Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

[DrEvil]

If I had told you I suffered from a vaccine injury, would you have questioned it?

How does that explain your pathological lack of interest in whatever happened to you?

Just trying to determine how curious you are.

I got sick with a respiratory virus and my lungs went to shit. I don't know about you, but that seems like a pretty clear-cut case of cause and effect to me.

[Belligerent Savant]

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As mentioned in a prior posting [adding bold to certain portions as it pertains to your reply above]:

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...It is possible/probable that some of these ailments are also tied to post-covid related issues, but unfortunately the delineation blurs for those with mutliple injections, as the covid shots tend to exacerbate symptoms for a certain percentage of people. Additional covid injections compound any existing lingering issues.

And we still don't know the long-term (3+ yrs) impact to those that may currently feel "fine".

No one in my immediate family opted to get a covid shot. We all got covid (back in late 2021), and none of us have any lingering issues. That's not to say this is the case for everyone that got covid, of course. And repeat exposure to covid over time may well cause lingering issues for a subset of people. But there are now studies and anecdotal data out there that are displaying trendlines that don't bode well for those with multiple covid injections.

The trendlines point to harms caused by these products.

I shared these links here before, but FWIW, sharing again in the event it may be helpful to those dealing with lingering issues:

https://covid19criticalcare.com/treatme ... ne-injury/

An Approach to Post-Vaccine Cardiovascular and Cancer Care
There is very limited data on the clinical features, pathogenetic mechanisms, and pathological findings of patients who have had delayed complications related to the COVID-19 vaccine. In addition, there is no published guidance on how to avoid these complications. This guidance is, therefore, based on our assessment of the likely pathogenic mechanisms underlying these delayed complications (spike protein-related disease) and the limited available autopsy data.

Post-Vaccine Cardiovascular Events and Cancer
Most serious adverse events following vaccination occur in the two weeks immediately following a dose of the vaccine. However, evolving data suggest that some patients who otherwise had no adverse events from the vaccine appear to have delayed acute cardiac events (often leading to sudden death). This appears to peak between 4 to 6 months after the vaccine but may extend for at least one year. There has also been evidence of an emergence of “turbo” and relapsed cancers in the months following vaccination. We have developed this document to attempt to limit these complications and reassure those who have been vaccinated. Essentially, both cardiac and cancer-related complications are related to the persistence of spike protein. Therefore, any intervention that reduces the persistence and the ‘load’ of spike protein will likely be beneficial.

https://covid19criticalcare.com/treatme ... treatment/

An Approach to Treating Long COVID
Due to the marked overlap between long COVID and post-vaccine syndrome, please refer to the I-RECOVER Post-Vaccine Treatment protocol for detailed treatment strategies. This page highlights the differences between these two syndromes, namely ongoing organizing pneumonia.

About Long COVID
Long COVID, also known as Long Haul COVID Syndrome (LHCS) and more recently by the terminology “Post-acute sequelae of COVID-19 (PASC), is a diverse syndrome characterized by prolonged malaise, headaches, generalized fatigue, sleep difficulties, hair loss, smell disorder, decreased appetite, painful joints, dyspnea, chest pain, and cognitive dysfunction.

Up to 80% of patients experience prolonged illness after COVID-19. Furthermore, many of the symptoms of are common to COVID-19 vaccine-injured patients; indeed, both disorders are considered manifestations of “spike protein-related disease,” with a significant overlap in symptoms, pathogenesis, and treatment.

To complicate this issue further, many long COVID patients are vaccinated, and the symptomatology of vaccine-injured patients is often exacerbated by an acute COVID-19 infection.

Long COVID may persist for months after the acute infection and almost half of patients report reduced quality of life. Patients may suffer prolonged neuropsychological symptoms, including multiple domains of cognition. A puzzling feature of long COVID is that it is not predicted by initial disease severity; long COVID frequently occurs in people who had mild-to-moderate cases and in younger adults who did not require respiratory support or intensive care.

