.

Longer immune trigger time: The smaller number of epitope targets also means that the alarm to the immune system will be delayed. This is a key driver of success in the COVID-19 battle. The wider the target repertoire, the faster the encounter between dendritic cells and identifiable antigens. The logic: Like a party you go to, you can start partying much faster when you have ten friends there than when you have only one. They are just easier to find.

Inappropriate delivery location: The intramuscular delivery of current vaccines unfortunately doesn’t mimic viral penetration and propagation at all. Coronaviruses don’t enter the body via muscles. They do so via the respiratory tract, often infecting cell to cell. Contrary to muscle-delivered vaccines, natural immunity places a strong sentinel force of memory resident cells at the portals of entry and shuts the body entrance to the virus preemptively. From an evolutionary standpoint, this makes perfect sense. The logic: It’s much easier to stop an army coming through a narrow gorge than on the beaches of Normandy.

Recent research confirms this logic. One comparative study in Israel found the protection from severe disease to be 96·4% for Covid-19 recovered individuals but 94.4% for vaccinated ones, and concluded “Our results question the need to vaccinate previously-infected individuals.” Another reference comparative study by a team at New York University highlighted a faster, wider and more impactful humoral and cytotoxic reaction in recovered immunity versus vaccine-induced.

There is ample evidence that vaccinating people recovered from COVID doesn’t bring any benefit. It quite possibly does the opposite, because of the risk of building tolerance to elements of the virus translating into reduced immune potency.

On the vaccine innocuity fallacy

Without denigrating the incredible contribution of vaccines to modern medicine and public health, one needs to acknowledge that vaccines are a medical procedure. As such, vaccines should never be considered lightly. They are neither neutral, nor trivial, all the more so when they are injected into billions of people.

In their very nature, vaccines tinker with the sophisticated balance of one’s immune system. That in itself demands respecting rigid safety protocols. Though we have made considerable progress in our understanding of immunology, we are still very far from understanding its intricacies and subtleties, especially when it comes to novel mRNA and DNA technologies.

Because of the risk of anaphylactic shock, auto-immune diseases, unforeseen interactions, design flaws, deficient quality protocols, over-dosage, and so on – vaccines have traditionally been strictly regulated.

History teaches us to be watchful with vaccines, from the botched inactivation of polio vaccines that ended infecting 40,000 kids with polio in 1955, to the 1976 swine flu vaccine which caused 450 to develop Guillain-Barré syndrome, to the more recent vaccine-induced outbreak of polio in Sudan. The recent rejection by Brazilian health authorities of the Barhat’s Covaxin is a clear reminder of how rigorous and independent our health authorities need to be if vaccines are to promote, not hinder, public health.

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After 6 months of vaccination and a year of research, a number of red signals should be alerting the would-be vaccinated and health authorities:

Wandering nanoparticles: The lipid nanoparticles, the carriers of the mRNA, were supposed to remain in the muscle, but ended up broadly distributed throughout the body, notably in the ovaries, the liver and possibly the bone marrow.

Anaphylactic PEG: A number of concerns had been raised regarding the novel use of PEG adjuvant. Notably, prior research had raised the risk of cardiac anaphylaxis at second injection.

Sensitive locations: ACE-2 receptors susceptible to binding to the spike protein are highly expressed in the endothelial cells of highly sensitive areas, such as the brain, the heart, the lungs, the liver and both male and female reproductive systems.

Toxic circulating spikes: The spike proteins induced by mRNA/DNA vaccines have been shown to be pathogenic, and highly inflammatory, notably because of the similarity of a spike sequence to that of Staphylococcal Enterotoxin B. It has also been found to be directly causing blood clots through platelet activation. One researcher said, “Our findings show that the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein causes lung injury even without the presence of an intact virus”.

BBB disruption: A recent study highlights the risk of disruption of the blood-brain barrier, a fundamental filter mechanism to protect the brain. The spike protein has also been found to cross the BBB and create inflammation in the brain.

High adverse events: Even though most likely under-reported, the overall number of serious adverse events versus other traditional vaccines remains very high. The 6,000+ deaths seen [in the US] in six months exceed all the vaccine-related deaths in 30 years. This is quite disquieting, and tends to confirm the aforementioned alarms.

Children more at risk: The Covid-19 vaccines seem to be more harmful to children and teens, notably with a growing number of myocarditis events. The fact that vaccine doses are not adjusted for body weight is notably a cause for concern given the discovery of circulating nanoparticles and spike toxicity.

