What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

[guruilla]

God forbid if we should criticize anything labeled "art", because that would be philistine of us. Even the most shocking, degrading depiction of ultimate horror, if done by the right people in the right setting, is suddenly excused because it's "art". How dare you judge them!

It seems clear to me that there's an overlap between the kind of creative self-expression that's attempting to process unconscious trauma and resolve it, and the kind that's feeding it and feeding off of it.

Occult style ritual abuse is the dark side of "creative self-expression" (destructive self-repression?), but it still has a creative/theatrical component and it's fueled by the same unconscious trauma content as dark fairy tales or cathartic works of art like, uh, well at this point I honestly don't know what to safely cite, but it's probably a mistake to try and argue that it's all indulgence in/cover for dark deSadian desires. Also, bright flowers and honey bees love & light stuff isn't necessarily any less pernicious, so far as distorting reality and providing a cloak for depravity goes.

I think what determines how pernicious any given artwork might be is how congruent the outer form and style is with the inner process of the artist, how aligned the product with the intent. If an artist (my brother comes to mind) uses his own creative self-expression process to generate products that provide him with social currency, then the truly cathartic aspect is going to be compromised by that; eventually he may become a kind of Dorian Gray artist, a pretender, for whom exploring the dark is not a way to shed light on it, but a way to gain power from it. Those are the artists who are recruited to serve the social agendas and whose work is promoted as delivery devices for the desired narratives and values. Weird how this idea would be seen as loony tunes at a place like RI.

It'd be nice to think gauging pure art from impure is as easy as relying on one's own aesthetic responses (I like Dionyso's doodles; I found Djurojevic's works repugnant); but that'd be kind of like basing who are the most or least likely celebrity pedophiles on how likable they are (they're actors, right)? Why assume art can't be mastered with the same lack of integrity or honesty as science, religion, or magick can be? We tend to think good art can only come from a deep soul-place, and overall I think RI's avant-guard line of art-defenders is good evidence of how thoroughly we've been conned and co-opted by Art, big A.

All that said, I don't see much in the way of art (barring those artists cited here) in Pizzagate; at best, it's people making fun of child trafficking and having a lark pretending to be satanic child rapists and murderers. Which would be pretty weird, specially for Washington elite; but I suppose these days nothing can be ruled out.

[divideandconquer]

Right now my Bayesian posterior probabilities are as follows: 10% internet hysteria ("Arch of..." , kek), 45% real cp network, 45% psy-op to justify clamping down on "fake news".

Even though I don't watch much TV anymore, I have this horrible habit of flicking it on the moment I wake up. There is nothing like a slap in the face from the Mockingbird media the moment you open your eyes. "I love the smell of napalm in the morning!" Anyway, for the last week or so, the moment I flick on the napalm, I get a lengthy lecture about how to differentiate between fact and fiction, between real news and fake news. It's actually very simple, let Mark Zuckerberg and the mockingbird media determine that for you. Then, they flash Hillary stories as examples of this "fake news" that's taking over the Internets. My eyes aren't so good, so I can't read the words but I can definitely make out her lovely face.

In an age where there’s so much active misinformation — and it’s packaged very well and it looks the same when you see it on a Facebook page or you turn on your television … if everything seems to be the same and no distinctions are made, then we won’t know what to protect. We won’t know what to fight for.--President Obama

[divideandconquer]

God forbid if we should criticize anything labeled "art", because that would be philistine of us. Even the most shocking, degrading depiction of ultimate horror, if done by the right people in the right setting, is suddenly excused because it's "art". How dare you judge them!

It seems clear to me that there's an overlap between the kind of creative self-expression that's attempting to process unconscious trauma and resolve it, and the kind that's feeding it and feeding off of it.

Occult style ritual abuse is the dark side of "creative self-expression" (destructive self-repression?), but it still has a creative/theatrical component and it's fueled by the same unconscious trauma content as dark fairy tales or cathartic works of art like, uh, well at this point I honestly don't know what to safely cite, but it's probably a mistake to try and argue that it's all indulgence in/cover for dark deSadian desires. Also, bright flowers and honey bees love & light stuff isn't necessarily any less pernicious, so far as distorting reality and providing a cloak for depravity goes.

