David Icke: Methods Of A Madman

[Sounder]

I wonder if somebody might ask AD for me if he considers Zionism to be a racist ideology?

Is the kind of thing that's found below, OK, not OK, but nothing worth talking about, or something more along the lines, use your own words of course, the actions of racist psychopaths who will spend any amount of money on PR necessary so that they may be able to steal other peoples property, or, proof that sounder is an anti-Semite?

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Israel wants Golan Heights oil
Last updated: Saturday, February 23, 2013 12:07 AM

That Israel has awarded its first license to drill for oil on the occupied Golan Heights to a US energy company is illegal, as unlawful as was the capture of the territory in 1967 and later its annexation.

It’s bad enough that over the decades the strategic plateau has been extensively settled by Israelis; now, Israel would like to get its hands on Syrian oil, a decision liable to have far-reaching political repercussions. The license was awarded to Genie Energy, which is headed by none other than Golan Heights resident and former IDF general and hawkish Likud Cabinet minister Effi Eitam, who fought against Syria in the 1973 war. The company’s shareholders, reports say, include Lord Jacob Rothschild and media mogul Rupert Murdoch, and one of the company’s advisers is former US Vice President Dick Cheney. The troika are all linked in one way or another with important Jewish enterprises.

Oil permits for the area were stopped 20 years ago during Israel-Syria talks, which were to include a potential return of the Golan. Israel was afraid at that time that drilling for oil on the Golan Heights might undermine future possible agreements. The talks never produced a peace deal, leaving the door wide open for Israel to start its search for oil. After Israel annexed the Golan Heights in 1981, it ruled that under the so-called Israeli Petroleum Law — the law that governs the exploration and production of gas and oil in Israel — exploratory drilling for the highly valued resource could be carried out in the region. But again, Israel’s dream bubble burst when rumors of renewed drilling under the first Netanyahu administration in 1996 were met with Syrian objections. Drilling never went forward. And now, as the two-year Syrian uprising has significantly eroded Damascus’ military and overall fighting power, Israel smells blood and sees a golden opportunity that it feels it must seize. With the Syrian revolt now threatening President Bashar Al-Assad’s rule, Israel is digging in on the Golan.
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[brekin]

slimhouse wrote:

As for the whole racist deal, II actually like Ickes take on it. Christian, Jew, Muslim, American, English, Liberal, Conservative, ad infinitum are all being played against each other and consequeantly getting fucked over by a very tiny few.
To him, rather like myself, theyre just a load of made up names when you get right down to it. Every last category of the 99.9% are humans first, and as such we should realise that we're all in this together.

See, now lets get down to brass tacks. If for the human 99.9% we are just blameless pawns being manipulated by a .1% reptile-human hybrid then what should we do to this inhuman .1%?

Because "the question" is two part. (What do you do with our reptilian overlords?) And raises the specter of what Ickes final solution is to how he defines the problem.

[barracuda]

You said you believed "human-alien hybrids exist in a tangible, walking and talking form." I asked you about evidence. I think your evidence was anecdotal in nature. I have it in my notes. You may go.

I said that in order to hear your counter for the belief, as a test. You failed it miserably. Have a ballon bouquet for your consolation prize:

we think he is mistaken or lying because a much more simpler, common reason would probably explain his sighting.

All you are saying here is that you don't accept his evidence. You don't believe him. You have promulgated your own belief system as superior to his: a simpler explanation is better.

Isn't this the exact same rationale given to discredit and sideline every aspect of the paranormative world encountered by people on a daily basis? More or less, isn't that sort of why we're here, because for most of us this razor strikes us as and exceedingly dull blade, and makes too shallow of a cut adequate for revealing the workings of the world?

This is pretty much my whole problem here. We know for a fact that simple explanations aren't necessarily at the bottom of complex events.

[Mason I Bilderberg]

You really need to ask David Icke. He says he witnessed shapeshifting human-alien hybrids, i never saw shapeshifting human-alien hybrids.

So, nothing of substance, huh? You produce an entire video surrounding David Icke and his ideas, but asked a simple question have nothing to offer but this? "Ask David Icke"?

I'm asking YOU, buddy. Have you got a counter to the eyewitnesses or are you just as full of air as the balloon bouquet UFOs you so deftly debunked?

Have you got anything at all?

Feel free to believe i robbed a bank last night because I can't prove i didn't rob a bank last night. In fact, i've done everything i can't prove i didn't do. Wait. What? You're asking me to prove a negative?

[barracuda]

I'm asking for something of substance. Whaddaya got?

What is your argument against the eyewitnesses?

[Mason I Bilderberg]

Wombaticus Rex, barracuda I feel you, thread fatigue.

But really this thread got redundant after page one because:

1. It originally was a thread about how David Icke is able to persuasively sell a crazy belief system.
2. It became apparent that some people didn't think what he was selling was crazy.

So the conversation really switches repeatedly back between those who either believe 1. or 2.
It is a logic switch that will blink on and off without end because 1 will never become 2, and vice versa.

I make a motion that only those who believe #2 raise their hand so we can explore the question of human-alien hybrids.

[American Dream]

That said, racism and "anti-Semitism" really do exist and they do have a lot to do with the concerns about David Icke, about Gilad Atzmon and about other fundamental issues that these three defenders seem to completely ignore, minimize and/or actively invalidate. And that is a problem within the context of this board- not the only problem- but a very, very real one...

This is precisely why I have raised your specific behaviour on this thread towards particularly SLAD and also slimmouse with the Mods, something I have never IIRC done on R.I. before.

At least now it is out in the open at long last, despite your previous denials that you viewed SLAD, slim or myself in this way.