These are essentially just the short-term effects of these novel vaccines. There is no long-term clinical data regarding the implications of these vaccines, notably regarding autoreactive antibodies (antibodies that target one’s own body creating autoimmune diseases).

To conclude, we question why anyone healthy and recovered from COVID-19 would want or be advised to take any risk – even the most remote – in getting vaccinated given that:

*those who have recovered from COVID-19 enjoy robust immunity;

*natural immunity duration is decades-long, probably lifelong;

*natural immunity effectiveness is better than vaccine-induced;

*variants are not an immunological concern, presenting no risk of immune escape;

*vaccines are medical interventions which should never be taken lightly, especially when still experimental;

*there is no benefit for COVID-19 recovered; and

*COVID-19 vaccines are obviously not as safe as stated initially by the manufacturers.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby mentalgongfu2 » Wed Jul 07, 2021 3:39 am

You did warn me against taking the second dose and I wished I’d heeded your advice. I’ve taken a totally unnecessary risk with my life and I bitterly regret doing it.”

Contrary to most, Tony was informed; he had been told about the power of natural immunity, about the long – if not lifelong – duration of immunity, of the risk inherent to any medical procedure (yes, vaccination is a medical procedure!), as well as of the rising levels of adverse events. He admitted he hadn’t imagined it could happen to him…


Science. Pure, unbiased, science. I'm glad the reporters are so unbiased. If they had any biases, that might make the conclusions suspect.
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Postby Harvey » Wed Jul 07, 2021 8:50 am

Contrary to most, Tony was informed; he had been told about the power of natural immunity


Imagine the hubris required to deliberately inculcate distrust of our own immune systems which are, in truth, a natural wonder, a workhorse designed not by man but by millions of iterations, billions of years of trial and error. Greed induced insanity masquerading as rationality.

It reminds me of low level but all embracing marketing campaigns I encountered as a child, designed to make mothers afraid and feel self disgust at the idea of breast feeding. By direct advertising and subtler messaging throughout 'popular' culture, the implication was that you were inferior, somehow less nurturing, less of a mother if you chose to breast feed rather than adopt the latest scientific marvel. You are putting your loved ones at risk. Needless to say, the usual suspects made fortunes selling powdered milk to young mothers. After millions of generations of evolving mammals, mammalian milk was suddenly somehow less nourishing and more of a risk than this clean, dry, white, powdered, scientific formula.

The same method the corporations used to sell us deodorants. "If you don't use 'Sure' then everyone will hold their nose and whisper that you smell." They had us spraying aerosolised aluminium all over our bodies. "Breathe it in, you'll smell great!"

Although it would be many more years before most of us discovered there was asbestos in the talcum powder, which they encouraged us to throw all over our babies, as well as placing it throughout the buildings we inhabited, many corporate moves are now afoot to legalise the use of asbestos again.

So don't worry about spraying Round-Up across your patio, on your streets and into all your flour, I shit you not - they use it to kill the wheatgerm thereby increasing yield. Don't worry about pouring millions of gallons of neo-nicatinoids into the fields and don't worry about the sensitive and crucial balance of a billion years of insect evolution in almost every ecology on earth, because in just a few generations, we've decided we can replace all the butterflies and bees with robot pollinators! So, fuck the swallows and come join the march of progress!

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Jul 07, 2021 11:50 am

mentalgongfu2 » 07 Jul 2021 07:39 wrote:
You did warn me against taking the second dose and I wished I’d heeded your advice. I’ve taken a totally unnecessary risk with my life and I bitterly regret doing it.”

Contrary to most, Tony was informed; he had been told about the power of natural immunity, about the long – if not lifelong – duration of immunity, of the risk inherent to any medical procedure (yes, vaccination is a medical procedure!), as well as of the rising levels of adverse events. He admitted he hadn’t imagined it could happen to him…


Science. Pure, unbiased, science. I'm glad the reporters are so unbiased. If they had any biases, that might make the conclusions suspect.


LOL. That's rich. Somebody is "biased" and "unscientific" because they warned somebody who had no scientific reason whatsoever to risk getting a vaccine not to risk getting a vaccine?

Here is the First and Only Commandment of all high priests of the Church of #believescience.

I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of polio, out of the house of measles. You shall have no other gods before Me.

No vaccine ever invented or yet to be invented is ever to be questioned for any reason whatsoever. Vaccines are the magic elixir that singlehandedly change capitalists into saintly altruists with only pure motives who can do no wrong.

