What's Happening? It? (TRIGGERS UPON TRIGGERS)

[Nordic]

Hm that might explain why he never gets suspended, no matter how rude and abusive he gets. If I talked the way he does I'd probably be banned forever.

1) I've suspended him like 5x just this year?

2) You do talk exactly like he does, you cantankerous fuck. I still love you both.

1). I was unaware of that.

2.). Maybe that's why he annoys me so much.

[slomo]

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1448645

That right there ^^^^ is a thread where people are examining claims made in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaM3GIEX0yU that:

1. Virginia has 2nd highest number of reported missing Children (1st California), most of missing Children come from 3 counties close to DC.
2. There is a HUGH surging of missing Children in last few months, suspect correlated with Halloween. (Someone comments below, most reported missing Children maybe found within days, so we need verify status of these statistics.)
3. Lack [of] pictures of many missing Children in Virginia database, this only happens in Virginia.

Hmmm ... is this is true, I wonder?

Towards an answer, earlier today:

...

Population normalized numbers below. I could not find specific numbers of children under 18 by state (I'm sure it exists, but I don't have time to hunt it down, so I just used total population). "Rate" is # missing per 1 million. "Low" is the lower 95% confidence interval, "Hi" is the upper 95% confidence interval. Actually, some of the rural states look more alarming (e.g. Alaska and Nevada), although Maryland and Florida are pretty high. Virginia is extremely high!!

Note #1: I used "code" formatting for easy reading. Note #2: confidence intervals calculated via possion regression model.

Code: Select all

State        Pop  Num    Rate      Lo      Hi
AL     4,822,023   33    6.84    4.87    9.63
AK       731,449   14   19.14   11.34   32.32
AZ     6,553,255  120   18.31   15.31   21.90
AR     2,949,131   24    8.14    5.45   12.14
CA    38,041,430  588   15.46   14.26   16.76
CO     5,187,582   68   13.11   10.34   16.63
CT     3,590,347   23    6.41    4.26    9.64
(DC)     917,092    6    6.54    2.94   14.56
DE       632,323    8   12.65    6.33   25.30
FL    19,317,568  354   18.33   16.51   20.34
GA     9,919,945   89    8.97    7.29   11.04
HI     1,392,313   15   10.77    6.49   17.87
ID     1,595,728   18   11.28    7.11   17.90
IL    12,875,255  132   10.25    8.64   12.16
IN     6,537,334   59    9.03    6.99   11.65
IA     3,074,186    9    2.93    1.52    5.63
KS     2,885,905   28    9.70    6.70   14.05
LA     4,601,893   33    7.17    5.10   10.09
ME     1,329,192    6    4.51    2.03   10.05
MD     5,884,563  108   18.35   15.20   22.16
MA     6,646,144  113   17.00   14.14   20.44
MI     9,883,360   91    9.21    7.50   11.31
MN     5,379,139   36    6.69    4.83    9.28
MS     2,984,926   24    8.04    5.39   12.00
MO     6,021,988   59    9.80    7.59   12.65
MT     1,005,141    8    7.96    3.98   15.92
NE     1,855,525   31   16.71   11.75   23.76
NV     2,758,931   54   19.57   14.99   25.56
NH     1,320,718   12    9.09    5.16   16.00
NJ     8,864,590   55    6.20    4.76    8.08
NM     2,085,538   37   17.74   12.85   24.49
NY    19,570,261  194    9.91    8.61   11.41
NC     9,656,401   67    6.94    5.46    8.82
ND       699,628    7   10.01    4.77   20.99
OH    11,544,225  120   10.39    8.69   12.43
OK     3,814,820   88   23.07   18.72   28.43
OR     3,899,353   54   13.85   10.61   18.08
PA    12,763,536  109    8.54    7.08   10.30
RI     1,050,292    2    1.90    0.48    7.61
SC     4,723,723   45    9.53    7.11   12.76
SD       833,354    2    2.40    0.60    9.60
TN     6,456,243   70   10.84    8.58   13.70
TX    26,059,203  329   12.63   11.33   14.07
UT     2,855,287   17    5.95    3.70    9.58
VT       626,011    6    9.58    4.31   21.33
VA     8,185,867  398   48.62   44.07   53.64
WA     6,897,012   90   13.05   10.61   16.04
WV     1,855,413    4    2.16    0.81    5.74
WI     5,726,386   33    5.76    4.10    8.11
WY       576,412    7   12.14    5.79   25.47

[Joe Hillshoist]

Well here's one actual missing child to consider.




