Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

[Joe Hillshoist]

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There's at least 1 person in here that continues to hold firm to the canard that lockdowns were beneficial. Or however he currently chooses to frame it.

Johns Hopkins, January 2022: “While lockdowns have had little to no public health effects, they have imposed enormous economic and social costs where they have been adopted. [They] are ill-founded and should be rejected as a pandemic policy instrument.”

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https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/files ... tality.pdf

Cannard my arse. Where I lived they worked. Stickdog even posted a graph illustrating exactly that they worked, even tho he didn't realise it at the time.

Ha - good to see you were game for a bit of ribbing.

Lockdowns may well have worked, for a period of time.

But as with most things, on a long enough timeline efficacy (along with cost vs benefit) will wane and/or turn negative, especially when social constructs are heavily altered.

I'm always game for good-natured shit stirring. (That doesn't include being called a zealot or a cop lover tho.)

I've said this before but honestly ... were lockdowns worth it? I dunno its not as simple as yes or no.

Firstly did you see how clean the world looked in those early months of 2020. How weird it was out here not seeing planes in the sky, especially at night. People seeing the Himalayas from Kashmir for the first time in 30 or 40 years. Seismic noise decreasing because of the lack of road traffic. Aquatic life coming back to Venice.

When our economy stopped the rest of the world, the non human bit, started recovering. So I'll bet Earth (Gaia whatever) - our home - thought it was worth it.

Anyway...

In Australia we were able to control entry into the country. If we'd done a better job we wouldn't have had an outbreak. But as it was we still controlled outbreaks and prevented death. There were lots of short lockdowns outside of Melbourne.

The Sydney one failed when the Delta outbreak started but .... Sydney has some real class divisions, especially geographically. The East and The North are full of toffs.

Anyway when Delta started the "lockdown" in Sydney's east and north included leaving Gucci and David Jones stores open because they were "essential" but when it spread to the poorer south-western areas they sent the cops and at one point I think they sent the army in to curtail movement. By then it was too late, if they'd locked down properly early when the outbreak was in the eastern and northern suburbs then it might have been stopped. And by properly I just mean don't leave the fucken Gucci shop oipen. We don't need to buy handbags and crap.

By September in Melbourne people were ignoring the lockdown unless they wanted to follow it and except in rare case cops weren't enforcing it. This was when all that stuff about started coming out about Melbourne and the police state.

So ... I doubt another lockdown would have worked, although in Melbourne now there seems to be a voluntary one while this Omicron outbreak happens. Butr that's not everyone obviously. Most people had had enough and its not like the people running the show were pulling their weight or even being competent most of the time.

I agree with the bolded. But it was never meant to be a permanent thing. We talk about the Melbourne lockdowns as if they were the only thing but shorter ones associated with small outbreaks in alot of other places stopped the outbreaks and didn't impose the same levels of social stress.

So I still think they work but have limits and only work within those limits.

[Joe Hillshoist]

But why would the official figures lie?

It isn't necessary to ask why official figures would lie (as if the figures have some kind of agency). It is only necessary to look for evidence of lies. If official figures are lies, any systematic corruption will probably stick out like a sore thumb. Don't you think?

I completely agree but its hard to see that evidence. Also why would someone use those official stats to make an argument then, when they are shown to be wrong, say they are lies?

[Joe Hillshoist]

LOL that I can't do math because I try to cast a critical eye on totally cooked official statistics purporting to show the amazing benefits of shitty, leaky, experimental gene therapies that lose 95%+ of their efficacy in roughly 12 weeks and that appear to have negative efficacy against the transmission of omicron.

If its all bullshit stop using numbers to make your point.

Every single statistic produced is already inherently skewed in the direction of these shitty, leaky vaccines. The numerator is always skewed toward vaccines because of the definition that you are not "officially vaccinated" until two weeks after you get each of these shots and boosters.

You know how vaccines work yeah so why are you pretending they work immediately? Everyone should know by now the two weeks refers to how long it takes to assume the vaccine has generated a proper immune response. You can't assume a vaccine is working one week after the full dose because you don't know how fast the person's immune system has responded or how effective it is.

But in terms of adverse effects and injuries then they should obviously be measured from the date of the dose.

And the denominator is always overestimated for vaccinated populations because current and not historically accurate estimates are made for both the vaccinated and unvaccinated populations and because every locale has every reason to overestimate its own rate of vaccination in any case.

