Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

[stickdog99]

https://www.rt.com/news/537025-iceland- ... ine-covid/

Iceland stops use of Moderna's Covid vaccine for all ages over heart inflammation concerns

[Elvis]

FWIW here's an archive of that Economist piece, "The pandemic’s true death toll":

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detai ... -estimates

(I haven't read it.)

[Elvis]

Association of American Physicians and Surgeons

Published October 4, 2021

The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a politically conservative non-profit association that promotes medical disinformation, such as HIV/AIDS denialism, the abortion-breast cancer hypothesis, vaccine and autism connections, and homosexuality reducing life expectancy. The association was founded in 1943 to oppose a government attempt to nationalize health care.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associati ... d_Surgeons

With all due respect, I wouldn't touch AAPS with a ten-foot pole. There have been few bigger toadies for the rightwing corporate class. Sigh.

[stickdog99]

Association of American Physicians and Surgeons

Published October 4, 2021

The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a politically conservative non-profit association that promotes medical disinformation, such as HIV/AIDS denialism, the abortion-breast cancer hypothesis, vaccine and autism connections, and homosexuality reducing life expectancy. The association was founded in 1943 to oppose a government attempt to nationalize health care.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associati ... d_Surgeons

With all due respect, I wouldn't touch AAPS with a ten-foot pole. There have been few bigger toadies for the rightwing corporate class. Sigh.

They suck, but they are also seemingly the only US physician group fighting for anything other than a total mRNA vaccine compliance strategy for containment and treatment of COVID-19. For whatever reason. no group left of neoconservative Joe Biden dare even mention the most patently obvious things, such as natural immunity is superior to shitty, leaky vaccine immunity or that early treatment for COVID-19 is more effective than doing nothing whatsoever until you cannot breathe.

Can you tell me why this is?

[Laodicean]

COVID Enforcement Team and Secure Location for COVID Isolation

By News Room
Oct 12, 2021 | 3:17 PM

The Saskatchewan Health Authority now says it is putting together a COVID Enforcement Team. The group will be made up of mostly retired police officers who have special constable status.

The information was conveyed in the most recent Physicians Town Hall Meeting. Medical Health Officer Dr. Johnmark Opondo says the purpose of the CET is to enforce public health measures, in particular proof of vaccination non-compliance at businesses that are not typically regulated by public health inspectors. They will also be charged with enforcing masking public health measures.

In addition to a COVID Enforcement Team and a on-line form or phone number to report on fellow citizens, the government is also setting up a secure isolation site for those deemed needing to be isolated by a medical health officer.

“Public Health Inspectors and police, once the Medical Health Officer has signed a form for secure isolation, will be involved in assisting and transporting and moving people into the secure isolation site.”

This site, expected to be ready in the next three weeks, is going to be located at the Saskatchewan Hospital in North Battleford.

They refer to those sent to the secure isolation site as clients, not detainees. However they will be there under a detention order.

The town hall heard the CET will likely be out in the field in 1-2 weeks.

https://www.620ckrm.com/2021/10/12/covi ... isolation/

[Harvey]

Association of American Physicians and Surgeons

Published October 4, 2021

The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a politically conservative non-profit association that promotes medical disinformation, such as HIV/AIDS denialism, the abortion-breast cancer hypothesis, vaccine and autism connections, and homosexuality reducing life expectancy. The association was founded in 1943 to oppose a government attempt to nationalize health care.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associati ... d_Surgeons

With all due respect, I wouldn't touch AAPS with a ten-foot pole. There have been few bigger toadies for the rightwing corporate class. Sigh.

But more importantly, can you rebut a single fact in the presentation made to them. One? Two? Three? Four rebuttals? Or just none?

Seriously, how many rebuttals are necessary before the argument is deemed unworthy? Not a single one? Is 'I don't like them therefore it's all bullshit' enough to ignore the whole argument, papers studies and all? Is that where you've arrived at?

[Elvis]

I give the AAPS antisocial scum factory zero credibility. Maybe these particular people are right about this issue!—and if a group that doesn't hate gays and doesn't work with & for Big Tobacco, Big Oil, Big Insurance & Big Money arrives at similar conclusions, then I'm interested.

[Harvey]

I give the AAPS antisocial scum factory zero credibility. Maybe these particular people are right about this issue!—and if a group that doesn't hate gays and doesn't work with & for Big Tobacco, Big Oil, Big Insurance & Big Money arrives at similar conclusions, then I'm interested.