I think what determines how pernicious any given artwork might be is how congruent the outer form and style is with the inner process of the artist, how aligned the product with the intent. If an artist (my brother comes to mind) uses his own creative self-expression process to generate products that provide him with social currency, then the truly cathartic aspect is going to be compromised by that; eventually he may become a kind of Dorian Gray artist, a pretender, for whom exploring the dark is not a way to shed light on it, but a way to gain power from it. Those are the artists who are recruited to serve the social agendas and whose work is promoted as delivery devices for the desired narratives and values. Weird how this idea would be seen as loony tunes at a place like RI.

It'd be nice to think gauging pure art from impure is as easy as relying on one's own aesthetic responses (I like Dionyso's doodles; I found Djurojevic's works repugnant); but that'd be kind of like basing who are the most or least likely celebrity pedophiles on how likable they are (they're actors, right)? Why assume art can't be mastered with the same lack of integrity or honesty as science, religion, or magick can be? We tend to think good art can only come from a deep soul-place, and overall I think RI's avant-guard line of art-defenders is good evidence of how thoroughly we've been conned and co-opted by Art, big A.

All that said, I don't see much in the way of art (barring those artists cited here) in Pizzagate; at best, it's people making fun of child trafficking and having a lark pretending to be satanic child rapists and murderers. Which would be pretty weird, specially for Washington elite; but I suppose these days nothing can be ruled out.

guru, not that you need to hear this from me, but I just gotta say, you always hit it right outta the park...every single post.

[slomo]

Right now my Bayesian posterior probabilities are as follows: 10% internet hysteria ("Arch of..." , kek), 45% real cp network, 45% psy-op to justify clamping down on "fake news".

Even though I don't watch much TV anymore, I have this horrible habit of flicking it on the moment I wake up. There is nothing like a slap in the face from the Mockingbird media the moment you open your eyes. "I love the smell of napalm in the morning!" Anyway, for the last week or so, the moment I flick on the napalm, I get a lengthy lecture about how to differentiate between fact and fiction, between real news and fake news. It's actually very simple, let Mark Zuckerberg and the mockingbird media determine that for you. Then, they flash Hillary stories as examples of this "fake news" that's taking over the Internets. My eyes aren't so good, so I can't read the words but I can definitely make out her lovely face.

In an age where there’s so much active misinformation — and it’s packaged very well and it looks the same when you see it on a Facebook page or you turn on your television … if everything seems to be the same and no distinctions are made, then we won’t know what to protect. We won’t know what to fight for.--President Obama

I love that NYT ("all the news that supports our predetermined narrative") is going to tell us what news is "fake", and that Mark Zuckerberg ("we offer clandestine redlining services to our clients") is going to protect us from those bad men from the alt-right.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Of all of this data, the police sketches supposedly linking the Podestas to McCann is the weakest and I think the most likely thing to be unadulterated well-poisoning. Why would two of the most powerful players in Washington who (if they belong to high-power pedophile-rings) have unlimited access to children do their own kidnapping? It makes no sense at all.

The whole thing is weak but you've got the critical thinking skills of a decapitated newt so you didn't notice.

So civil. He totally deserved that! Thanks for setting us all straight, and for your righteous defense of the poor Podesta family. Your attitude is just what I love about this place.

Have a look at the post directly after yours.

Once upon a time 20 people (probably including jeff) would have ripped so much of this apart by now that if there was anything worth examining in all the chantroll rubbish it would still be laid bare and the rest would have been scoured for bullshit.

I'm not defending the Podesta family either. If you want to show something they have done wrong do it properly. Don't rely on art you don't like, stupid comments, an inability to tell the difference between a sketch and a specific individual and a bunch of stuff made up by known trolls.

[guruilla]