You can prove this happened in NSW then?

Finally, the unvaccinated population includes the most indigent, linguistically challenged, deathbed ridden, and hospital and doctor fearing individuals in any society. So of course we would expect some death associated with COVID-19 in this population anytime COVID-19 is prevalent. The fact that last week in NSW there were just 11 deaths associated with that entire population under 80 (compared to 64 fully vaccinated) simply cannot be presented as evidence of these vaccine's efficacy, even assuming that these vaccines were as harmless to people as the placebos they now appear to be in terms of their effectiveness.

So 11 deaths in 4.5% of the population and 64 deaths in 95.5% of the population can't be presented as evidence of vaccination lowering risk of death? The rate of death is about four times higher in the unvaccinated population.

[PufPuf93]

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Probably one of the most accurate and succinct takes on covid:

If only we could have seen the pandemic as something to be endured, survived, mitigated – rather than controlled or ended through our interventions – then we could have been in a much better place.

- Mark, in the comments section, here:
http://www.luterra.com/blog/?p=1390

That is accurate only in hindsight.

Other public health issues like polio and AIDS have been addressed in a socially coherent manner

AIDS is somewhat like covid as it was politicized to a degree (Gay disease) and by parties that largely overlap those that politicized covid.

Track and trace and stop the outbreaks had to be tried and failed.

My hindsight says that covid was going to spread and that effort would fail.

But having a POTUS claim covid was a hoax was unconscionable.

Mark's comments in general looks to me that he has taken a similar "investigative" path as you and wrote a nice summary.

EDIT, as it seems I misinterpreted some of your commentary.

Here's what I initially typed:

Sorry, Puf - this is a coronavirus, this is nothing like Polio. Polio vaccines are sterilizing. Covid "vaccines" clearly are NOT sterilizing (they also don't prevent spread/contagion and have FAR more reported side effects than the polio vaccine; indeed the side effect tally for these mRNA products far surpassed the AE tallies of all historical vaccines, and it accomplished this within a year of deployment). Covid also has animal reservoirs, and as a coronavirus, will NOT be "ended" with vaccines.

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Additional comment, edited in after the initial post:

I'd add to the above that polio is a poor comparison to covid for the reasons outlined above. I'd further argue that covid, the 'pandemic' and all related govt/media messaging was all part of a multi-pronged agenda using a "public health issue" as cover to impose draconian subjugations and paradigm shifts in social orders/previously accepted 'norms' (as part of a 4th industrial revolution, in shorthand); If I understand your own comments here, I believe you seem to believe one of the agendas involve a depopulation program of some sort (ostensibly to offset natural resource depletion, etc.). Regardless, it's clear by now this crisis was implemented to achieve large-scale objectives, and the well-being of citizens, globally, was never a consideration, other than its use as a tool to impose fear and compliance.

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AIDS? Surely you jest. What was socially coherent about how AIDS was handled? You still trust Fauci much more than you should.

You offer no substance here other than broad stroke commentary (and even weaker attempts to criticize 'investigative paths') as if we're all still working with data points from May 2020.

It's now 2022.

We know far more know about what this virus is, and what it isn't, and also just how lethal it actually is -- even the "experts" that so many relied on back in 2020 have backpedaled on a number of prior proclamations Re: masks, lockdowns, social distancing, etc. What, precisely, have you offered here as far as substantive investigative reporting? What, precisely, is your position?

Time to dig a bit deeper. Or not, but please don't expect to be taken seriously here with drive-by commentary like your offering above.

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Also: you reference "hindsight" above. This is a misrepresentation. As this very thread demonstrates, a number of us here have been questioning and/or calling out the lies and potential for ulterior motive as far back as 2020, while many others at the time were still fully subscribing to many of the dominant narratives (in no small part because the narratives were supported by historically "liberal/leftist" institutions/publications).

YOU, and others, have fallen prey to these lies. Based on some recent commentary here over the last few days, it seems you continue to subscribe to some of the partisan tropes meant only to perpetuate division.

But having a POTUS claim covid was a hoax was unconscionable.

There have been many truly unconscionable acts perpetrated on The People since 2020. Trump calling covid a hoax is at the bottom of that list, if it exists on any list at all. This statement by Trump had zero lasting impact on subsequent developments, demonstrably, and only served to stoke the fury of the demographic he was targeting: those of your ilk.