Let me say this very carefully in case there is some confusion here. Do you have any reason to believe that the argument presented to them is in whole or in part inaccurate? Please elucidate. What else is worth bloviating about?

[Joe Hillshoist]

Association of American Physicians and Surgeons

Published October 4, 2021

The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) is a politically conservative non-profit association that promotes medical disinformation, such as HIV/AIDS denialism, the abortion-breast cancer hypothesis, vaccine and autism connections, and homosexuality reducing life expectancy. The association was founded in 1943 to oppose a government attempt to nationalize health care.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associati ... d_Surgeons

With all due respect, I wouldn't touch AAPS with a ten-foot pole. There have been few bigger toadies for the rightwing corporate class. Sigh.

But more importantly, can you rebut a single fact in the presentation made to them. One? Two? Three? Four rebuttals? Or just none?

Seriously, how many rebuttals are necessary before the argument is deemed unworthy? Not a single one? Is 'I don't like them therefore it's all bullshit' enough to ignore the whole argument, papers studies and all? Is that where you've arrived at?

I'm not watching videos. I don't have the attention span anyway and its worse if I have to listen to wankers talking crap. I'll read a transcript if you've got one.

So from the slides on the link you posted:

Re the spike protein. They mention its toxicity. Is it a different spike protein to the on SARS2 presents outside its cell?

If not then why is it that the vaccine which introduces a tiny amount of the spike protein to the body, in a non replicating way, and if done properly minimises its exposure to the circulatory system is somehow less dangerous than a virus which induces the body's cells to create increasing amounts of the same spike protein while destroying those cells and damaging the organs they are found in? At the same time this viral induced process is always found in the circulatory system which means it will always create spike proteins in a situation that maximises their potential cytotoxicity.

Re the japanese study. That was a study on the lipid protein shell that carries the vaccine, not the vaccine itself wasn't it?

If so, and that is my understanding of it, then its not reasonable to compare free moving circulatory system lipids to ones that are injected into the muscle and then attach to other cells asap to deliver their payload and then no longer have the ability to travel thru the body or inject their payload into cells.

This is why the vaccine is delivered IM instead of IV. To minimise the risks it will cause inadvertent damage.

re the Maclachlan, Osman and Scott study.

First it cites VAERS then questions VAERS accuracy then cites it again. That is inconsistant and therefore untrustworthy. To make the data trustworthy someone has to go thru every case in the VAERS system and confirm the actual details of the adverse evennts and whether they were connected to the vaccine or not. The study cited simply says that cases can't be ruled out in 14% of the cases. it doesn't provide any more data. They do claim something like 1400 deaths by that date. This is at a time when the US was administering at least a million doses a day. So 1400 cases out of what ... 100 million doses administered? I'm not sure but that is what it seems like to me. This is shitloads less than the death rate from COVID 19.

Is this really the figures they are claiming or am I missing something obvious. I think I must be.

Immediately afterward in the slide show linked hey compare deaths per capita from the virus to deaths per shot for the vaccine. This is disingenuous and should be comparing deaths per infection to get an accurate comparison. Especially considering (IMO) the death rate from COVID infection is under counted.

In terms of anaphylactic reactions. In Australia you have to wait around after any covid vaccine shot. You can't leave for at least 15 minutes, longer if the first signs of anaphylactic shock are there. This is because their are anaphylactic reactions in about 1 per 15000 and 1 per 25 - 30000 doses for Pfizer and AZ (in that order). Dunno what happens in the US but if something similar isn't happening you'd have to question how well they manage health care over there.

Those are high numbers but anaphylaxis is a temporary situation most of the time and treatable. It is also registered as an adverse reaction here. Dunno about the US.

Mentions vaccination of children 12-17 years old. Not necessarily a good idea in my opinion. If I had kids that age I'd make sure they were well educated on the issue and let them make their own decision. The cite 163 and 94 per million for 12-16 and 17-18 year olds. This is hospitalisation but doesn't cover how well the kids recover. Full recovery without long term injury isn't as serious.

Also how do these numbers compare with covid infection in those age groups, particularly in terms of long term heart damage? Its not something that's been well investigated to my knoiwledge but one thing that seems to happen is covid infection has severe implications for many young elite athletes. I don't know of any accurate data, just lots of anecdotal reporting, but I'd assume its something that turns up because training at an elite level involves increased levels of cardiac activity and stress and so is more likely to be noticeable.