Also who's keeping track of the Haitian children?

What sort of campaigner invites the whole world to spam grieving parents with information that might be true but might also be completely bullshit?



Also - who else lives within a third of a mile of where Madeline McCann went missing? Is he the only potentially dodgy person in the area? Why would house proximity mean anything anyway? If you kidnap a kid surely its like when you grab someone who owes you money. Once you have them in the car boot or van they are invisible until, well possibly they may never see the light of day again. Proximity of a "safe" house doesn't mean anything.

There are some interesting coincidences sure.

And the sketch doesn't help, but how many other people look remotely like that? Heaps of them imo.

One of the sketches looks nothing like the guy imo (Tony I presume) but the other (John?) is very similar.

Its meaningless tho, I know more than one person who looks like that (John?) and plenty more that look like the other bloke. were there any other similar looking people in the vacinity when it happened? BTW None of the hairlines on the sketches match the photos. Are the photos that we see of the Podestas that look like the kidnappers recent or are they closer to 10 years old like the sketches themselves? Specifically did they look like that in 2007 or did they look different?

It might be less meaningless if some or all those questions were answered one way or the other.




The thing with these tenuous connections is that they need to lead to more stable and stronger connections instead of other tenuous ones.

[Nordic]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06 ... nch-after/

How Clement Freud invited Kate and Gerry McCann for lunch after Madeleine disappeared
by Gordon Rayner, Chief Reporter
14 June 2016 • 9:27pm


Kate and Gerry McCann were two months into the search for their missing daughter Madeleine when they received a letter out of the blue.

It was from Sir Clement Freud, inviting them for a meal at his holiday home in Praia da Luz, a short drive from the Ocean Club, where Madeleine had vanished on May 3, 2007.

“I’m embarrassed to admit that Gerry and I thought this letter was a hoax,” Mrs McCann wrote in her book, Madeleine.

Gerry McCann phoned the number on the letter, discovered it was not a prank, and the next day the McCanns were at Freud’s villa with their twins Sean and Amelie, plus three friends who had stayed in Portugal to help them.

Freud, 83, broke the ice by offering them strawberry vodka.

“I’m usually very intimidated by people with brains the size of planets,” wrote Mrs McCann, “but Clement was incredibly warm, funny and instantly likeable.”

He cooked a “bloody marvellous” meal of watercress and egg salad followed by a chicken and mushroom risotto, “the best risotto we’ve ever tasted before or since”.

Mrs McCann wrote: “Clement cheered us up with his lugubrious wit, and would continue to do so by email after his return to England.”

By August 31, after spending a few weeks in England, Freud was back in Portugal and called Gerry McCann as soon as he arrived.

Freud made a joke out of newspaper reports that Mr McCann was close to a breakdown. “Thank God for people like Clement who kept us smiling,” Mrs McCann wrote.

On the day the McCanns were formally made suspects in the investigation in September 2007, they had been due to go to dinner at Freud’s house again, but cancelled it.

Nevertheless, he rang them at 9.50pm that night to invite them for a drink, while warning them: “You’ll have to forgive my night-time attire.”

Mrs McCann recalled: “We found Clement watching a cookery programme, dressed, as promised, in his nightshirt. It was so ordinary and comforting, a bit like going to see your grandad after a horrible day at school.

“He gave me one of his looks and a giant glass of brandy, and managed to get a smile out of me with his greeting: ‘So, Kate, which of the devout Catholic, alcoholic, depressed, nymphomaniac parts is correct?’

“His response to our catalogue of horrors was merely to raise an eyebrow. Clement had this way of making everything seem a little less terrible. When he heard about the [sniffer] dogs [which had indicated the scent of death in the McCann’s hire car], he remarked laconically, ‘So what are they going to do? Put them on the stand? One bark for yes, two for no?’

“He was right, of course; it was ridiculous. A couple of hours later, fortified by our brandies (it was my first-ever taste of the stuff), some useful snippets of advice and several amusing anecdotes, we left our friend feeling quite a bit better than we had when we’d arrived.”



ETA2: And more of this story in the Daily Mirror:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/po ... ry-8194041

Police warned of link between 'predatory paedophile' Clement Freud and family of Madeleine McCann

I just hope he didn't serve the parents their own daughter. Really.

[Nordic]

But it's ok, you can trust this guy:

Sylvia said the grooming began when Freud was 24 and she was 10 after her parents moved to the south of France where he was a hotel manager.