He is an uber troll (a good one at that), and you -- along with so many others -- continue to be suffering from lingering effects of Trump Derangement Syndrome, in 2022, while so many more egregious crimes against humanity have been committed (none of which influenced by the words or actions of Orange Man Bad).

This is tragic, and borderline despicable at this point.

Had a long draft reply that sat on pc all day and decided to preview and hit submit by accident and ended losing the whole thing. oops.

I am dying. Have non-hodgkin's lymphoma. Major chemo was in 2018. Also have had 2 other unrelated cancer surgeries since then plus borderline kidney failure (product of nhl), diabetes II, high blood pressure, have had a stroke, the effects come and go on left side face to toes, etc. Was given 30% chance of 5 year survival and in year 5. The pandemic was nice because it took me off a medical merry-go-round, all time and resources went to going too medical stuff and the rest of time was resting for more. Turned out some of the effects I thought was dying or side effects from Moderna turned out to be I was massively over medicated for diabetes II, 12 units a day of insulin and four 10mg glypizide and went into hypoglycemic convulsions. Spent 6 days in hospital. This was August. At the moment have no doctors I trust. The oncologist that I have not seen in person since before the shutdown retired recently. The medical campus in Eureka has changed names and has become disorganized.

This is to explain why more intuitive than rigorous not an excuse

About polio and AIDS, was referring solely to the social response. Think I got three polio vaccines: at school, at family doctor, and at the market they were giving kids sugar cubes in the parking lot while mother shopped. AIDS social response started slow and divisive but over time the situation has gotten much better. The thought of Fauci never crossed my mind today until read in your post.

The problem with corona viruses is how they mutate.

Do not think there is a massive program but every time there is a crisis (and some are induced) there are people that see opportunity, think disaster capitalism. Population is going to decrease because of planet ecology one way or another, humans have some say in how this happens. Much is coming to tipping points. The hubris of the USA in a global sense is leading to blowback too.

About Trump. I am sure that I have said on more than one occasion that I consider Trump more a symptom than the cause however vile he may be. Wish he would go away. Think he should be prosecuted but he won't.

You do not have a clue about my ilk.

Got distracted and after midnight and have a doctor's appointment at IHS at 8:30 AM with a doc think is well meaning but incompetent.

[PufPuf93]

LOL that I can't do math because I try to cast a critical eye on totally cooked official statistics purporting to show the amazing benefits of shitty, leaky, experimental gene therapies that lose 95%+ of their efficacy in roughly 12 weeks and that appear to have negative efficacy against the transmission of omicron.

Every single statistic produced is already inherently skewed in the direction of these shitty, leaky vaccines. The numerator is always skewed toward vaccines because of the definition that you are not "officially vaccinated" until two weeks after you get each of these shots and boosters.

And the denominator is always overestimated for vaccinated populations because current and not historically accurate estimates are made for both the vaccinated and unvaccinated populations and because every locale has every reason to overestimate its own rate of vaccination in any case.

Finally, the unvaccinated population includes the most indigent, linguistically challenged, deathbed ridden, and hospital and doctor fearing individuals in any society. Of course we would expect some death associated with COVID-19 in this population anytime COVID-19 is prevalent. The fact that last week in NSW there were just 11 deaths associated with that entire population under 80 (compared to 64 fully vaccinated) simply cannot be presented as evidence of these vaccine's efficacy, even assuming that these vaccines were as harmless to people as the placebos they now appear to be in terms of their effectiveness.

Why do you laugh? Has nothing about the virus. You looked at a graph (may have been cooked numbers but so what? numbers on a graph) and assessed the graph with zero competence (you could have interpreted the graph in 2 ways and chose the wrong method and your conclusion would be confusing or look really stupid to others that do math as they are backward.

The problem with corona virus is how it mutates. Looks like it will be with us. No one knows what herd immunity or endemic looks like.

[stickdog99]

Wow. Best of luck with your cognitive dissonance.

Must defend clearly failing gene therapies at all costs!

It's all my fault! My conclusions are all wrong! I did this to you!

https://nitter.net/JeffWellsRigInt/stat ... 84925697#m

[stickdog99]

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/321674

'80% of serious COVID cases are fully vaccinated' says Ichilov hospital director

Vaccine has "no significance regarding severe illness," says Prof. Yaakov Jerris.