Vaccine associated cardiac inflamation would be due to the spike protein, as I mentioned at the start of this thread that spike protein is part of the virus not unique to vaccines.

Since the majority of deaths occur within a few days of the vaccine administration, if the vaccine did not directly "cause" the death it was undoubtedly (? - maybe, JH) in the causal pathway of these temporally related fatalities.

I'm willing to accept that but if at the same time its exactly the same situation as people with comorbidities being killed byor with COVID.

If someone accepts that statement then says "but covid isn't bad cos those people who died with it were sick anyway" they are full of it.

By pushing mass vaccination governments have created evolutionary pressures on SARS-COV-2

Indiscriminate Vaccination is reducing the diversity of strains and producing dominant variants.

All treatments for COVID including suppressed early intervention create evolutionary pressure on SARS2. All medical treatments from virus or bacteria create evolutionary pressure on the virus and bacteria. What is their argument? Don't treat people? How many of these cunts have been vaccinated and now don't want anyone else vaccinated in case it threatens their protection?

Delta, the dominant variant right now arose in India, before they had started vaccinations there and spread thru mostly unvaccinated populations. As of yet nothing has come along that has removed that dominance by Delta. So that second headline is flat out wrong.

I've spent an hour posting this. That's enough for now.

[DrEvil]

An hour well spent.

[Belligerent Savant]

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This is a quick drive-by; I may come back later with something more substantive, but a few quick replies to a few specific statements by Joe H. above:

If not then why is it that the vaccine which introduces a tiny amount of the spike protein to the body, in a non replicating way

Whoa there, cowboy. the bolded bit remains very much in question. Actually, there are claims to the contrary: continued proliferation/replication of spike proteins (introduced to the body via 'vaccine') -- particularly in vital organs -- well beyond the presumed timeframe indicated by the vaccine manufacturers (and actually: did the manufacturers ever offer any specific statements/claims on this? I'd like to know) are one of the key factors in (reported) vaccine-related adverse reactions.
If you have a source for your statement above -- other than the standard language put forth by those promoting mass vaccination -- I'd like to see it.

Also, the above statement assumes the only concern with the vaccines is whatever was reportedly done to replicate the spike proteins (synthetically). The added concerns on top of this are the other ingredients in these vaccines apart from the spike protein(s), and the potential harms of these other ingredients, a subset of which have not yet been disclosed.

All treatments for COVID including suppressed early intervention create evolutionary pressure on SARS2.

Please cite your sources for the bolded bit of this claim, and the specific early treatments you're referencing that reportedly qualify.

Delta, the dominant variant right now arose in India, before they had started vaccinations there and spread thru mostly unvaccinated populations. As of yet nothing has come along that has removed that dominance by Delta.

I don't understand. I just posted example regions in India with low vaxx rates that had great success with Ivermectin as primary treatment. Your comment above seems to ignore this. Am I missing something?

Here it is again:

... the regions in India that adopted Ivermectin fared very well despite very low vaxx rates; regions that excluded Ivermectin did not fare nearly as well:

Now let's also look at regions in India that focused on Ivermectin as primary treatment:

Uttar Pradesh on Ivermectin: Population 240 Million [4.9% fully vaccinated]

COVID Daily Cases: 26

COVID Daily Deaths: 3

Delhi on Ivermectin: Population 31 Million [15% fully vaccinated]

COVID Daily Cases: 61

COVID Daily Deaths: 2

Uttarakhand on Ivermectin: Population 11.4 Million [15% fully vaccinated]

COVID Daily Cases: 24

COVID Daily Deaths: 0

https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion ... 19364.html

Have there been recent changes to the above figures due to Delta?

Regardless, none of the above justifies forced/coerced mass vaccination. We are witnessing crimes against humanity. And some continue to defend it, passively or otherwise.


Also, this is noteworthy:

https://www.sirillp.com/wp-content/uplo ... ia-Lee.pdf

Excerpt -- pasting from the source pdf created too many formatting issues so you'll have to click the link to get more substantive details:

Dear Dr. Marks and Dr. Shimabukuro,

As a physician, I am compelled by conscience to write this letter. I am fully vaccinated for Covid-19, but my experience this year treating patients in a busy ICU does not comport with claims made by federal health authorities regarding the safety of Covid-19 vaccines.