At some point a few days ago, I noticed Reddit analyzing an image of a Capitoline Wolf statue in Europe or something, pulled from a suspect's social media account, noting the whole babies-sucking-animal-teats thing, speculating about Antinous, and...that was it. Disappointing. They were getting so close to Latin School and whatever Secret History type shit has been going on there for decades. Which I happened to find myself in the unknowing epicenter of. I was assigned classes with all the legacy creeps. They must've assumed I was one of them, because someone in the Headmaster's Office back then surely knew much, much more about my evil uncle Nino than I did. And then after graduation I wound up reuniting with classmates I hadn't really been friends with during school, dating one female classmate, then another. That phase of my life lasted, oh, 10 years. During which I suspect I was being constantly gaslighted by them, the second group especially. Something about my bloodline, in their generationally-conscious black magick paradigm of the world, I am assuming, made me an appealing target. See, it wasn't just my evil uncle Nino. His father was a serial rapist black magick adept, too. My grandfather. My evil grandfather. Whose sister kidnapped my grandmother, with the help of evil friends. And then my grandmother was raped. And per the Sicilian custom, that meant she was forced to marry him and bear him Rosemary's Babies or something, I don't know what. But definitely evil intentions, whatever they were. My grandfather impregnated her 10 times. The first, a family secret for decades, was supposedly a tragic miscarriage. My father was the second-to-last. My grandfather terrorized my father in the basement. (Not sure about sexual abuse...the evil prick seems to have preferred girls for that.) Tied him up, and brutally beat and whipped the shit out of him, many many times. For no reason. Probably just because my father was so indomitably innocent and optimistic, and black magick cunts apparently love defiling people like that. As I mentioned before, my evil uncle raped my father, too. My father caught him raping a cousin years later, and nearly killed him with his bare hands. Though he was brave, and though I feel he ultimately prevailed in his life over both of the ghouls, he was still scarred by the early trauma and felt too trapped by reflexive loyalty to speak the truth and stand up for himself and object to the rest of his family's deluded pretend-everything-is-okay routine and wistful laments for the two dead demons. But so, I am standing up for him, now. And I am standing up for my grandmother, Nana, too. Whatever evil agenda drove my grandfather and uncle's crimes, is being Blown The Fuck Out, by me, right now. This is like the Marathon thread. Folks, I am part of the story. This thread already should be news. I am exposing the presence of satanic pedophile ghouls at Boston Latin School, a shrine of American democracy. (p.s. For years the alumni records at the school's Association were hosted, unprotected, in the offices of Earle Cooley, the unscrupulous head attorney for the Church of Scientology.) Can someone tip off Reddit, please?

There's a helluva lot here to process and sort, 4B. I'm tempted to say "Start at the beginning..." Maybe RI isnt the place for this kind of deep excavations anymore but I for one am interested in your story; there's no substitute for direct involvement/experiential testimonies. A lot harder for the "skeptics" to scorn too, since it goes against their PC-training.

Re: reddit: can't you tip them off yourself? Last I heard anyone could post there.

[Joe Hillshoist]

I think the insult was also directed at me, which I find ... ironic, given what I do for a living. But whatever, people can apply critical thinking in some areas and not others.

I too find it extraordinarily interesting how people here (of all places) are rushing to defend these guys. I mean, I understand that none of the evidence yet uncovered would convict Podesta, Alefantis et al. in a court of law (except possibly for technical child abuse, i.e. the picture of that child restrained by masking tape, and even then probably not because the perp's face isn't shown). At best, it substantiates an assertion about our civilization, i.e. that it is run by pedophiles, human traffickers and serial killers from very high up. A fact that has actually been documented several times in the past (mostly in Europe), so in some ways Pizzagate is gratuitous. But if enough dots can be connected this time, it may be the straw that breaks the camel's back in terms of public opinion about the true nature of our civilization. Not holding my breath, though.

It was actually you that really inspired me to post that as a dig cos I know that your RL income comes from thinking critically. (And a stupuid comment in another thread about racism not existing anymore... obviously guru needs to ground his ideas more.)

Think about this re that bold bit - you don't know where that picture came from, or its context (I haven't seen it and don't want to). It might be from a facility outside the US where laws aren't as strict. It nmight be from a child care cente where the staff could no longer cope with a child (for whatever reason) and lost their sense opf reason and decided to restrain the child. Maybe it was a threat to other kids. You don't know so assuming it was some sort of ra abuse is not necessarily an accurate assumption. (It may be but we don't know.)

I accept maybe it wasn't but until you know the context you don't know what happened and cannot say for sure why a child was restrained. In Australia that stuff happens. Usually to kids with behavioural problems in schools or facilities without the resources to cope. And we're sposed to be an enlightened society where that stuff doesn't happen any more. (BTW I consider those things to be types of abuse too, but not coming from the same place necessarily as what the Podesta's et al are accused of.)

You should see some of the shit that happens in juvenile detention.

At best, it substantiates an assertion about our civilization, i.e. that it is run by pedophiles, human traffickers and serial killers from very high up. A fact that has actually been documented several times in the past (mostly in Europe), so in some ways Pizzagate is gratuitous. But if enough dots can be connected this time, it may be the straw that breaks the camel's back in terms of public opinion about the true nature of our civilization. Not holding my breath, though.

Have a look at the list of republican child sex offenders I posted a few pages back. If that factual information doesn't open peoples eyes to the world being run by abusive rapist scum who stop at nothing what makes anyone think making up sensational stories about artists putting on meals of cannibalised children will. If that list doesn't substantiate your assertion on its own nothing ever will. But its banal and everyday, like most evil.