[drstrangelove]

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/321674

'80% of serious COVID cases are fully vaccinated' says Ichilov hospital director

Vaccine has "no significance regarding severe illness," says Prof. Yaakov Jerris.

Israel deaths are now higher than ever.

[stickdog99]

[stickdog99]

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/321674

'80% of serious COVID cases are fully vaccinated' says Ichilov hospital director

Vaccine has "no significance regarding severe illness," says Prof. Yaakov Jerris.

Israel deaths are now higher than ever.

Now higher than even the USA, despite all of their 4th boosters.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... ly-trends/

Israel: 49 deaths per million over the last 7 days

USA: 47 deaths per million over the last 7 days

[stickdog99]

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/59-year-old ... ted-corona

[PufPuf93]

Wow. Best of luck with your cognitive dissonance.

Must defend clearly failing gene therapies at all costs!

It's all my fault! My conclusions are all wrong! I did this to you!

https://nitter.net/JeffWellsRigInt/stat ... 84925697#m

Are you replying to me?

If so, tell me what you mean.

[Belligerent Savant]

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/321674

'80% of serious COVID cases are fully vaccinated' says Ichilov hospital director

Vaccine has "no significance regarding severe illness," says Prof. Yaakov Jerris.

Israel deaths are now higher than ever.

Now higher than even the USA, despite all of their 4th boosters.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... ly-trends/

Israel: 49 deaths per million over the last 7 days

USA: 47 deaths per million over the last 7 days

This does not bode well if trends continue. The earnings reports in the next ~2 weeks (for insurance companies and publicly-traded funeral homes) will be revealing.

Not all metrics can be shielded from exposure.

Four weeks ago, OneAmerica insurance company CEO Scott Davison revealed that they had witnessed 'the highest death rates in the history of this business - not just at OneAmerica' with a jump of '40% over what they were pre-pandemic.' Interestingly, Davison noted that the majority of deaths are not classified as due to Covid-19.

The implication to many was clear - that the Covid-19 vaccine is linked to the excess mortality, and months of vaccine injury reports were now spilling over to actuarial data - which is beginning to show, among other things, that younger, working-age people began dying in greater numbers as vaccine mandates hit - for a disease which primarily kills older, non-working age individuals. The counter argument, often presented without evidence, is that the increase is due to people who postponed elective surgeries and other medical treatments during the pandemic.

Ex-Blackrock fund manager Ed Dowd is in the former camp, and has spent the last month analyzing breadcrumbs associated with a rise in excess mortality vs. pre-pandemic levels. Given that we're now in the middle of earnings season, there are some pretty big crumbs rolling out of the insurance and funeral services industries which are beginning to paint a disturbing picture.

A few key observations:

- Mortality worsened in 2021 vs. 2020 despite widespread vaccinations

- A spike in Mortality among younger, working-age individuals coincided with vaccine mandates

The spike in younger deaths peaked in Q3 2021 when Covid deaths were extremely low (but rising into the end of September).

On Tuesday, financial insurance company Unum reported that their Life segment saw an increase of 9% in their ratio of payouts vs. premiums (Benefit ratio), a 17.4% increase in 2021 vs. 2020 despite widespread vaccinations, and a 13.3% increase over 2019.

On Wednesday, Dowd noted that funeral home company Carriage Services saw a 28% increase in September 2021 vs. 2020, and a 13% increase in August vs. the same period. Funerals and cremations are up 12% and 13% respectively on the quarter.

In general, funeral homes saw an uptick in business in Q3, and Dowd will be closely monitoring Q4 reports which are expected around Feb. 15 - less than two weeks away.

Dowd also noted on Wednesday that Lincoln National's death claims are up 13.7% y/y, and up 57% in Q4 vs. 2019. CFO Randy Frietag explained on Thursday that in 2021, the share of young people dying from Covid doubled in the second half of the year.

Meanwhile, Reinsurance Group of America noted in their Thursday earnings call that Q4 was impacted by a meaningful level of Covid-19 mortality claims despite the fact that the Covid-19 vaccines have been around for more than a year.

Also noting a spike in younger deaths which peaked in Q3 2021, is Hardford Insurance Group, which reported that mortality is up 32% from 2019 pre-covid levels, and 20% from 2020 pre-vaccine levels.

Some key questions for the insurance companies:

What are the leading causes of death for 2020 and 2021?
How many of those who died were vaccinated vs. unvaccinated?