I am a licensed physician practicing in the state of California. I obtained my medical degree from University of Southern California and received my post-graduate training at Georgetown University and Harvard-affiliated hospitals. I have been a doctor for more than
twenty years and I have never witnessed so many vaccine-related injuries until this year. As a fully vaccinated physician, I feel pained in admitting this. But I am compelled by conscience to state the facts as I observe them on the frontlines.
The following are a few illustrative examples of Covid-19 vaccine related injuries I have
observed firsthand.

While causation is difficult to prove definitively, it is my clinical judgment
that each of these injuries were caused by a Covid-19 vaccine, because there was no other
plausible explanation for these injuries other than the fact that the patients had recently been vaccinated. I had a direct doctor-patient relationship for each of the patient accounts below
and have removed all personal identifiable information. To further assure patient anonymity, certain medical but inconsequential details have been withheld or changed to ensure the absence of any Pll.

[Belligerent Savant]

Screenshots of the above-referenced pdf:






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Also, this one is noteworthy:

https://renz-law.com/wp-content/uploads ... tamped.pdf

Screenshot:



From page 11 of the above motion:

Migration of the SARS-CoV-2 “Spike Protein” in the Body

The SARS-CoV-2 has a spike protein on its surface. The spike protein is what allows the
virus to infect other bodies. It is clear that the spike protein is not a simple, passive structure.
The spike protein is a “pathogenic protein” and a toxin that causes damage. The spike protein is
itself biologically active, even without the virus. It is “fusogenic” and consequently binds more
tightly to our cells, causing harm. If the purified spike protein is injected into the blood of
research animals, it causes profound damage to their cardiovascular system, and crosses the
blood-brain barrier to cause neurological damage. If the Vaccines were like traditional bona fide
vaccines, and did not leave the immediate site of vaccination, typically the shoulder muscle,
beyond the local draining lymph node, then the damage that the spike protein could cause might
be limited.

However, the Vaccines were authorized without any studies demonstrating where the
spike proteins traveled in the body following vaccination, how long they remain active and what
effect they have. A group of international scientists has recently obtained the “biodistribution
study” for the mRNA Vaccines from Japanese regulators. The study reveals that unlike
traditional vaccines, this spike protein enters the bloodstream and circulates throughout the body
over several days post-vaccination. It accumulates in a number of tissues, such as the spleen,
bone marrow, liver, adrenal glands and ovaries. It fuses with receptors on our blood platelets,
and also with cells lining our blood vessels. It can cause platelets to clump leading to clotting,
bleeding and heart inflammation. It can also cross the blood-brain barrier and cause brain
damage. It can be transferred to infants through breast milk. The VAERS system includes
reports of infants suckling from vaccinated mothers experiencing bleeding disorders in the
gastrointestinal tract.

[Belligerent Savant]

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Further:

https://covidreason.substack.com/p/harv ... -what-weve

Harvard Research Confirms

There is not evidentiary correlation between cases and vaccination rates

I have no idea how this paper made it past the censors but there it is! This was published a month ago but didn’t receive much fanfare and now we know why—it confirms what we’ve been saying for months now: the vaccines have not stopped and likely will not stop the pandemic.

https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/1 ... 0808-7.pdf

Back in July we tweeted that the CDC data mapping vax rates to COVID-19 case rates shows ZERO impact of the former on the latter:



We’ve written in these pages multiple times about the same phenomenon. Yesterday, Dr. Jay Bhattacharya of Stanford tweeted:

“There is a lot to learn from this graph, but most obviously, the COVID vax does not stop infection. The vax provides a private benefit (protection vs. severe disease), but limited public benefit (protection vs. disease spread). So what is the argument for mandates?”

Now this Harvard research notes:

At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days (Fig. 1). In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people.

When they got down to the U.S. county level the relation was even less discernible:



They conclude:

The sole reliance on vaccination as a primary strategy to mitigate COVID-19 and its adverse consequences needs to be re-examined, especially considering the Delta (B.1.617.2) variant and the likelihood of future variants

[stickdog99]

For anybody with even half a brain who carefully reads just Belligerent Savant's very last two posts, this should be case closed on any supposed justification for mandating these unsafe, ineffective mRNA vaccines.

But still, even after reading this, you are scheduling your booster shots while reflexively blaming the ongoing pandemic on anyone who does not. Why? What is it about your cognitive dissonance concerning these mRNA vaccines such that no amount of data can ever break their talismanic spell?

[DrEvil]

Oh look! Stickdog is making shit up to score cheap points. Again.