Nordic » Fri Jan 15, 2016 10:17 pm wrote:I have come to the conclusion that there hasn't been an honestly counted election in a very long time. Not at the national level. And certainly not yet this century. And I don't see that changing.
It seems like nothing more than a spectator sport.
But ok call me cynical. Or bad at math.
Well, wish I could, but aye, that's a fair point.
Successful electronic manipulation on incentivizes further manipulation. If there's some kind of -- formal or informal -- Memorandum of Understanding between DNC and GOP, then there's really no vector to catch them doing it anymore.
Fraud has always existed in some form or another. And fraudulent vote tabulation has existed since voting was thought up as a neat psy-op to imbue voters with the false impression they and their opinions mattered. Some things never change (anything but their cloaks.)
Iamwhomiam » Sun Jan 17, 2016 12:44 pm wrote:Fraud has always existed in some form or another. And fraudulent vote tabulation has existed since voting was thought up as a neat psy-op to imbue voters with the false impression they and their opinions mattered. Some things never change (anything but their cloaks.)
But vote fraud has never been so easy, and voters have never been so trusting.
“The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists.” ― Joan Robinson
Watching the Democrat debate tonight and Hilary is in full attack mode. Everything she says is in full support of Obama (very pro-Obama crowd with the Black Caucus in SC), and is hitting Sanders as being anti-Obama over and over again. She has a supportive crowd, but I think nationally she's looking desperate.
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started. They could still get him out of office. But instead, they want mass death. Don’t forget that.
Iamwhomiam » Sun Jan 17, 2016 12:44 pm wrote:Fraud has always existed in some form or another. And fraudulent vote tabulation has existed since voting was thought up as a neat psy-op to imbue voters with the false impression they and their opinions mattered. Some things never change (anything but their cloaks.)
voters have never been so trusting.
I doubt that's true.
"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." - Martin Luther King Jr.
Iamwhomiam » Sun Jan 17, 2016 12:44 pm wrote:Fraud has always existed in some form or another. And fraudulent vote tabulation has existed since voting was thought up as a neat psy-op to imbue voters with the false impression they and their opinions mattered. Some things never change (anything but their cloaks.)
But vote fraud has never been so easy, and voters have never been so trusting.
Well, I'd agree with the first part, but I could not be sure that was ever true, even now. Part of that 'some things never change' bit causes me to tend to believe the challenges to maintaining such a conspiracy, and it must always be a secreted conspiracy involving more than one, have remained relatively equal throughout time.
Voters today seem to me to be less trusting of candidates than ever. But still, they vote. I do.
The Guardian once again catapults the propaganda. It is really shameless how they simultaneously try to co-opt Sanders's at least somewhat genuine populist credentials and smear him as an impractical grump. Check out the photo choices.
On the eve of the Iowa caucuses, eight years after the crushing disappointment of her defeat by Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton made her final pitch to a gymnasium packed with roughly 2,600 people.
The crowd was not just one of the largest of her campaign. It also rivaled in its enthusiasm scenes that have become synonymous with rallies held by her opponent, Bernie Sanders.
On Sunday night, Clinton delivered a resounding speech. Accompanied by her husband Bill and daughter Chelsea, the former secretary of state fashioned herself as a pragmatic progressive with a history of accomplishment to match her soaring rhetoric.
“I hope you will caucus for me. I hope you will fight for me,” she implored. “I will fight for you.”
The same night in Des Moines, around 1,700 people attended Sanders’ Sunday night rally. A crowd as large as 5,000 saw him joined by indie band Vampire Weekend at the University of Iowa on Saturday.
Hours before Clinton’s final rally, hundreds formed a line that wrapped around an entire neighborhood. They eventually packed a high school gymnasium, bustling with excitement echoed through frequent chants of “Hillary! Hillary!” and “I believe she will win.”
The positive mood has traveled with Clinton in her final stretch across Iowa, the state that on Monday begins the first nominating contest of the 2016 race. Although Clinton remains locked in a competitive battle with Sanders, she holds a slight advantage: 45% to 42% in Saturday’s final Des Moines Register poll.
In combating Sanders and his grassroots movement, Clinton has focused her message on the need to build upon and expand the legacies of the last two Democratic presidents: her husband and Barack Obama. Introducing her, Bill Clinton struck similar themes.
Makes me want to vomit.
-I don't like hoodlums. -That's just a word, Marlowe. We have that kind of world. Two wars gave it to us and we are going to keep it.
RocketMan » 01 Feb 2016 15:41 wrote:The Guardian once again catapults the propaganda. It is really shameless how they simultaneously try to co-opt Sanders's at least somewhat genuine populist credentials and smear him as an impractical grump. Check out the photo choices.
On the eve of the Iowa caucuses, eight years after the crushing disappointment of her defeat by Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton made her final pitch to a gymnasium packed with roughly 2,600 people.
The crowd was not just one of the largest of her campaign. It also rivaled in its enthusiasm scenes that have become synonymous with rallies held by her opponent, Bernie Sanders.
On Sunday night, Clinton delivered a resounding speech. Accompanied by her husband Bill and daughter Chelsea, the former secretary of state fashioned herself as a pragmatic progressive with a history of accomplishment to match her soaring rhetoric.
“I hope you will caucus for me. I hope you will fight for me,” she implored. “I will fight for you.”
The same night in Des Moines, around 1,700 people attended Sanders’ Sunday night rally. A crowd as large as 5,000 saw him joined by indie band Vampire Weekend at the University of Iowa on Saturday.
Hours before Clinton’s final rally, hundreds formed a line that wrapped around an entire neighborhood. They eventually packed a high school gymnasium, bustling with excitement echoed through frequent chants of “Hillary! Hillary!” and “I believe she will win.”
The positive mood has traveled with Clinton in her final stretch across Iowa, the state that on Monday begins the first nominating contest of the 2016 race. Although Clinton remains locked in a competitive battle with Sanders, she holds a slight advantage: 45% to 42% in Saturday’s final Des Moines Register poll.
In combating Sanders and his grassroots movement, Clinton has focused her message on the need to build upon and expand the legacies of the last two Democratic presidents: her husband and Barack Obama. Introducing her, Bill Clinton struck similar themes.
Makes me want to vomit.
Whats that you say? Coming from the Guardian. The very bastion of the left.
I'm feeling the nausea myself. (Feel The Nausea - there's an accurate slogan for her campaign) Hillary cannot be beat this time - the machinery she has built has a grind of Nixonian proportions. That's really who she reminds me of: her domestic policy will be pragmatic, Keynesian, clean environment - foreign policy will have clever triangulation and a shitload of bombs being dropped - but she will surround herself with so many corrupt motherfuckers with whom so much secret shit will be conducted that it will be extremely difficult for her to avoid scandal - just like Nixon. So, yeah, the next four years I'll be on pins and needles looking for when not if the shit hits the fan.
kool maudit » Tue Feb 02, 2016 5:18 am wrote:I don't understand why it remains socially OK, more or less, to say things like "I support Hillary Clinton".
I almost started spreading this image around but then I had to repeat this mantra to myself:
Don't want to make it look like I believe we have any say.
The Rich and the Corporate remain in their hundred-year fever visions of Bolsheviks taking their stuff - JackRiddler