Reinsurance Group of America, for example, reported a profit in Q4 2020 when the most of the population was unvaccinated and amid a deadlier strain of Covid-19, yet they registered a loss in Q4 2021 with more than 60% of the country fully vaccinated (and around 75% who have received at least one dose).

Perhaps this is why Pfizer is now actively fighting to suppress research data submitted to the FDA for approval - while the pharmaceutical giant and its peers continue to enjoy legal immunity from vaccine injuries.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/long ... disturbing

[alloneword]

Some interesting graphs (not mine) generated from the UKHSA wk5 data. Although this data no longer includes figures for those who received '2 doses' (can't imagine why), it is still possible to calculate:











A full explanation is in the original article.

[stickdog99]

When reading the stats that (GASP!) 11 unvaccinated people under 80 died of/with COVID-19 in NSW last week and doing the math to try to that this somehow shows that mRNA vaccines confer protection against COVID-19, it is sometimes easy to dismiss the fact that each of people were individuals with their own individual reasons having not been vaccinated despite all the incessant 24-7 propaganda constantly screaming at them to do so or else.

A Closer Look at the Individual Unvaccinated Pregnant Woman in UK Who Died of COVID-19

As a pregnant woman, I have been following advice and studies that concern this group closely. Unfortunately, it is becoming increasingly difficult to find any balanced information amongst the blatant propaganda. I am so sick of being told at every turn that ICU is full of unvaccinated pregnant women. Below is an example of the stuff that gets shared online by my local maternity team.



So I thought I would look at what stats MBRRACE had released lately. They have two reports that caught my eye in particular: one on maternal Covid deaths March-May 2020 (10 women) and another covering the period June 2020-March 2021 (17 women).

Despite being such a small group of people, I feel that each case is a fascinating story that paints a dramatically different picture to that portrayed by the media and the NHS. Here are some points that stood out to me from each report:

March-May 2020 (10 deaths)

None of the women who died received any actual treatment, just support.
Three of the ten women died because they were too scared to go to hospital.
Four women died of suicide and not being able to access help was a factor (I don’t think they were included in the ten deaths, but the insinuation is that Covid restrictions contributed to their deaths).
Two women were murdered by their partners, with health services already knowing they were at risk (again, I don’t think they were included in the ten, but the insinuation about restrictions is there again).
The quote “pregnancy [sic] and postpartum women do not appear to be at higher risk of severe COVID-19 than non-pregnant women” seems telling.
Only two women were classified as having received “good care”.

June 2020-March 2021 (17 deaths)

Three women did not even have Covid but died as a result of the side effects of restrictions.
Four women tested positive but died of unrelated causes – two of these women received poor care because of their Covid status.
60% of the women who actually died from Covid were obese and a further 20% were overweight.
50% had pre-existing mental health conditions (personally I believe that this both prevents women from being able to speak up for themselves and creates a stigma that they are ‘difficult patients’).
One woman died at home of a urinary tract infection because no translator was available for her telephone appointment.
Four women died because they were too scared to go to hospital – one of these women sought no antenatal care at all and died after giving birth at home.
One woman died after being given painkillers for backache – she was only seen remotely by a GP so he or she couldn’t see she was both heavily pregnant and had sepsis.
Another woman died of sepsis from a miscarriage because doctors assumed she just had (asymptomatic) Covid.
A woman died of obvious kidney/liver problems shortly after birth because again, doctors bizarrely assumed she was actually suffering from Covid following a positive routine test.
90% of the women who died had “care” that was not managed by the RCOG guidelines.
One woman was not given treatment despite poor clinical indications, as she did not “look sick”.
Three women who were very poorly and were considered for ECMO were denied this despite not having any contraindications.
One woman died from a pulmonary embolism at home after her GP’s online triage system did not recognise either her Covid status or recent pregnancy as risk factors and didn’t give her an urgent appointment.
Only 10% of the women received “good care”, and in 70% improvements in care may have meant they survived.
The reports are heartbreaking and I do not wish to diminish the pain that these women’s families must be suffering, but it is abundantly clear that very few of these women died from actual Covid – many appear to be victims of the restrictions and fear – and the handful that did had significant confounding factors.

So what percentage of "unvaccinated COVID-19 deaths" do you think fit the descriptions above? Poor medical care bordering on malpractice, iatrophobia, mental disorders, linguistic barriers, significant health co-factors, bad diagnoses, destructive medical interventions, etc.?.