But the highly educated individual who wrote the scientific article above questioning only the wisdom of vaccinating those who have already recovered from COVID-19 is biased?
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby DrEvil » Wed Jul 07, 2021 3:41 pm

stickdog99 » Wed Jul 07, 2021 5:50 pm wrote:
mentalgongfu2 » 07 Jul 2021 07:39 wrote:
You did warn me against taking the second dose and I wished I’d heeded your advice. I’ve taken a totally unnecessary risk with my life and I bitterly regret doing it.”

Contrary to most, Tony was informed; he had been told about the power of natural immunity, about the long – if not lifelong – duration of immunity, of the risk inherent to any medical procedure (yes, vaccination is a medical procedure!), as well as of the rising levels of adverse events. He admitted he hadn’t imagined it could happen to him…


Science. Pure, unbiased, science. I'm glad the reporters are so unbiased. If they had any biases, that might make the conclusions suspect.


LOL. That's rich. Somebody is "biased" and "unscientific" because they warned somebody who had no scientific reason whatsoever to risk getting a vaccine not to risk getting a vaccine?

Here is the First and Only Commandment of all high priests of the Church of #believescience.

I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of polio, out of the house of measles. You shall have no other gods before Me.

No vaccine ever invented or yet to be invented is ever to be questioned for any reason whatsoever. Vaccines are the magic elixir that singlehandedly change capitalists into saintly altruists with only pure motives who can do no wrong.

But the highly educated individual who wrote the scientific article above questioning only the wisdom of vaccinating those who have already recovered from COVID-19 is biased?


You keep saying this over and over and over and over again, and it keeps not being true.
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Postby stickdog99 » Wed Jul 07, 2021 10:47 pm

What keeps not being true?
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Postby mentalgongfu2 » Wed Jul 07, 2021 11:19 pm

What keeps not being true?


Respectfully, stickdogg99,

I won't presume to speak for Dr. Evil, but one thing that isn't true is that anyone here is making an argument that vaccines have never caused harm and Science is God and no questions can be asked and capitalism is pure and just.

Reference your clearly tongue-in-cheek statement as follows:
No vaccine ever invented or yet to be invented is ever to be questioned for any reason whatsoever. Vaccines are the magic elixir that singlehandedly change capitalists into saintly altruists with only pure motives who can do no wrong.


It's a very stupid strawman, but it keeps recurring, as if it were reflexive, in response to anything that attempts to question a narrative you and the other dominant posters in this thread accept as The Truth. It's recurring as a supposed rebuttal to an argument no one is making here because... Because why? Is it just because it's easier to frame perceived opposition as idiots, fools and slaves, or do you genuinely not see how "petesantivaccineblog.com" is not a reliable source of data and opinion? I can tell you without reading it, Pete is going to be against the vaccine.

In your mind, could only such a science-worshipping Godforsaken boot-licking fool dare disagree with you or discern that the sources for the information that underlies your opinion range from unqualified to blatantly lying and misrepresenting?
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Postby Belligerent Savant » Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:34 am

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So you replace one strawman with another, then.

A growing amount of doctors and scientists -- despite being occassionally censored/deplatformed -- are speaking out against these experimental shots. They aren't "anti vaxx" but they have legitimate concerns, and legitimate science (along with a growing case count of adverse effects) to corroborate these concerns. The fact remains there is zero long-term (12 months+) data on impact these mRNA/spike protein-based shots may have on the body.

So, one can very well be broadly pro-vax and against this current crop of covid "vaccines".

Putting that aside, there are also more than a fair amount of people that will blindly adhere to whatever talking points align with their political sensibilities. Right now, 'the science' is quickly becoming the dogma/religion of choice among those that swear allegiance to all things 'blue'. They likewise revile any scrutiny of lockdowns/mandates/'vaccines' as Trumptard ignorance.

Of course, the contrary is in play as well: a number of Americans will blindly follow the counter-narratives, or whatever may align them with a stereotypical 'red'/Trump stance on this issue.

For certain demographics, this topic has become a fiercely political topic: one's position on this is tied inexorably to their political affiliation.
Willing dupes to divisive rhetoric; doing their part to perpetuate control mechanisms.

All that aside,
i've yet to see a substantive refutation from you on the issues raised on this topic.
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Postby stickdog99 » Thu Jul 08, 2021 9:36 am

I am not accusing anyone here of this mindset.

However, I am accusing our whole medical cult(ure) of #believescience of this exact mindset.
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Postby Belligerent Savant » Thu Jul 08, 2021 12:53 pm

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Cross-post.