The symptom set of long COVID is, in the majority of cases, very similar to chronic inflammatory response syndrome (CIRS)/myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome. An important differentiating factor from CIRS is the observation that long COVID continues to improve on its own, albeit slowly in the majority of cases. Another important observation is that long COVID includes more young people compared to severe COVID, which affects older people or persons with comorbidities. Furthermore, the similarity between mast cell activation syndrome (MCAS) and long COVID has been observed, and many consider long COVID to be a variant of MCAS.

There are some that may have had post-covid symptoms similar to yours that -- for a number of reasons, including perhaps alternative treatments -- eventually had their symptoms subside or disappear in time. BUT: those that got vaccinated AFTER getting covid, or otherwise got covid more than once, or got vaccinated with mRNA numerous times (etc) may well exacerbate and/or prolong spike-protein related issues. There are also studies that show/suggest the synthetic spike proteins from mRNA shots, coupled with LNPs unique to covid shots, increase potential for long-term harms. As already mentioned, long-term prognosis remains TBD but not trending very well, at least for a subset of unfortunate individuals.

If you haven't yet tried the protocols referenced in the above link (or the suggestion Stickdog offered in his more recent reply), there appears to be no downside to trying it now.

[Joe Hillshoist]

I've had covid twice, a year apart each time.

Must have been Omicron because it went thru my whole body the first time, except my lungs.

Both times I've had it I haven't noticed it in my lungs at all. But the rest of my body - it was as bad or worse than a bad flu. The first time I had it that lasted up to a week and the second time it was less than a day for body aches and less than a day of insane hot and cold fever then a week of barely noticing a head cold if that. I could tell as soon as it started the second time - its a unique feeling compared to other illnesses I've had.

So obviously the vaccine did fuck all but I dunno what would have happened with the earlier variants that had greater affinity for lung tissue than post omicron variants. Maybe a vaccine made from attenuated virus would have helped the first time but its an academic question now.

Also used heaps of weed - vaped not smoked and a bunch of native and western herbal concoctions that a friend made up for me. some of them were mentioned in this thread bu Stickdog.

[Belligerent Savant]

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Unfortunately the vaccine may have done more than "fuck all" -- it may have made it worse.

Perhaps not, but perhaps so. For some, covid shots caused harms to well-being (yes, including death), For others, it didn't, depending on administration, mRNA product chosen and # of injections, extent of 'payload' per dose, placebo, etc.

For some, covid itself caused lingering harms. But it does seem that, overall, the mRNA products AT BEST did little/nothing productive, but more often than many are currently willing to acknowledge (for now), it also harmed.

[Grizzly]

There's enough evidence in this thread alone to try these motherfucker's in a court of law. And possible a death penalty. or 10.

[Joe Hillshoist]

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Unfortunately the vaccine may have done more than "fuck all" -- it may have made it worse.

Perhaps not, but perhaps so. For some, covid shots caused harms to well-being (yes, including death), For others, it didn't, depending on administration, mRNA product chosen and # of injections, extent of 'payload' per dose, placebo, etc.

For some, covid itself caused lingering harms. But it does seem that, overall, the mRNA products AT BEST did little/nothing productive, but more often than many are currently willing to acknowledge (for now), it also harmed.

I didn't have an mRNA vaccine. There are a whole bunch of other vaccines available on earth right now. Whether they escape regulatory capture in some countries is another issue.

I also know people who've had three or four mRNA vaccines and been exposed to covid and not caught it so there is no one size fits all answer to this situation.

[stickdog99]

And thus there never should have been any mandates nor any exclusions from any jobs or any travel or any anything for the unvaccinated.

Right?

[Belligerent Savant]

I also know people who've had three or four mRNA vaccines and been exposed to covid and not caught it so there is no one size fits all answer to this situation.

