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Iamwhomiam » Tue Nov 01, 2016 12:09 am wrote:I don't think it's fear, Novem5er, but understanding the importance of what is best for our future.
I've never been a Hillary fan and felt her a carpetbagger after she announced her candidacy for Senator of New York. But she is the better candidate, flawed as she is. But I won't be voting for her; I'll be voting for Stein. And that's because I want to help grow a third party that is already on our NYS ballot, but not yet on other states' ballots
But if I lived in a red state or one of those that could go either way, I would vote for Clinton over Trump, knowing full well her many flaws, because of the importance of the Supreme Court appointments our next administration will promote.
Rory » 14 Oct 2016 00:07 wrote:Appologist eh. Like $hillary for Bill - has Jill threatened Trump's victims, lied about and smeared their reputations, or defended child rapists and attacked children victims?
Morty » Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:00 pm wrote:
Recent Alex Jones interview. (40 minutes. Start at 3:50 and 18:50 if you're in a hurry. And can anybody tell me if what Jones and the lawyer are saying about the underwear fits with what Hillary is saying about the underwear at 25:50?)
Iamwhomiam » 14 Oct 2016 08:39 wrote:coffin_dodger » Thu Oct 13, 2016 3:43 pm wrote:What other ideals are we talking about?
The system you are immersed in is powered by domination, heirarchy, money, the constant promotion of self-gratification and a dog eat dog mentality. The majority of people, whilst uncomfortable with the means required to sustain this status quo, balk at actually changing it. Changing means less.
The Left needs to devise a plan for super-abundancy for all.
Perhaps you'll disagree, but we are living in the most peaceful times known from history. though wars rage on. According to history, every prior social system devised has been "powered by domination, heirarchy, money, the constant promotion of self-gratification and a dog eat dog mentality."
You will never see anything resembling what we today call the "Left" "devise a plan for super-abundancy." WTF? That is exactly the system we now have in place that is the cause of conflict and our changing climate. Whatsamattawidyou?
The Left and all sane people would be happy to have clean water to drink and bathe,food enough to meet their nutritional needs, shelter from the weather, education for their children and an occupation - note I did not say Job.
Wanting more would be Right of where Left ends.
Saul Alinsky’s 12 Rules for Radicals
Here is the complete list from Alinsky.
* RULE 1: “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood. (These are two things of which there is a plentiful supply. Government and corporations always have a difficult time appealing to people, and usually do so almost exclusively with economic arguments.)
* RULE 2: “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone. (Organizations under attack wonder why radicals don’t address the “real” issues. This is why. They avoid things with which they have no knowledge.)
* RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)
* RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules. (This is a serious rule. The besieged entity’s very credibility and reputation is at stake, because if activists catch it lying or not living up to its commitments, they can continue to chip away at the damage.)
* RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)
* RULE 6: “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones. (Radical activists, in this sense, are no different that any other human being. We all avoid “un-fun” activities, and but we revel at and enjoy the ones that work and bring results.)
* RULE 7: “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news. (Even radical activists get bored. So to keep them excited and involved, organizers are constantly coming up with new tactics.)
* RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new. (Attack, attack, attack from all sides, never giving the reeling organization a chance to rest, regroup, recover and re-strategize.)
* RULE 9: “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist. (Perception is reality. Large organizations always prepare a worst-case scenario, something that may be furthest from the activists’ minds. The upshot is that the organization will expend enormous time and energy, creating in its own collective mind the direst of conclusions. The possibilities can easily poison the mind and result in demoralization.)
* RULE 10: “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog. (Unions used this tactic. Peaceful [albeit loud] demonstrations during the heyday of unions in the early to mid-20th Century incurred management’s wrath, often in the form of violence that eventually brought public sympathy to their side.)
* RULE 11: “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem. (Old saw: If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem. Activist organizations have an agenda, and their strategy is to hold a place at the table, to be given a forum to wield their power. So, they have to have a compromise solution.)
* RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)
Iamwhomiam » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:03 am wrote:5% of the national vote.
I was one of those who condemned Nader. But my issue with him is more personal. It was long ago, when we were young. It has to do with him and me and a DC elevator ride. Nobody needs to know the sordid details of what occurred during that ride. Just that it forever changed my opinion of him.
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