She claimed Freud, the grandson of psychoanalyst Sigmund Freud, first assaulted her as they sat on the back of a bus a year later.

Breaking down in tears, she recalled: “I was disgusted and felt helpless. I was feeling something was not quite right but I didn’t know what it was. I didn’t react in any way. I didn’t know what to do.”

Sylvia claims she felt unable to tell her mother about the incident and was later sent to live with Freud and his actress wife Jill in London in the early 1950s when the abuse began to escalate.

She said he attacked her in his bed one morning after Jill went to make breakfast and would regularly visit her room late at night to abuse her.

Sylvia said she left the family home after telling Freud’s nanny that he had assaulted her and was later accused by Jill of inventing the claims. She said: “I was left totally and utterly destroyed.”

Sylvia claimed he blamed her for the alleged abuse when she confronted him in the House of Commons when she was in her early 40s. “I said ‘why me?’

“He said I was a very sensual little girl.”

The real question here, is did this creepy fucking monster know the Podestas? Did he loan his house to them? We do know that Freud was quite close to other pedophiles:

One paragraph from the biography of Sir Clement Freud is especially worthy of note:

QUOTE

"Sir Clement Freud later moved into journalism before beginning a 14-year career in the House of Commons in 1973, where he shared an office with Cyril Smith, who was subsequently exposed as a serial paedophile."

[Nordic]

http://truthfeed.com/breaking-bombshell ... ase/34348/

John Podesta’s first email on Wikileaks is dated May 4th 2007.

Per Wikipedia Madeline disappeared May 3rd 2007.

Did John Podesta WIPE HIS EMAILS the day after Madeline disappeared to destroy evidence?

The abduction occurred in Portugal, where Wikileaks emails show was a destination Podesta traveled to.

And we know that "Besta" means "Beast" in Portuguese.



Complete with its own very clear pedophile secret symbol.

Maybe we haven't found the fire yet, but the smoke is suffocating.

[slomo]

Another factoid: Mark Thompson (NYT CEO) covered up the evidence re: Jimmy Savile when he worked for BBC. Recall that the NYT was the first major newspaper to rush in and dismiss PG.

Yes, circumstantial evidence. But very suspicious...

Clarification: I am not presenting this as evidence (circumstantial or otherwise) of guilt of any party associated with PG. Rather, I am presenting it as evidence that the mainstream debunkers are not to be trusted.

[Agent Orange Cooper]

Also who's keeping track of the Haitian children?

this is the question that gives me the most trouble sleeping at night, what with the, you know, possibly manufactured nature of some of these disastrous earthquakes and all (look at CA Fitts on insider trading before certain natural disasters, for instance), and the Clinton Foundation's so obviously earnest and pure desire to help that poor country and...all its children.

let's call a spade a spade: they hit the island with an earthquake intentionally and in the aftermath raid it for children to abuse and murder, which I would imagine is just one of many side benefits of the whole operation. no doubt I will be pilloried here for even suggesting this, but imagine that sort of thing getting out, if it were true? I'd be more surprised if it wasn't, sadly.

[Jerky]

Joe, thanks for your valuable (and occasionally flattering) contributions to this thread, but I gotta ask... are you sure RAW ever fiddled kiddies? Are you perhaps mistaking him for Peter Lamborn Wilson?

J.

Speaking of evidence:

That the significance of Pizzagate is still in question at a board of this sort is mind-boggling in and of itself. Sure, a lot of the evidence is circumstantial and there isn't yet any proof of children being victimized (unless you consider sick jokes victimization, which I would); but that's irrelevant in terms of whether what evidence there is so far is worth examining with an eye to investigating further.

Yep.

So "pizzagate" is accusing people of raping and eating children but has no proof of children being victimized.

It makes a mockery of this board and of real victims of actual, real organised networks of pedophiles that someone would treat this like their own personal jesus complex, save the world crusade. Furthermore it discredits any potential further actual investigation into potentially real crimes by the people you are targeting without any proof of children being victimized.

You are poisoning the well.

If i was interested in covering up this sort of shit and making it harder to deal with in court or expose then people like you would be my first targets. I'd be using you to muddy the waters from day one.

To paraphrase that well known kiddie fiddler RAW:

Whenever i start believing my own bullshit I try and stop myself and ask "Whose useful idiot am i being right now."

[Jerky]

Yeah, I couldn't help but have a chuckle at Nordic the Manly Viking's bitchy little whine-fest, there, too.