Likewise, but I also know many more that had 2 or more mRNA injections and had covid at least twice or more times, along with other lingering issues that may or may not be attributed to the mRNA injections. So far.

And, I know numerous people never vaccinated with a covid injection that claim they never got covid. My entire immediate family and I -- including children -- had covid once, in late 2021. We've had no notable/prolonged illness since. None of us have opted for a covid injection.

But the key point here is what stickdog touches on:

And thus there never should have been any mandates nor any exclusions from any jobs or any travel or any anything for the unvaccinated.

Right?

[Belligerent Savant]

@cliftonaduncan

I'll never not resent those who kept their heads down, and said nothing, sacrificed nothing, lost nothing.

Those who knew it was all wrong but said nothing, watching from the sidelines as lives were destroyed, standing up for no one.

Enjoy your wonderful lives, fucking cowards.

"I just didn't want to commit (professional) suicide"

I'll remember that.

Everyone who acquiesced has helped entrench a world for their children that will be worse than the one they themselves grew up in.

https://twitter.com/cliftonaduncan/stat ... 50469?s=20

Clifton Duncan
@cliftonaduncan

Actor. Singer. Writer. Podcaster. Wrong-thinker. Ambassador for the Arts. Drollery is my Love Language. Rep: British Talent Agency.

https://www.youtube.com/@CliftonADuncan

[stickdog99]

Omerta descends upon all sensitive subjects. Balkanised sensitivities. Bridling group identities. A deliberate and calculated fever.

On the 23rd of March 2023 (23/03/2023) an unelected UK government (nobody voted for it) with little little or no public support quietly and with Royal Assent, forced through the total removal of all restrictions on genetic engineering in the United Kingdom. Nobody asked for it, nobody wanted it and almost nobody knows about it. All of this is wrapped up in the language and narrative of hard headed environmental concern. It really is.

Some highlights: total deregulation of research and development, the introduction of GM food crops and animals and the introduction of genetically modified organisms into wild populations. What could possibly go right? You think I'm kidding. Labelling of any GM ingredient in food is no longer required in the United Kingdom. We cannot be informed what is in our food. From a total ban on GM to total de-regulation.

The same people soberly intoning upon this event as positive, as a necessary environmental measure are the same people who have caused mass die offs of shell fish and star fish around the UK, catastrophic pollution of rivers and coastlines, forced dredging of new sea lanes through ecologically sensitive areas and all executed in a relatively few months. The rapid privatising of entire port cities and towns continues at breakneck pace. In some cases I have seen documentary evidence that literal spooks have been parachuted into senior council positions just long enough to cast the deciding votes, sometimes burying their deed under further acts of genuine ecological terrorism even as they claim to be acting 'for the greater good'. As this beautiful country is raped to death, I wonder what it will take for us to begin fighting for our lives?

More and more areas are coming under climate lock down against their will. Clearly lessons have been learned from the past three years. Under the cover of media omerta and the cloak of apparent democratic process it's happening silently and effectively in strategic locations across the county, a fateful balkanisation of the UK has begun.

All people in social housing are being forced to accept 'smart meters', due to recent changes in government legislation, the hands of housing associations are tied (they say). But let's think about this for a moment. Energy meters which can be programmed remotely to over charge or shut off power entirely can also be hacked, either centrally (most likely) or by third parties. In either case, the entire energy supply can now (theoretically) be shut down by anyone sufficiently capable and highly motivated. Biden's promised Dark Winter is now technically achievable and without any damage to infrastructure. Remember, he promised America would destroy Nordstream and America did.

If anyone can think of an innocent rationale for the scale of vulnerability to power supplies introduced by and inherent in the smart meter I'd very much like to hear it.