Belligerent Savant » Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:50 am wrote:.

https://pandemic.solari.com/wp-content/ ... ctions.pdf



Form for Employees Whose Employers Are Requiring Covid-19 Injections

NOTE TO EMPLOYEE: Be sure to document the date and time you submit this form to your employer; also document the date and tme and their response if they refuse to sign it.

NOTE TO EMPLOYER: As your employee, I am requesting that you review this document, provide the requisite information, and sign the form, in regards to your requirement that employees get a Covid-19 emergency use authorization (EUA) investigational vaccine.

1) If I agree to receive an EUA Covid-19 injection, does my employee health insurance plan provide complete coverage should I experience an adverse event, or even death? _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

2) As an employee, does my life insurance policy provide any coverage in the event that I die from receiving an EUA Covid-19 injection? _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

3) As an employee, will you be providing Workers’ Compensation, disability insurance, or other resources if I have an adverse event to an EUA Covid-19 injection and am unable to come to work for days, weeks, or months, or if I am disabled for life? _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

4)The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) requires that EUA vaccine recipients be provided with certain vaccine-specific information to help them make an informed decision about vaccination.8 The EUA fact sheets that must be provided are specific to each authorized Covid-19 injection and are
developed by the manufacturers of the injections (Pfzer/BioNTech, Moderna, Oxford/AstraZeneca, and the Johnson & Johnson subsidiary Janssen). The fact sheets must provide the most current and up-to-date information on the injections, and vaccine recipients must also receive information about adverse events. Have you read, understood, and provided me (and all other employees) with these fact sheets and with current information on adverse events so that I/we can make an educated decision?______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________


5) Have you reviewed the available databases of material adverse events reported to date for people who have received Covid-19 injections?9,10,11,12 Potential and reported adverse events include death, anaphylaxis, neurological disorders, autoimmune disorders, other long-term chronic diseases, blindness and deafness, infertility, fetal damage, miscarriage, and stllbirth.______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

6)The FDA’s guidance 13 on emergency use authorization of medical products requires the FDA to “ensure that recipients are informed to the extent practicable given the applicable circumstances...[t]hat they have the option to accept or refuse the EUA product....” Are you aware of this statement?Have you informed all employees that they have the option to refuse?______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________


7) With respect to the emergency use of an unapproved product, the Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act, Title 21 U.S.C. 360bbb-3(e)(1)(A)(ii)(I-III)14 reiterates that individuals be informed of “the option to accept or refuse administration of the product, [and] of the consequences, if any, of refusing administration of the product, and of the alternatives to the product that are available and of their benefits and risks.” If EUA Covid-19 investigational vaccines are ever approved by the FDA, state legislation would be required to allow companies to mandate the Covid-19 injections. Are you aware of these facts?______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________


8 ) EUA products are unapproved, unlicensed, and experimental. Under the Nuremberg Code—the foundation of ethical medicine—no one may be coerced to participate in a medical experiment. The individual’s consent is absolutely essential. No court has ever upheld a mandate for an EUA vaccine. In Doe #1 v. Rumsfeld, 297 F. Supp. 2d 119 (2003)15, a federal court held that the U.S. military could not mandate EUA vaccines for soldiers: “...[T]he United States cannot demand that members of the armed forces also serve as guinea pigs for experimental drugs” (Id.at 135). Are you aware of this?___________________________________________________________


9) The United States Code of Federal Regulatons16and the FDA require the informed consent of human subjects for medical research. The EUA Covid-19 injections are unapproved, unlicensed, investigational vaccines that are still in their experimental stage. It is unlawful to conduct medical research on a human being, even in the event of an emergency, unless steps are taken to secure the informed consent of all participants. Are you aware of this?_____________________________________________________


10) According to Federal Trade Commission (FTC) Guidelines17and the FTC’s “Truth In Advertising,”18 promotional material—and especially material involving health-related products—cannot mislead consumers, omit important information, or express claims. All of this falls under the rubric of “deceptive advertising” (whereby a company is providing or endorsing a product), whether presented in the form of an ad, on a website, through email, on a poster, or in the mail. For example, statements such as “all employees are required to get the Covid-19 vaccine to make the workspace safe” or “it’s safe and effective” leave out critical information. Critical information includes the facts that Covid-19 injections are unapproved EUA vaccines that “may” or “may not” prevent Covid, won’t necessarily make the workspace safer, and could in fact cause harm. Not providing links or attachments of the manufacturers’ fact sheets and current information on adverse events is omitting safety information. Are you aware of this?____________________________________________________


