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Belligerent Savant » 01 Feb 2022 10:30 wrote:.
There's at least 1 person in here that continues to hold firm to the canard that lockdowns were beneficial. Or however he currently chooses to frame it.Johns Hopkins, January 2022: “While lockdowns have had little to no public health effects, they have imposed enormous economic and social costs where they have been adopted. [They] are ill-founded and should be rejected as a pandemic policy instrument.”
https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/files ... tality.pdf
Belligerent Savant » 02 Feb 2022 04:32 wrote:REFUSE/RESIST.Remaining protesters say they will not leave Ottawa until all COVID restrictions are lifted
Nathan (Jacko) Jack, an Australian living in Toronto, waves flags in front of trucks that are parked in front of Parliament Hill as a rally against COVID-19 restrictions, which began as a cross-country convoy protesting a federal vaccine mandate for truckers, continues in Ottawa, on Monday, January 31, 2022. THE CANADIAN PRESS/ Patrick Doyle
OTTAWA -- Crowds have thinned out considerably on Parliament Hill and the surrounding area, where anti-COVID restrictions demonstrators have been protesting for days.
But those that remain say they are staying put until all the restrictions are lifted, with the president of the Ottawa Gatineau Hotel Association saying some protesters have been extending their stays at hotels, or are asking to rebook for the coming weekend.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said yesterday he will not meet with anyone involved, noting reports that some participants have been seen harassing local businesses, waving Nazi flags, defecating on residential lawns, urinating on National War Memorial and stealing food from the homeless.
The Ottawa Paramedic Association reported that paramedics asked for police escorts after rocks were hurled at an ambulance from a truck in the convoy.
But Conservative Deputy Leader Candice Bergen said Trudeau was “gaslighting” the protesters, who deserve the chance to be heard and be given some respect.
She said the protesters she met with from her home province of Manitoba on Sunday are “good people, patriotic, peace-loving.”
Canada Unity, the group behind the convoy, originated during the 2019 pro-pipeline convoy to Ottawa but morphed into an anti-COVID restrictions protest after the pandemic began.
The vaccine mandate for truckers that took effect on both sides of the Canada-U.S. border earlier this month added more fire to the demands and helped trigger the bigger convoy that descended on Ottawa in the last week.
https://www.cp24.com/news/remaining-pro ... -1.5762501
stickdog99 » 03 Feb 2022 13:25 wrote:
Among those under 80 years old, that 64 deaths from/with COVID-19 among the vaccinated compared to just 11 among the unvaccinated.
source: https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectiou ... 220201.pdf
Joe Hillshoist » 03 Feb 2022 06:31 wrote:stickdog99 » 03 Feb 2022 13:25 wrote:
Among those under 80 years old, that 64 deaths from/with COVID-19 among the vaccinated compared to just 11 among the unvaccinated.
source: https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectiou ... 220201.pdf
Do you know anything about maths?
What about the number of the population with vaccinations?
Joe Hillshoist » 03 Feb 2022 09:34 wrote:You mean that bureaucratic try hard attempt to put some sort of number value on human life?
I dunno exactly how many people are vaccinated. But why would the official figures lie? I also know people who give vaccinations. Its their job, they do 30 to 50 a day at one of thousands of sites in NSW.. They've been working flat out for six months. Well they were. People don't seem as keen to get boosted (and why would you?) Now they are talking about making it mandatory.
Anyway...
Even the graphs you put up there show that pre Omicron vaccination was effective in preventing infection and very effective at preventing hospitalisation/death.
I don't understand why you refuse to accept Omicron is significantly different and changes things?
Its following an old evolutionary pathway that started developing long before our ancestors became human.
stickdog99 » Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:51 am wrote:https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1050721/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-4.pdf
Joe Hillshoist » Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:34 am wrote:But why would the official figures lie?
stickdog99 » 03 Feb 2022 19:57 wrote:
The bottom line is that after 10 billion vaccines, case rates are the highest that they have ever been and all cause mortality among the young is also at the highest that it has ever been in almost every highly vaccinated nation.
Yes, COVID-19 death rates are down slightly, but that is to be expected in the second year of a respiratory pandemic without or without vaccines due to better treatment regimes (that have been unconscionably suppressed just to promote vaccine uptake), huge swaths of the population gaining natural immunity, and expected viral evolution to less virulent strains. Natural immunity is far better than vaccine immunity against a wide variety of variants.
The current vaccines instruct your cells to create a toxic spike protein to generate a specific immune response to something that effectively doesn't even exist anymore in the wild.
The only "argument' that vaccine zealots like you have to fall back on at this point is "But, but, trust us, it would have been far, far worse!"
Sorry, but it getting hard to trust you at this point since everything you have promised to date has turned out to be false other than the unfalsifiable claim that "it would have been far, far worse."
Of course, I admit that omicron is different, so different that all previous public health rationales for vaccine mandates that should have been opposed on principle have now been completely obliterated.
Joe Hillshoist » Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:29 am wrote:Belligerent Savant » 01 Feb 2022 10:30 wrote:.
There's at least 1 person in here that continues to hold firm to the canard that lockdowns were beneficial. Or however he currently chooses to frame it.Johns Hopkins, January 2022: “While lockdowns have had little to no public health effects, they have imposed enormous economic and social costs where they have been adopted. [They] are ill-founded and should be rejected as a pandemic policy instrument.”
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https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/files ... tality.pdf
Cannard my arse. Where I lived they worked. Stickdog even posted a graph illustrating exactly that they worked, even tho he didn't realise it at the time.
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