The same people who assured you that 9/11 was just a dozen or so Saudi terrorists subsequently invaded Afghanistan, blamed Iraq and said Iraq was a just war, a righteous war, and who assured you that the bankers needed to be bailed out and that Bashar al Assad gassed his own people while in a fight for his life against US/NATO backed Jihadi's, those same people (by and large) told you that the alleged vaccines were safe and effective and if you didn't take them - then you'd surely murder granny. Think about the animals both wild and captive they encouraged to be injected with that shit. The same people who occupy Syria and are engineering the economic collapse of America and who couped Ukraine and who are in total control of the food supply, they want you to hate your friends and families and supply their machinery with enough of your bodies to keep it in motion just a little longer.

In the context of all that, this is at least interesting:

https://tomrenz.com/lobbyists-for-biotech-went-on-record-to-admit-that-gmo-foods-do-in-fact-impact-peoples-genetic-code/

Missouri House Testimony – BioTech Admits Gate’s GMO Factory Food IS a Gene Therapy

Biotech lobbyists in Missouri opposed to the HB1169 Gene Therapy Disclosure & Informed Consent Bill ADMIT that GMO food like the type Bill Gates is pushing to manufacture in factories WILL alter your genetics – ARE THESE FOODS GOING TO BE THE NEXT mRNA VACCINES?

HB1169 in Missouri would require disclosure of any product that would produce impacts on the human body similar to a gene therapy drug as well as requiring informed consent disclosure to include all risks and benefits – including adverse events of special interest. The language of the bill can be found at https://house.mo.gov/billtracking/bills ... 7H.01I.pdf. Naturally, big Pharma and their associates oppose disclosure and informed consent.

During official testimony in the Missouri House on the bill the lobbyists for BioTech and WashU in Missouri went on record to admit that GMO foods do in fact impact people’s genetic code. They actually opposed the bill on the basis that this law would require them to admit that all of their GMO products ARE in fact impacting people’s genetic code.

https://rumble.com/v2emku6-lobbyists-fo ... t-imp.html

Then there's this:

https://doctors4covidethics.org/covid-19-mrna-vaccines-contain-excessive-quantities-of-bacterial-dna-evidence-and-implications/

Figure 1: Map of the plasmid DNA contained in one of the bivalent Pfizer vaccine vials. Functional features are inferred from the experimentally determined DNA sequence. The gene encoding the spike protein (red), whose transcription is driven by the T7 promoter, accounts for about half of the total DNA sequence. The “NeoR/KanR” gene (light green) encodes a protein that will render bacterial cells resistant to kanamycin or neomycin, or human cells resistant to the related antibiotic G418. The yellow sequence labelled “ori” is the bacterial origin of replication; it will cause copies of the plasmid to be made within the bacterial cell. The SV40-derived elements at the top left can induce expression of G418 resistance in human cells, and they also include an origin of replication that may cause propagation of the plasmid in human cells. They are absent in Moderna’s plasmids, which are otherwise similar to Pfizer’s. See text for further details. Figure adapted from [7].

Unless I'm mistaken, as well as blood clots, myocarditis, chronic disease, shattered immune system and death, the alleged vaccines also have the capability of engineering anti-biotic resistant bacteria within the human body.

If in the preceding, if I am not describing a global war war against YOU, all of you, indiscriminately, then what is it?

...keep in mind that after the government observed all these adverse events, and after officials knew about the 7.7% clinical injury rate from the CDC’s own V-SAFE program, perfectly corroborating the VAERS data, they accelerated the approval of these shots for children and then the mandates for everyone.

https://www.conservativereview.com/horo ... 36848.html

Great post. Did you write this yourself?

If so, you need to put this on substack or something so that I can share it more easily.

[stickdog99]

Believe it or not, I am not against all vaccines. I am just wary of them because:

1. their capitalistic manufacturers are repeat offenders who bear no liability whatsoever for the harms their products cause,

2. those same capitalistic manufacturers fund the regulatory agencies, routinely hire previous regulators, and spend more on lobbying than any other industry, and

3. so few other than me seem to care about evaluating the cost and risk vs. benefit profiles of any injection these capitalists are allowed to market as a vaccine, since we all know that all "vaccines" are by definition the greatest good.