Oh well... I guess if you're scared of anyone whose skin is of a darker shade than loose-leaf paper, you're gonna do a lot of whining.

J.

Hm that might explain why he never gets suspended, no matter how rude and abusive he gets. If I talked the way he does I'd probably be banned forever.

1) I've suspended him like 5x just this year?

2) You do talk exactly like he does, you cantankerous fuck. I still love you both.

[Jerky]

Having shared that, I can confidently sit back and wait for the scornful remarks about how this is just a mom talking abut her kids & using jokey language, or whatever. What I can also be confident about is that no one will follow it up or try to find out a bit more about the context, the players involved, and ascertain if there might be anything sinister about this, or not. That's clearly not what RI is about, if it ever was.
.

Guess what? That is PRECISELY what that email was... a family friend letting someone know that their kids will be coming along. There is NOTHING suspicious about that email to a sane person whose head isn't jam packed with fantasies of cannibal baby fucking satanist cults, like yours is. Even half of THOSE idiots (people like you) don't believe this one anymore (despite the fact that there are literally a thousand plus links - all to alt.right and pro-fascist websites coincidentally - still trying to peddle this lie like a right-wing Christian conservative meth-maker trying to peddle her 10 year old daughter's ass to the local pastor in between rounds of investigating Pizzagate on the InfoWars page).

And do you know how people know that? Because they did the investigating that you CLAIM to be doing, but AREN'T because you're too busy sniffing your goddamn fingers like the fucking masturbatory fantasist pedo-fetishist that you in your deepest heart of hearts so clearly and obviously are.

So when you finally realize that THIS lie has gone up in smoke like all the others, which one will you desperately latch on to next, Guru? I'm waiting, and curious.

J.

[Jerky]

well, that PHOTO of the alleged aussie perp has already been debunked (which is admitted at the link you provide) so along with Guru's "Hot Tub Pedo Party", that's ANOTHER one biting the dust.

Shall we go on with this idiocy?

Oh, DO LET'S!

J.

PS - I don't see anything wrong with the way you're engaging with this topic, just fyi. But I do urge you to be EXTREMELY careful. A lot of people are getting fucked in very unsavory ways by this baseless witch-hunt. This is making what happened to Marilyn Manson in the wake of Columbine look like child's play.

I was trying to stay away from this toxic thread, but what the hell.

There was a Voat thread that linked to Urban Dictionary via Wayback machine (prior to 2015), showing that "ping pong" has most definitely been used to refer to a sex act, long before PG.

In another Voat thread an Australian said that he recognized one of the adults depicted in an Instagram photo, assumed to be part of JA's club (from the Instagram comments) is actually a convicted Aussie perp, a soccer player nabbed in the US trying to score with a 6-year-old. A graphic with side-by-side pics of the two faces seems very convincing.

http://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1450635

Side note: I do remember the photo of the two guys in shorts being part of the corpus taken from JA's instagram, so it is not a new addition to the data set.

All of this evidence is circumstantial, but there sure is a lot of it. I do realize there is the potential for lots of confirmation bias here. I still think this could be a psy-op built on top of real data, but data that is circumstantial enough so that many people (including authorities) can safely ignore.

[slomo]

well, that PHOTO of the alleged aussie perp has already been debunked (which is admitted at the link you provide) so along with Guru's "Hot Tub Pedo Party", that's ANOTHER one biting the dust.

Shall we go on with this idiocy?

Oh, DO LET'S!

J.

PS - I don't see anything wrong with the way you're engaging with this topic, just fyi. But I do urge you to be EXTREMELY careful. A lot of people are getting fucked in very unsavory ways by this baseless witch-hunt. This is making what happened to Marilyn Manson in the wake of Columbine look like child's play.

I was trying to stay away from this toxic thread, but what the hell.

There was a Voat thread that linked to Urban Dictionary via Wayback machine (prior to 2015), showing that "ping pong" has most definitely been used to refer to a sex act, long before PG.

In another Voat thread an Australian said that he recognized one of the adults depicted in an Instagram photo, assumed to be part of JA's club (from the Instagram comments) is actually a convicted Aussie perp, a soccer player nabbed in the US trying to score with a 6-year-old. A graphic with side-by-side pics of the two faces seems very convincing.

http://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1450635

Side note: I do remember the photo of the two guys in shorts being part of the corpus taken from JA's instagram, so it is not a new addition to the data set.