11) Since the Covid lockdowns began over one year ago, there have been over 178 reported breaches of unsecured protected health information (PHI), incidents investigated by the Office for Civil Rights (OCR). These breaches exposed millions of people’s personal health information. Although many of these incidents were attributed to hacking, some of the breaches to PHI fell directly under the 1996 Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA), such as sharing a patent’s or person’s information with an unauthorized individual or incorrectly handling PHI.19Can you please explain your obligations to me, under HIPAA law, and how you are going to protect my personal information - both with respect to your requirement that I receive this injection? ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
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12) Whereas pharmaceutical companies that manufacture EUA vaccines have been protected from liability related to injuries or deaths caused by experimental agents since the PREP Act1was enacted in 2005, companies and all other institutions or individuals who mandate experimental vaccines on any human being are not protected from liability. Are you aware that you do not enjoy such liability protection?________________________________________________________________________________


13) Are you aware that employees could file a civil suit against you should they suffer an adverse event, death, or termination from their place of employment?________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

As the legally authorized officer of the employer/company, I have read all of the above information, have provided my employees with all of the information that the FDA requires be provided to recipients of the Covid-19 injectons, and do hereby agree to assume 100% financial responsibility for covering any and all expenses from adverse events, including death, through insurance coverage or directly. In addition, I affirm that the employee will not be subjected to the loss of their job should they decline to receive a Covid-19 injection.___________________________________________________________________________________________

Authorized officer of company requiring injection
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Employee
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End notes:
1.Congressional Research Service. The PREP Act and COVID-19: Limitng Liability for Medical Countermeasures. Updated Mar. 19, 2021. htps://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LSB10443.
2.Del Bigtree interviews 3 medical professionals incapacitated by Covid injectons. The Highwire, Apr. 29, 2021. htps://www.bitchute.com/video/A4d8FB2cIBTc/. 3.America’s Frontline Doctors. Vaccines & the law. htps://www.americasfrontlinedoctors.org ... es-the-law.
4.Layton, Catharine. Forced to get the COVID vaccine? ICAN may be able to help. The Defender, Jan. 29, 2021. htps://childrenshealthdefense.org/defen ... e-to-help/.
5.htps://uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/default ... orneys.pdf.
6.The Solari Report. Family Financial Disclosure Form for Covid-19 injectons. Mar. 1, 2021. htps://pandemic.solari.com/family-fnanc ... injectons/.
7.Corey Lynn, The Solari Report. Form for Students Atending Colleges or Universites Requiring Covid-19 Injectons. May 3, 2021.
8.Centers for Disease Control and Preventon. COVID-19 Vaccine Emergency Use Authorizaton (EUA) Fact Sheets for Recipients and Caregivers. htps://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/eua/index.html.
9. UK Medical Freedom Alliance. COVID-19 Vaccine Info. htps://www.ukmedfreedom.org/resources/c ... ccine-info.
10. Vaccine Adverse Event Reportng System. htps://vaers.hhs.gov.
11. CDC WONDER. About the Vaccine Adverse Event Reportng System (VAERS). htps://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html.
12. Natonal Vaccine Informaton Center. Search the U.S. Government’s VAERS Data. htps://www.medalerts.org/.
13.U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.Emergency Use Authorizaton of Medical Products and Related Authorites: Guidance for Industry and Other Stakeholders. January 2017. htps://www.fda.gov/media/97321/download.
14. 21 U.S. Code § 360bbb–3 - Authorizaton for medical products for use in emergencies. htps://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/21/360bbb-3.
15. Doe #1 v. Rumsfeld, 297 F. Supp. 2d 119 (2003). htps://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/23 ... -rumsfeld/.
16. htps://www.govregs.com/regulatons/expan ... egulaton_2.
17. Federal Trade Commission. Advertsing FAQ’s: A Guide for Small Business. htps://www.fc.gov/tps-advice/business-c ... l-business.
18. Federal Trade Commission. Truth in Advertsing. htps://www.fc.gov/news-events/media-res ... advertsing.
19.U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Ofce for Civil Rights. Breach Portal: Notce to the Secretary of HHS Breach of Unsecured Protected Health Informaton. htps://ocrportal.hhs.gov/ocr/breach/bre ... CB2A643553.
20..htp://market-tcker.org/akcs-www?post=24 ... e-reactons



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