I have never gotten any of these injections because I kept waiting for effectiveness vs. safety data that was very strangely never released. I asked every doctor I worked with for any objective data showing that the overall health outcomes of vaccinated populations were better than those of demographically comparable unvaccinated populations. You know, only the data that anybody trying to decide whether to get any brand new medical intervention would need to examine before making his or her decision. Nobody was ever able to provide me with any such data. When I asked why I should get these injections, I was treated to several different variations on the "trust us; they are definitely safe, and they definitely work" theme.

I have gotten COVID once. Frankly, it sucked because it lasted too long (2 days of high fever then another week of sore throat, minor coughing, and minor aches). Same for my wife (who also never got injected, despite some health issues that could have made her vulnerable), except that she had stomach issues but no sore throat. This basically ruined our vacation because we self-quarantined until our tests came up negative. Unfortunately, we did not bring any early treatments on our vacation, and we were thus not able to treat our COVID with anything other than sleep until the worst was already long over. But we have had no ill after-effects and have not gotten COVID a second time.

In retrospect, should I or should I not have been punished by my government for my personal medical decision? Note that for almost a year I was not allowed in bars, restaurants, music venues, movie theaters, sports arenas, or public buildings. And I am still not allowed to teach my students in person. Why?

[stickdog99]

Source: See page 3

[Belligerent Savant]

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I expect this will be clear to anyone with even passing view of this thread, but my particular anger/focus/frustration/disappointment has always been with mandates and broad-scale lockdowns, which I felt were unwarranted, unethical and harmful from the onset.

Historically I've had prior vaccines, as have my children, though always well-spaced apart, and never any flu shots. The last ~3yrs however have broadened my perspectives on the vaccine/pharma industries -- and I was already cynical about it. Knowing what I know now I've no intention of any near-term/future injections of any "vaccine", for a variety of reasons I needn't articulate right now. It's increasingly clear to me, however, that too much of what is commonly accepted as "truth" in the modern era is simply not "true" -- at times, not even remotely.

But most importantly, each human should always have a choice when it comes to personal medical decisions. And yes, I apply this principle consistently for all types of medical interventions (though there are slight variations depending on circumstances and topic, and appropriate age of consent. Minors now have options available to them in certain corcumstances that in saner times would be considered grotesque forms of child abuse). And unfortunately, politics/govts have become too involved in such decisions, in any event). Especially since, specific to 'vaccines' -- even if/when a given vaccine is fully sterilizing, there is never an ethical case for mandates.

Don Wilson, LLB
@DNSWilson

A lot of people are getting upset having their conduct during covid compared to Germans supporting the rise of Nazism.

Let's recap.

A fifth of the population was legally classified as unclean. They were barred from most public spaces, including theatres, restaurants, movies, pubs, clubs, swimming pools, sporting events, concerts, conventions, etc.

To access public facilities, people had to carry a digital mark with them so authorities could confirm they weren't unclean.

The unclean were fired and barred from most jobs: education, healthcare, courts - all public sector work, most major union jobs and a wide smattering of major private employers. When they were fired, the unclean were denied employment insurance, the reasoning being that they had been fired for cause on account of being unclean.

The unclean were banned from travel on trains, planes, and chartered boats. They had no legal means of leaving the country. Even if they wanted to, they could not escape the country that obviously hated them so.

It became illegal to socialize with the unclean. They weren't allowed to attend weddings or funerals, or visit sick relatives or friends in hospital.

Special laws were made for the unclean subjecting them to house arrest if they were around a person who had recently had a positive PCR test. The unclean had to continue to cover their faces in public when universal masking was dropped.

It became socially acceptable to wish death upon the unclean in social media and in major news organizations. Public health figures and other politicians gave press conferences to shame and insult the unclean. The public developed shared pejorative names for them, and relished in insulting the unclean.