All of this evidence is circumstantial, but there sure is a lot of it. I do realize there is the potential for lots of confirmation bias here. I still think this could be a psy-op built on top of real data, but data that is circumstantial enough so that many people (including authorities) can safely ignore.

Yes, I will concede that the Aussie pic has been debunked. Was debunked after I had linked to it.

I notice, however, that you have nothing to say about NYT. I.e., that the official debunkers are probably compromised. Or that "ping-pong" does actually have a double-entendre that could be taken as sinister in this context.

I've admitted all along that the "evidence" here is all circumstantial, probably by design if this is anything at all. I'm still actually on the fence. But to the extent that it could actually be something, it's worth discussing until it is very clear that nothing is going on.

For all of those people who are crying crocodile tears because someone's "privacy" has been invaded, keep in mind that the Instagram photos were public and (for the most part) all of the info is public record. I absolutely do not approve of breaking into to people's password-protected data, and other invasions of privacy, but actually very little of that has happened except for the Podesta emails. On the other hand, I have zero sympathy for Alefantis. He got himself into this mess by posting sick pictures suggestive of child abuse, and his partner (ex?) is an asshole. Alefantis may not be criminal, but all this negative attention is probably bad karma for being such a douchebag.

And, finally, Jerky: with your "excellent" taste in art and commitment to a totally self-centered worldview, you have zero credibility with me. I mean as a person, not as a researcher.

[divideandconquer]

There's obviously some confusion, or disagreement, about what this board (or thread) is for, not to mention what constitutes serious investigation.

Some people (JH, Jerky) want the thread to be more of a "social" kind of thing, where they get to vent their dislike of people they don't like and mock them or smugly correct them for their mistaken ideas about evidence and the like, rather than, I dunno, focusing on the evidence and ignoring anything they think isn't worth following up? If they were genuinely interested in getting to the bottom of Pizzagate, that's what they'd be doing.

The data I provided about Alefantis possibly lying about his basement, JH made a fair point that it's less than damning, but then couldn't resist the opportunity for accusations and one-up-man-ship (sigh). So now I'm a well poisoner because I'm not proceeding as if I was in a court of law (or sufficiently afraid of ending up in one), by daring to look at evidence of child abuse without having any proof that anyone has actually been victimized.

Maybe someone can explain to Joe that, if a killer buries the bodies, they can be quite hard to find, so that leaves looking for clues or incriminating behavior. Maybe eventually bodies will turn up; but if your criteria for investigating a murder is having a body, then it's a safe bet they never will.

This sort of "logic" is at play in Orthodox Jewish Communities (see Michael Lesher), with their ruling against reporting child sexual abuse without strong evidence that the reports are true. This prevents evidence from being found, of course, since without the reports, no one knows where to look. Convenient, isn't it?

JH (like Peter Levenda, and countless other sophists these days) seems happy to apply this sort of "rigorous" journalistic standard in the interests of preventing a "witch hunt," i.e., anyone looking too closely at circumstantial evidence, or daring to speculate based on anything less than a smoking gun or a disinterred corpse.

It's either disconnected from reality or disingenuous, I don't know which. If evidence is bad, there's no real harm in sharing it because it will only lead to a dead end anyway (crying "witch hunt" when it's one or two guys and not a pitch fork in sight is pretty silly). I posted the basement thing as another possibly anomalous (hence significant) fact for the record, not to prove my case (I also posted Alefantis' NPR denials, was that supposed to support my case too?). But RI seems to be more a bunch of guys measuring their ding-dongs than anything else these days.

I still don't get why people who think Pizzagate's a waste of time care if other people are researching it or not; I know enough to stay away from the threads I consider time-wasters, guess what, because I don't want to waste my time! It's the same reason I filter out so many posters here, because I know that whenever they ever respond to me, it will only be to try and drag me through the muck or to discredit me on the board, either for their own satisfaction or to signal to others not to take me seriously, never to sincerely engage any points I might be trying to make. There are only so many hours in a day, guys. Thriving on indignation & disagreement is a great boost for a weak ego, but that's about it.

Meanwhile, Pizzagate is now getting called an "Alt-Nazi Conspiracy Theory," and as far as I can tell this is the principal objection people have to it, and the primary non-argument they present against it. Frikkin' brilliant! And effective. Pizzagate has been debunked as a right-wing fake news c-theory because it's based on wild speculations and made up shit, and it's been debunked as being based on wild speculations and made up shit because, yep, it's a right-wing fake news c-theory! I guess Joe is right: Nothing to see here but poisons in a well.