Providing specific quotes is important and you should be willing to undergo the same scrutiny yourself.

I am more than willing to do that, this one though is about your behaviour to SLAD and slim.
This is not your Board. This is Jeff Wells board. My interactions with you on this thread have
been about either answering detailed specific questions on what I think or know about certain things including
Arizona Wilder
Cathy O'Brien
Alien/human hybrids

I feel sad around this as the communication structure you have set up, the Infinite Loop structure (which Elvis recognised), creates effects in the people who are at the receiving end of it which would probably deeply distress, shock and surprise you to your core if you were in their skins.

I want to talk frankly about how very angry I have been at how you treated SLAD, slim, CW and myself in this thread.

Even when I post carefully thought through, specific constructive questions to you, that are based on a context of trying to clarify and check and understand and find common ground they are unanswered.

AD, if someone says "S08, you are outta line here" - I try to listen and take that on board STAT.
It happened in this thread. You were the person who said it. I listened and took it on board.

I hope that you will do the same for me -
I would like you to question me and slad and slim and CW about what your communication has felt like in this thread. I would like you just to listen and ask questions until they say "YES, AD, that's IT, that's what it was like" In other words, Im requesting empathy.

Then when that is done, we will have a 'clean space' to actually in an NVC way, communicate about what YOUR unmet needs are around this, in a communication structure that can breath be fun and grow.

Searcher, sad to say I have lost most of my respect for you on this thread, due to your repeated bad behavior. And it reminds me so much of you pulling the same kinds of stunts again and again previously, even as I extended you good will.

So, sorry, you're going to have to start with concrete examples.

By the way, this is exactly what some of the zionist hawks did- talk about how they felt oppressed by someone having a poster about Palestinian women on their door- that it made them as (zionist hawk) jewish women feel "unsafe" as jews. They were, I suspect actually guided by ADL type organizations in pulling these stunts.

So feelings alone are not good enough, in my view...

[Canadian_watcher]

...AD's insistence that anyone who doesn't dismiss Icke whole cloth is a feeble minded unwitting anti-semite/racist.

This is your straw man, it has little to nothing to do with what I actually think.

Can we recreate the incident way back when that originally offended you? Maybe then it will jog a memory for one or both of us...

no, we really really can't. I so wish I hadn't brought it up. I only mentioned it in order to introduce the fact that this very thread of yours has been going on for at least two years in different forms. it's a shape-shifting hobby horse.

AND.. more importantly, to clear up the question of whether or not this is my "straw man" or not, please tell me what you meant by this post:

Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Cut to the fucking chase, please.

Definitely includes that but also all of Icke's "Rothschild Zionism" theory, all of Gilad Atzmon's work, etc.

Well, this certainly appears to be heading in its usually warped way.

It would appear that the implications from all of this are clear. Icke is a raging dangerous racist, along with all of his followers.

In which case AD, if that implication is aimed at me, as one of the "they", then I say in all truth to you, go fuck yourself.

Youre lying about me, which I dont mind as much as the fact that I believe you are lying to yourself.

Not saying you want to propagate racism but unfortunately you do endorse it, no matter how good your intentions...

[Mason I Bilderberg]

If somebody earnestly believes, defends or supports Icke in some way, why would it be disingenuous to ask if the earnestness extends to a belief in alien-human hybrids?

Again, this is not the issue. The issue is whether or not there is evidence, and whether or not you are able to counter that evidence. You know the evidence, you mentioned it yourself. So can you counter it or not?

You have said you believe human-alien hybrid reptilians exist in a tangible, walking and talking form because somebody said so (anecdotal evidence).

That's all i was looking for - what constitutes "evidence."

[Canadian_watcher]

see that last line in that last post of mine? That is you speaking, AD. Where you say: "Not saying you want to propagate racism but unfortunately you do endorse it, no matter how good your intentions..."

what does that mean if it doesn't mean what it says?

[Searcher08]

I am not going to HAVE to do anything, AD

I made a request of you, to ask the people mentioned how they felt ie their subjective experience as a result of your communication with them. I asked you for empathy and to be listened to.

You refused.

[barracuda]

You have said you believe human-alien hybrid reptilians exist in a tangible, walking and talking form because somebody said so (anecdotal evidence).

I lied.

That's all i was looking for - what constitutes "evidence."

Go ask Icke. Research it and get back to me.

Signing off for now, gotta go watch the sidewalk get hot. You know, important stuff.

[Canadian_watcher]

slimhouse wrote:

As for the whole racist deal, II actually like Ickes take on it. Christian, Jew, Muslim, American, English, Liberal, Conservative, ad infinitum are all being played against each other and consequeantly getting fucked over by a very tiny few.
To him, rather like myself, theyre just a load of made up names when you get right down to it. Every last category of the 99.9% are humans first, and as such we should realise that we're all in this together.

See, now lets get down to brass tacks. If for the human 99.9% we are just blameless pawns being manipulated by a .1% reptile-human hybrid then what should we do to this inhuman .1%?

Because "the question" is two part. (What do you do with our reptilian overlords?) And raises the specter of what Ickes final solution is to how he defines the problem.

ohh God, "final solution."

but oh no, no, heaven's sake it's ridiculous to think that anyone's implying anti-semitism 'round here!

[Mason I Bilderberg]

And again, can you answer the question: what is your counterpoint to the evidence - eyewitnesses - that these creatures exist?

Maybe we should poll everybody on earth. Those who have witnessed these creatures raise your hand. Those who haven't witnessed these creatures raise your hand. Majority is reality.

[Mason I Bilderberg]

Go ask Icke. Research it and get back to me.

Okay. I've done my research. When you get through it let me know. I have a question.