News media regularly ran polls asking if the unclean should be arrested or fined. Public figures openly and proudly spoke about witholding medically necessary healthcare from the unclean - letting them die. The unclean were removed from organ transplant lists, condemned to almost certain death.

No end date for these measures was ever suggested, no timeline given. To the contrary, this was called the "new normal".

Criticizing any of these developments made you a social pariah, and likely cost you most of your friendships and family relations, if not your job.

The lesson of the Holocaust - and of covid - isn't that Germans or Albertans or people of the 21st Century are uniquely gullible or evil. It's that for most people, "morality" is not a matter of principle, but rather of adopting what they perceive to be the dominant group ideology - even if that ideology is marked by wanton irrationality or brutal inhumanity.

Indeed, as in certain cults or gangs, the brutality or irrationality of the acts or beliefs required to signal group inclusion further entrench people into the ideology, rather than repel them; a kind of perverse sunk cost fallacy writ large.

So, yes, if you're a typical person - Albertan, Canadian or otherwise - it is overwhelmingly likely that you would have been a Nazi if you were born in Nazi Germany. If you cheered along lockdowns and mandates, that likelihood approaches certainty.

Repent.

2:19 AM · May 9, 2023

https://twitter.com/DNSWilson/status/16 ... 89376?s=20

[Joe Hillshoist]

But the key point here is what stickdog touches on:

And thus there never should have been any mandates nor any exclusions from any jobs or any travel or any anything for the unvaccinated.

Right?

Did you miss the bit about workplaces having to protect their employees from covid as per the Australian High or Federal Court. There's a case before the courts now about vaccine injury but the court already found workplaces liable in the event of death from covid caught at work.

So what about a workplace that wants to avoid that particular legal risk? Are they not free to decide not to employ or serve unvaccinated people to protect their own workers and customers and themselves from legal liability?

Don't forget that your opinion on how effective vaccines are etc etc isn't shared by the courts (and you actually may be wrong about your assumptions and beliefs in this case... or not but its kind of irrelevant to what the courts deciding the matter believe.)

[Belligerent Savant]

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Courts can be corrupted. Propaganda will influence sentiment in courts. Thankfully in the U.S. recent rulings have been swaying in the favor of ethics and fundamental human rights, at least with respect to covid-related mandates (though this is mostly moot now, as mandates have essentially been fully lifted everywhere, with a few absurd exceptions in certain Colleges, etc. I anticipate the few remaining colleges that continue to mandate covid shots will also lift their policies soon).

Part of my point is that from the very beginning, there was never justification for mandates/lockdowns. The only reason any court anywhere can even be positioned to make such a ruling is due to all the blatant mistruths, lies, etc, by health orgs and govts from the onset (as an example, for a period of time in the U.S., OSHA was given expanded powers/authority to enforce mandates and related policies for employers; this was clearly gross overreach and thankfully -- this time -- such powers were fleeting: "Supreme Court Strikes Down OSHA’s Vaccine ETS". https://www.fisherphillips.com/news-ins ... e-ets.html)

Of course a number of employers may have enacted unprecedented mandates to avoid potential for liability (liability that arose due to the propaganda/disinfo promulgated at the time). But this doesn't make it any less wrong, unethical, or utterly devoid of actual science.

It is now WIDELY acknowledged, even by the CDC and the WHO, that covid 'vaccines' DO NOT curb contagion, and also -- certainly not now in 2023 -- minimize symptoms more so than other treatment methods. And how is "covid death" determined? There are so many ways to have appealed/challenged such an absurd ruling.

So if indeed the Austrailan courts previously ruled on anything of the sort they are highly corrupt or relying on NON-science.

EDIT: from a brief search it appears the [single] case you mention is from 2021. I didn't see any reference to an appeal process for that case. In any event, the comments I typed above still apply.