How many UFOs did you see blow up the WTC? I counted at least 42.

[Joe Hillshoist]

There's a helluva lot here to process and sort, 4B. I'm tempted to say "Start at the beginning..." Maybe RI isnt the place for this kind of deep excavations anymore but I for one am interested in your story; there's no substitute for direct involvement/experiential testimonies. A lot harder for the "skeptics" to scorn too, since it goes against their PC-training.

Re: reddit: can't you tip them off yourself? Last I heard anyone could post there.

Don't you see how associating stories like 4B's with unsubstantiated sensationalism that came from a partisan political campaign discredits what he is saying in other people's eyes?

[Agent Orange Cooper]

No, that's mis/dis-info. De Dionyso.

OK, I thought so. I met and had dinner with Arrington de Dionyso at a show when I was tagging along with my friend's band on tour, and he regularly plays shows with friends of mine in Portland. I dunno, he seems like just a guy. A little pretentious but hardly someone I would associate with this level of heinousness. Another friend of mine would qualify as an occultist, & his recent record functioned as an invocation of Pinhead (from Hellraiser). That doesn't mean he's secretly skinning people alive in his basement.

Not saying it's impossible, but I do think there should be a distinction drawn between 'artists' and the employment of those artists by those in charge of commissioning their work, ie, the owners of Comet Pizza. To say, as some seem to be, that Arrington is implicated in a pedo-cult because of a sketchy painting he drew, probably one of hundreds, smacks of witch-hunt logic. He is far from a millionaire, not a high-profile person at all.

EDIT: just saw guruilla said about as much, more eloquently. it pays to read!

[Agent Orange Cooper]

r/pizzagate: BANNED

https://www.reddit.com/r/pizzagate/comm ... t_4pm_pst/

[guruilla]

r/pizzagate: BANNED

https://www.reddit.com/r/pizzagate/comm ... t_4pm_pst/

We don’t want witchhunts on our site.

The future of RI?

[OP ED]

There's a helluva lot here to process and sort, 4B. I'm tempted to say "Start at the beginning..." Maybe RI isnt the place for this kind of deep excavations anymore but I for one am interested in your story; there's no substitute for direct involvement/experiential testimonies. A lot harder for the "skeptics" to scorn too, since it goes against their PC-training.

Re: reddit: can't you tip them off yourself? Last I heard anyone could post there.

Don't you see how associating stories like 4B's with unsubstantiated sensationalism that came from a partisan political campaign discredits what he is saying in other people's eyes?

I don't see how he could not see that. Misery loves company?

[Burnt Hill]

There's a helluva lot here to process and sort, 4B. I'm tempted to say "Start at the beginning..." Maybe RI isnt the place for this kind of deep excavations anymore but I for one am interested in your story; there's no substitute for direct involvement/experiential testimonies. A lot harder for the "skeptics" to scorn too, since it goes against their PC-training.

Re: reddit: can't you tip them off yourself? Last I heard anyone could post there.

Don't you see how associating stories like 4B's with unsubstantiated sensationalism that came from a partisan political campaign discredits what he is saying in other people's eyes?

I don't see how he could not see that. Misery loves company?

It is narcissistic manipulation and it is abusive in itself.

[82_28]

I don't know whether this belongs here but just a brief observation:

My girlfriend flinches when I give her a fake punch to her cheek when I am kidding around. Much like my departed dog did when she would see my feet -- she would run away. She obviously had been kicked around before I adopted her. Maybe so, maybe no.

I asked her if she had been beaten around before. She said no. But her flinch comes automatically. So, I don't believe her in that regard. I don't think that people flinch around people they love if something awful hasn't happened before. I dunno. Just gonna take her word for it. But something triggers her.

(For the record, I have never punched anyone)

[guruilla]

I don't know whether this belongs here but just a brief observation:

My girlfriend flinches when I give her a fake punch to her cheek when I am kidding around. Much like my departed dog did when she would see my feet -- she would run away. She obviously had been kicked around before I adopted her. Maybe so, maybe no.

I asked her if she had been beaten around before. She said no. But her flinch comes automatically. So, I don't believe her in that regard. I don't think that people flinch around people they love if something awful has happened before. I dunno. Just gonna take her word for it. But something triggers her.

I think you mean hasn't, right?

For pizzahunters there's this site still active: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/