Yet despite this, from what I can tell, there are plenty of researchers taking Pizzagate seriously (Chris Knowles, Gordon White) who are generally respected and who are not known to have any sympathies for right-wing philosophies or agendas, or for rank gullibility, either. & let's not forget the fact that all of the "circumstantial" evidence that has come up around Comet Pizza and James Alefantis is the result of Wikileaks emails (confirmed as real). That this was probably intentional on the part of whoever leaked them, & that those same people could have followed up by seeding the Internet with early leads, via 4chan, reddit, etc, seems fairly obvious once stated, but it's worth stating anyway since it gives a more credible context for that research, research which some people at RI are so eager to dismiss and deride.

So if the first line of defense is that the emails don't mean anything outside of people's projections, the second line of defense contradicts that, being that their meaning is deliberately contrived as subtle propaganda to influence the election, etc. So if people here want to argue that Pizzagate is all a right-wing (or Russian, or whoever the fuck) plot to trick serious researchers into poisoning the well and blackening the names of the Clintons & the Podestas and other spotless Democrats, then where's their evidence? They can't just keep bleeting on about how there's no evidence for Pizzagate while ignoring the evidence being presented. That's not research; it's not even discussion; it's punditry.

I saw today that the blogger annirlfan is covering Pizzagate with the POV (as far as I can tell, I only skimmed it) that the whole thing was created by Trump supporters to distract from Trump's involvement in child trafficking and smear his competition. See here: http://aanirfan.blogspot.ca/2016/11/piz ... mails.html OK, at least they aren't just dismissing the evidence.

People at RI should like it anyway, since it might help confirm the fond illusion:

For instance, you see paedophilia as symptomatic of Republicans, correctly enough

Lastly, another bit of "non-evidence" (this one I found via Red Ice radio and then Alex Jones, so of course it's part of the alt-right plot so there's nothing to worry about):

On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Tamera Luzzatto <tluzzatto@pewtrusts.org>
> wrote:
>
> With enormous gratitude to Advance Man Extraordinaire Haber, I am popping
> up again to share our excitement about the Reprise of Our Gang’s visit to
> the farm in Lovettsville. And I thought I’d share a couple more notes:
> We plan to heat the pool, so a swim is a possibility. Bonnie will be
> Uber Service to transport Ruby, Emerson, and Maeve Luzzatto (11, 9, and
> almost 7) so you’ll have some further entertainment, and they will be in
> that pool for sure. And with the forecast showing prospects of some sun,
> and a cooler temp of lower 60s, I suggest you bring sweaters of whatever
> attire will enable us to use our outdoor table with a pergola overhead so
> we dine al fresco (and ideally not al-CHILLo).
>
>
>
> I am ccing Trudy to repeat the invite, and sending pining
> wishes-you-could-come to Rima, John P, and Laurie & Chris.
>
>
>
> Con amore, Mrs. Farmer L
>
>

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/49435

Having shared that, I can confidently sit back and wait for the scornful remarks about how this is just a mom talking abut her kids & using jokey language, or whatever. What I can also be confident about is that no one will follow it up or try to find out a bit more about the context, the players involved, and ascertain if there might be anything sinister about this, or not. That's clearly not what RI is about, if it ever was.

Hell, if Jerky is a team player, I just wound up at the wrong party without the password.





I think that means it's time for me to leave, this thread at least. Been nice knowing ... some of you.

Guru, please don't leave! I look forward to your posts as I always gain some insight. You know more about this issue, or, at least, are more articulate then anyone I've ever come across. You know the more push back you get, the better, because it, more than likely, means that you've hit a nerve. Remember, it's not just RI members who read what you have to say....it's thousands and thousands of people, perhaps millions, who are searching for the truth.

Every piece of circumstantial evidence, "the basement", for instance, taken in and of itself, doesn't prove a thing, but add that piece to a mountain of circumstantial evidence that points in one direction, then it cannot be ignored. Yet, authorities--and even RI members-- are doing just that: completely ignoring the mountain that's right in front of their eyes! They refuse to connect the dots and mock those who do. I expect that from the officials because that's what officialdom does--isn't that why this board exists?--but not from intelligent RI members. Then again, despite the elevated IQ at RI, most here are still indoctrinated into the false right-left paradigm that blinds them to the truth.

All things are subject to interpretation whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth.

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Yeah Gururilla please stick around. Just put Jerky on ignore (like I did) and please continue.

This thing is EXTTEMELY interesting and we need all the help we can get.